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		By: IGotBupkis, Purveyor of Fine Cynicism Since 1960		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/08/30/lies-of-the-morning-after/#comment-410012</link>

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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;My guess is that many of them are still not paying all that much attention, but what do I know? What does grab them politically is a puzzlement to me; how can anyone still be undecided? &lt;/i&gt;

Not sure how the previous one just up and decided to submit itself....

I am an &quot;independent&quot; -- I&#039;m not wedded to either party, though I lean certain ways, mostly those of the small-L libertarian -- I have a lot in common with the tea partiers... But I tend towards pro-choice in the most ways... I think the current models seem to be about right in terms of non-religious views and concepts of what should constitute &quot;human life&quot;, and I don&#039;t believe that religious justifications for The Law can or should be the sole basis for The Law. Though I consider myself a staunch conservative, I&#039;m in the same camp as &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0060665/quotes?qt0429616&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Sir Thomas More&lt;/a&gt;:
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William Roper: So, now you give the Devil the benefit of law!
Sir Thomas More: Yes! What would you do? Cut a great road through the law to get after the Devil?
William Roper: Yes, I&#039;d cut down every law in England to do that!
Sir Thomas More: Oh? And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned &#039;round on you, where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? This country is planted thick with laws, from coast to coast, Man&#039;s laws, not God&#039;s! And if you cut them down, and you&#039;re just the man to do it, do you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then? Yes, I&#039;d give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safety&#039;s sake! 

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While religion can influence the law, it should never be the sole basis for any laws.

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But at the moment, I certainly am not &quot;undecided&quot; -- I wasn&#039;t undecided even BEFORE The One got elected. I believed he -- and the democrats in general -- are a grave danger to this nation. So I tend to vote conservative... but that&#039;s never a guarantee. If there was a local democrat I believed more of a &quot;DINO&quot; to steal a term, then I might readily vote for him over a RINO. To ally yourself without flexibility to either camp is to let them be complacent, and that&#039;s how we got into this mess in the first place, as we tolerated the GOP violating everything it said it would do in the Contract With America.

And unfortunately, by drifting further and further off into Left Field, to the point where Ralph Nader was a radical conservative to them, it was almost impossible to justify voting against the GOP.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>My guess is that many of them are still not paying all that much attention, but what do I know? What does grab them politically is a puzzlement to me; how can anyone still be undecided? </i></p>
<p>Not sure how the previous one just up and decided to submit itself&#8230;.</p>
<p>I am an &#8220;independent&#8221; &#8212; I&#8217;m not wedded to either party, though I lean certain ways, mostly those of the small-L libertarian &#8212; I have a lot in common with the tea partiers&#8230; But I tend towards pro-choice in the most ways&#8230; I think the current models seem to be about right in terms of non-religious views and concepts of what should constitute &#8220;human life&#8221;, and I don&#8217;t believe that religious justifications for The Law can or should be the sole basis for The Law. Though I consider myself a staunch conservative, I&#8217;m in the same camp as <a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0060665/quotes?qt0429616" rel="nofollow">Sir Thomas More</a>:<br />
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William Roper: So, now you give the Devil the benefit of law!<br />
Sir Thomas More: Yes! What would you do? Cut a great road through the law to get after the Devil?<br />
William Roper: Yes, I&#8217;d cut down every law in England to do that!<br />
Sir Thomas More: Oh? And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned &#8217;round on you, where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? This country is planted thick with laws, from coast to coast, Man&#8217;s laws, not God&#8217;s! And if you cut them down, and you&#8217;re just the man to do it, do you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then? Yes, I&#8217;d give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safety&#8217;s sake! </p>
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<p>While religion can influence the law, it should never be the sole basis for any laws.</p>
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<p>But at the moment, I certainly am not &#8220;undecided&#8221; &#8212; I wasn&#8217;t undecided even BEFORE The One got elected. I believed he &#8212; and the democrats in general &#8212; are a grave danger to this nation. So I tend to vote conservative&#8230; but that&#8217;s never a guarantee. If there was a local democrat I believed more of a &#8220;DINO&#8221; to steal a term, then I might readily vote for him over a RINO. To ally yourself without flexibility to either camp is to let them be complacent, and that&#8217;s how we got into this mess in the first place, as we tolerated the GOP violating everything it said it would do in the Contract With America.</p>
<p>And unfortunately, by drifting further and further off into Left Field, to the point where Ralph Nader was a radical conservative to them, it was almost impossible to justify voting against the GOP.</p>
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		By: IGotBupkis, Purveyor of Fine Cynicism Since 1960		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/08/30/lies-of-the-morning-after/#comment-410004</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2012 21:37:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[My guess is that many of them are still not paying all that much attention, but what do I know? What does grab them politically is a puzzlement to me; how can anyone still be undecided?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My guess is that many of them are still not paying all that much attention, but what do I know? What does grab them politically is a puzzlement to me; how can anyone still be undecided?</p>
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		By: beverly		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/08/30/lies-of-the-morning-after/#comment-409758</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2012 08:03:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I wish I could be as sanguine. BUT they are going all out to &lt;b&gt;Palinize Ryan.&lt;/b&gt;

This, it seems, is going to be the Left&#039;s tactic from now on: make everyone who opposes their juggernaut into &quot;The Eternal Jew&quot; (see Goebbels et cie.).  The same unhinged hatred, the same barrage of demonstrable lies.

Can the tactic of &lt;i&gt;Kristallnacht&lt;/i&gt; be far behind? We like to think that it can&#039;t happen here, but I (and my parents even more so) cannot believe that our fellow countrymen would Ever, in a million years, have elected a Marxist, Muslim-raised, racist, America-hating piece of work like the dangerous man residing at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

When he was elected, my 82-year-old dad&#039;s remark was, &quot;I feel like I&#039;ve lost my country.&quot; And he wasn&#039;t, primarily, talking about Obozo. He even said a lot of people in his upper-middle-class suburb in Tennessee voted for the guy. White, Southern, mainstream Protestant, country club members: about half, he figured. 

THAT was the real scandal: how many Americans have &quot;lost the plot&quot; of what America is supposed to be!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish I could be as sanguine. BUT they are going all out to <b>Palinize Ryan.</b></p>
<p>This, it seems, is going to be the Left&#8217;s tactic from now on: make everyone who opposes their juggernaut into &#8220;The Eternal Jew&#8221; (see Goebbels et cie.).  The same unhinged hatred, the same barrage of demonstrable lies.</p>
<p>Can the tactic of <i>Kristallnacht</i> be far behind? We like to think that it can&#8217;t happen here, but I (and my parents even more so) cannot believe that our fellow countrymen would Ever, in a million years, have elected a Marxist, Muslim-raised, racist, America-hating piece of work like the dangerous man residing at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.</p>
<p>When he was elected, my 82-year-old dad&#8217;s remark was, &#8220;I feel like I&#8217;ve lost my country.&#8221; And he wasn&#8217;t, primarily, talking about Obozo. He even said a lot of people in his upper-middle-class suburb in Tennessee voted for the guy. White, Southern, mainstream Protestant, country club members: about half, he figured. </p>
<p>THAT was the real scandal: how many Americans have &#8220;lost the plot&#8221; of what America is supposed to be!</p>
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		By: Jenna		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/08/30/lies-of-the-morning-after/#comment-409386</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2012 16:14:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In his National Review article, &quot;Correcting Reality,&quot; Jonah Goldberg quotes Obama&#039;s 2008 statement to workers at the GM plant in Janesville as follows:
&quot;A lot of guys I went to high school with worked at that GM plant.&quot; 

So we are to understand that a lot of guys Obama went to high school with [in Hawaii] traveled all the way to Wisconsin to work in that Janesville GM plant back in the day?  Well, of course they did. No need for fact-checking there.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In his National Review article, &#8220;Correcting Reality,&#8221; Jonah Goldberg quotes Obama&#8217;s 2008 statement to workers at the GM plant in Janesville as follows:<br />
&#8220;A lot of guys I went to high school with worked at that GM plant.&#8221; </p>
<p>So we are to understand that a lot of guys Obama went to high school with [in Hawaii] traveled all the way to Wisconsin to work in that Janesville GM plant back in the day?  Well, of course they did. No need for fact-checking there.</p>
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		By: parker		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/08/30/lies-of-the-morning-after/#comment-408101</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2012 02:54:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Neo, Curtis. rickl, kolnai, Oldflyer, Artfldgr, foxmarks, and everyone else:

We are individuals. We do not agree 100%. We can agree to differ when it comes to certain issues, yet we all have core principals we refuse to sacrifice or set aside. Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Despite our differences we all recognize evil when we see, hear, and smell it. That is what makes us stronger than the leftists.  America is at the crossroad.  This is the last chance to begin (slowly and painfully) turning the ship of state away from the iceberg.

Hold fast.  Never give up.  If you find yourself on the ground, get up and stand on your own 2 feet. As a younger man I have been put down and come bak to win the bout.  Sensei taught me to never back down, to never accept defeat.  Fatigue, bruises, dislocated joints, and blood are nothing if victory is the goal.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neo, Curtis. rickl, kolnai, Oldflyer, Artfldgr, foxmarks, and everyone else:</p>
<p>We are individuals. We do not agree 100%. We can agree to differ when it comes to certain issues, yet we all have core principals we refuse to sacrifice or set aside. Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Despite our differences we all recognize evil when we see, hear, and smell it. That is what makes us stronger than the leftists.  America is at the crossroad.  This is the last chance to begin (slowly and painfully) turning the ship of state away from the iceberg.</p>
<p>Hold fast.  Never give up.  If you find yourself on the ground, get up and stand on your own 2 feet. As a younger man I have been put down and come bak to win the bout.  Sensei taught me to never back down, to never accept defeat.  Fatigue, bruises, dislocated joints, and blood are nothing if victory is the goal.</p>
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		By: bandit		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/08/30/lies-of-the-morning-after/#comment-407986</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2012 23:50:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Lefty circle jerk agrees that things they don&#039;t like are &#039;lies&#039;]]></description>
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		By: Curtis		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/08/30/lies-of-the-morning-after/#comment-407959</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2012 23:02:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;This is insidious, and it just shows the fear and desperation on the other side.&quot;  Col. Allen West

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2012/08/30/allen_west_chris_matthews_might_be_off_his_medication]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;This is insidious, and it just shows the fear and desperation on the other side.&#8221;  Col. Allen West</p>
<p><a href="http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2012/08/30/allen_west_chris_matthews_might_be_off_his_medication" rel="nofollow ugc">http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2012/08/30/allen_west_chris_matthews_might_be_off_his_medication</a></p>
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		By: Curtis		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2012 22:55:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I agree with Parker but also Oldflyer. I am feeling more confident day by day but the leftist hysteria grows.

The selection of Ryan has panned out gold despite the absolutely assured claims of the illiberal pundits. I am sensing confidence even in the Republican establishment which had to be dragged out of a &quot;senate only&quot; mind set. Against that quiet nerve bats the hysteria of the left; I do not know quite how to set its sound and fury to actual number. 

The question that will be answered this November is how many have drank hard of that Kool-Aid.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Parker but also Oldflyer. I am feeling more confident day by day but the leftist hysteria grows.</p>
<p>The selection of Ryan has panned out gold despite the absolutely assured claims of the illiberal pundits. I am sensing confidence even in the Republican establishment which had to be dragged out of a &#8220;senate only&#8221; mind set. Against that quiet nerve bats the hysteria of the left; I do not know quite how to set its sound and fury to actual number. </p>
<p>The question that will be answered this November is how many have drank hard of that Kool-Aid.</p>
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		By: parker		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2012 21:32:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The more vehement and deranged the attack rhetoric, they more frightened they appear.  The undecided are actually, as GP notes, not so undecided this time around. BHO reeks of corruption. Deception and desperation poison his rhetoric of racial and class warfare.  He is revealed as a Chicago machine man mistakenly given the keys to the Oval Office.  

I feel more confident day by day as we witness the cockroaches scuttle for darkness when the light is turned on.  R&#038;R by 3-7%. But R&#038;R had better realize they will be rejected in 2016 if they don&#039;t stop the deficits and dramatically reform social welfare programs. Ryan got one big thing totally correct: &quot;We don&#039;t have much time.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The more vehement and deranged the attack rhetoric, they more frightened they appear.  The undecided are actually, as GP notes, not so undecided this time around. BHO reeks of corruption. Deception and desperation poison his rhetoric of racial and class warfare.  He is revealed as a Chicago machine man mistakenly given the keys to the Oval Office.  </p>
<p>I feel more confident day by day as we witness the cockroaches scuttle for darkness when the light is turned on.  R&amp;R by 3-7%. But R&amp;R had better realize they will be rejected in 2016 if they don&#8217;t stop the deficits and dramatically reform social welfare programs. Ryan got one big thing totally correct: &#8220;We don&#8217;t have much time.&#8221;</p>
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		By: kaba		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/08/30/lies-of-the-morning-after/#comment-407891</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2012 20:41:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I love the smell of leftist fear in the morning. 

The best measure of the effectiveness of Ryan&#039;s speech are the measures the left uses to discredit the speech and demonize the speaker. 

I read the text of Ryan&#039;s speech this morning. Truly impressive in its&#039; simplicity and strength. Reagan would have approved.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love the smell of leftist fear in the morning. </p>
<p>The best measure of the effectiveness of Ryan&#8217;s speech are the measures the left uses to discredit the speech and demonize the speaker. </p>
<p>I read the text of Ryan&#8217;s speech this morning. Truly impressive in its&#8217; simplicity and strength. Reagan would have approved.</p>
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