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		By: baklava		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/08/29/another-night-with-ye-olde-gop/#comment-407996</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2012 00:14:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Older,
I visit legal insurrection and power line blogs. Both have multiple posts each day.

Done with the althouse. Done]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Older,<br />
I visit legal insurrection and power line blogs. Both have multiple posts each day.</p>
<p>Done with the althouse. Done</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/08/29/another-night-with-ye-olde-gop/#comment-407814</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2012 18:55:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[sheldan: I remember thinking, shortly before the 2008 election, that McCain was nominated back when it was thought that the biggest issue in November of 2008 would be security and terrorism, as well as the Iraq War, but it had turned out to be the economy, one of McCain&#039;s weakest areas.  And I also remember thinking that perhaps Romney (who I wasn&#039;t all that keen on at the time) would have been the better choice, in retrospect, because the economy would have been his strong suit.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sheldan: I remember thinking, shortly before the 2008 election, that McCain was nominated back when it was thought that the biggest issue in November of 2008 would be security and terrorism, as well as the Iraq War, but it had turned out to be the economy, one of McCain&#8217;s weakest areas.  And I also remember thinking that perhaps Romney (who I wasn&#8217;t all that keen on at the time) would have been the better choice, in retrospect, because the economy would have been his strong suit.</p>
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		By: sheldan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2012 18:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Here&#039;s an observation:

McCain being the wrong man in 2008 is far from unusual. There are a number of candidates who first ran for president years ago, and later were nominated when their chances of winning were not as good:

Republicans:

Bob Dole--ran in 1980 in the crowded field that included Reagan and George H.W. Bush.  Ran in 1988 against Bush.  Nominated in 1996 and went down to defeat to Clinton.

John McCain--probably would have been a better nominee had he gotten the 2000 nomination, but was up against George W. Bush.  He managed to win the nomination in 2008 despite being far behind others, but probably the events of 2008 doomed him, even against the least-experienced candidate in history.  Maybe fatigue with two GOP terms also contributed.

Newt Gingrich--I remember him as a Georgia U.S. representative in 1980 (when I briefly lived in Georgia).  Is he still here?!

Democrats:

Lloyd Benson--One of the candidates in a very crowded field in 1976.  Probably would have been a good president (incidentally, a conservative Democrat), but no doubt overshadowed by Carter, Udall, Jerry Brown, Ted Kennedy.  Nominated for Vice President with Dukakis in 1988.  (I am sure many of us thought it would have been better if the ticket were reversed.  I also remember former President Gerald Ford giving a speech at the 1988 GOP convention in which he said, &quot;Tell them, Lloyd&quot; about what the Democrats should really do given Bentsen&#039;s experience in the Senate.)

Ted Kennedy--A serious challenger to Carter in 1980 (despite all his baggage), by 1984 he was one of the pack.

Jesse Jackson--Used to be good, but apparently was not what we thought he was.  Had powerful backing throughout the 1980&#039;s, although his baggage became a problem.

Al Gore--probably at his best in 1988, but too crowded a field for him to win.  By 2000, after two terms as Clinton&#039;s vice president, we knew all too well about him and wanted no parts of his liberal plans.

Joe Biden--another candidate in 1988, he got into trouble over plagiarism.  I think he was one of the crowd in 2008.  Ended up as Obama&#039;s vice president.  Thinks he can get the 2016 nomination.  Will have been 28 years since his first serious attempt.  We know too much. 

This is not an original thought, but if you are a candidate who has been too much in the public eye over the years, the public isn&#039;t likely to nominate you now, and even if they do you probably won&#039;t be successful.

Specifically, if Hillary Clinton runs in 2016, she will have to realize that we have seen her in action for 24 years.  First, she was First Lady with Bill Clinton from 1993-2001, then she became a U.S. Senator a few years later (not without controversy), and she has served as Obama&#039;s Secretary of State (more controversy).

Like the candidates I described above, Hillary&#039;s best hope might have been in 2008, when she was the prohibitive favorite until Obama&#039;s candidacy did her in.  Isn&#039;t it possible that the reason these candidates were ultimately unsuccessful is due to the fact that they ran into opposition they could not overcome, and by the time they have a clear shot their opportuntity has passed?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s an observation:</p>
<p>McCain being the wrong man in 2008 is far from unusual. There are a number of candidates who first ran for president years ago, and later were nominated when their chances of winning were not as good:</p>
<p>Republicans:</p>
<p>Bob Dole&#8211;ran in 1980 in the crowded field that included Reagan and George H.W. Bush.  Ran in 1988 against Bush.  Nominated in 1996 and went down to defeat to Clinton.</p>
<p>John McCain&#8211;probably would have been a better nominee had he gotten the 2000 nomination, but was up against George W. Bush.  He managed to win the nomination in 2008 despite being far behind others, but probably the events of 2008 doomed him, even against the least-experienced candidate in history.  Maybe fatigue with two GOP terms also contributed.</p>
<p>Newt Gingrich&#8211;I remember him as a Georgia U.S. representative in 1980 (when I briefly lived in Georgia).  Is he still here?!</p>
<p>Democrats:</p>
<p>Lloyd Benson&#8211;One of the candidates in a very crowded field in 1976.  Probably would have been a good president (incidentally, a conservative Democrat), but no doubt overshadowed by Carter, Udall, Jerry Brown, Ted Kennedy.  Nominated for Vice President with Dukakis in 1988.  (I am sure many of us thought it would have been better if the ticket were reversed.  I also remember former President Gerald Ford giving a speech at the 1988 GOP convention in which he said, &#8220;Tell them, Lloyd&#8221; about what the Democrats should really do given Bentsen&#8217;s experience in the Senate.)</p>
<p>Ted Kennedy&#8211;A serious challenger to Carter in 1980 (despite all his baggage), by 1984 he was one of the pack.</p>
<p>Jesse Jackson&#8211;Used to be good, but apparently was not what we thought he was.  Had powerful backing throughout the 1980&#8217;s, although his baggage became a problem.</p>
<p>Al Gore&#8211;probably at his best in 1988, but too crowded a field for him to win.  By 2000, after two terms as Clinton&#8217;s vice president, we knew all too well about him and wanted no parts of his liberal plans.</p>
<p>Joe Biden&#8211;another candidate in 1988, he got into trouble over plagiarism.  I think he was one of the crowd in 2008.  Ended up as Obama&#8217;s vice president.  Thinks he can get the 2016 nomination.  Will have been 28 years since his first serious attempt.  We know too much. </p>
<p>This is not an original thought, but if you are a candidate who has been too much in the public eye over the years, the public isn&#8217;t likely to nominate you now, and even if they do you probably won&#8217;t be successful.</p>
<p>Specifically, if Hillary Clinton runs in 2016, she will have to realize that we have seen her in action for 24 years.  First, she was First Lady with Bill Clinton from 1993-2001, then she became a U.S. Senator a few years later (not without controversy), and she has served as Obama&#8217;s Secretary of State (more controversy).</p>
<p>Like the candidates I described above, Hillary&#8217;s best hope might have been in 2008, when she was the prohibitive favorite until Obama&#8217;s candidacy did her in.  Isn&#8217;t it possible that the reason these candidates were ultimately unsuccessful is due to the fact that they ran into opposition they could not overcome, and by the time they have a clear shot their opportuntity has passed?</p>
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		By: Curtis		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2012 15:56:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Several conservative pundits are stating their praise of Ryan&#039;s speech. I listened to it again and it does have the quality of being as likeable or even more likeable the second time around. Further, having the knowledge of the speech&#039;es structure and its strategy made the second listening more enjoyable than the first hearing. 

The fact that it is being roundly criticized by Obama&#039;s supporters as factually challenged shows Ryan hit some nerves. Factually, the only mild knock is perhaps some tenuous logic about the Janestown factory that was closed and whether or not Obama actually promised he would keep that specific factory open. It&#039;s a matter of intepretation from one of Obama&#039;s speeches, so, let those chips fall where they may. Back into Obama&#039;s legacy of promising everything and delivering misery, I say.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Several conservative pundits are stating their praise of Ryan&#8217;s speech. I listened to it again and it does have the quality of being as likeable or even more likeable the second time around. Further, having the knowledge of the speech&#8217;es structure and its strategy made the second listening more enjoyable than the first hearing. </p>
<p>The fact that it is being roundly criticized by Obama&#8217;s supporters as factually challenged shows Ryan hit some nerves. Factually, the only mild knock is perhaps some tenuous logic about the Janestown factory that was closed and whether or not Obama actually promised he would keep that specific factory open. It&#8217;s a matter of intepretation from one of Obama&#8217;s speeches, so, let those chips fall where they may. Back into Obama&#8217;s legacy of promising everything and delivering misery, I say.</p>
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		By: OlderandWheezier		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/08/29/another-night-with-ye-olde-gop/#comment-407623</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2012 15:55:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Better blog by a law prof, that is.]]></description>
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		By: OlderandWheezier		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/08/29/another-night-with-ye-olde-gop/#comment-407618</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2012 15:48:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Baklava, 

I began visiting her site just this past several months.  I do appreciate that she posts numerous times throughout the day (not that I need anything more to distract me from work), but I tend to become put off by so many entries being more in the &quot;me! me! me!&quot; vein instead of the kind of worthwhile discussions with which neo blesses us.  

I also tire of  Althouse&#039;s showing off of pix of the latest fancy restaurant she visited, or of her $900.00+ office chair (which she then encourages readers to purchase via her amazon portal).

Legal Insurrection doesn&#039;t get nearly so many hits, but I think it&#039;s a better blog for the politically conservative reader.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Baklava, </p>
<p>I began visiting her site just this past several months.  I do appreciate that she posts numerous times throughout the day (not that I need anything more to distract me from work), but I tend to become put off by so many entries being more in the &#8220;me! me! me!&#8221; vein instead of the kind of worthwhile discussions with which neo blesses us.  </p>
<p>I also tire of  Althouse&#8217;s showing off of pix of the latest fancy restaurant she visited, or of her $900.00+ office chair (which she then encourages readers to purchase via her amazon portal).</p>
<p>Legal Insurrection doesn&#8217;t get nearly so many hits, but I think it&#8217;s a better blog for the politically conservative reader.</p>
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		By: J.J. formerly Jimmy J.		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2012 15:24:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[expat said, &quot;Maybe Mitt is showing us how a real leader functions—not by constantly stealing the limelight but by seeking other bright competent people and encouraging them to use their wings to fly.&quot;

An astute observation. The best leaders I served under in the Navy always operated on that principle. Considering the results Romney achieved in business, the Olympics, and as governor, you sense that his leadership style is superior.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>expat said, &#8220;Maybe Mitt is showing us how a real leader functions—not by constantly stealing the limelight but by seeking other bright competent people and encouraging them to use their wings to fly.&#8221;</p>
<p>An astute observation. The best leaders I served under in the Navy always operated on that principle. Considering the results Romney achieved in business, the Olympics, and as governor, you sense that his leadership style is superior.</p>
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		By: expat		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2012 14:59:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What I have noticed about the convention is its building momentum. The speakers have represented the big tent, and they are all enhusiastic. We have had women, men, blacks, hispanics, whites. They have had different lives and convey competence. Maybe Mitt is showing us how a real leader functions--not by constantly stealing the limelight but by seeking other bright competent people and encouraging them to use their wings to fly.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I have noticed about the convention is its building momentum. The speakers have represented the big tent, and they are all enhusiastic. We have had women, men, blacks, hispanics, whites. They have had different lives and convey competence. Maybe Mitt is showing us how a real leader functions&#8211;not by constantly stealing the limelight but by seeking other bright competent people and encouraging them to use their wings to fly.</p>
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		By: Lizzy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2012 14:48:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ryan was fabulous! Rice did an excellent job of reiterating what American values are and how far Obama has strayed from them. This is a winning theme as it clarifies the differences between the two candidates, and the two parties, without getting into detailed policy arguments. Politifact can&#039; &quot;fact check&quot; these things to make Obama look better. 

I had never seen Martinez before and I really enjoyed her speech, especially her recollection of meeting with a few Republicans over dinner and then remarking to her husband, &quot;I’ll be damned, we’re Republicans.” I think this is how a lot of people become Republicans (myself included). It&#039;s not so much a conscious choice as a realization that your values, and your lifestyle, are just not compatible with what the Dems and the Left are espousing.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ryan was fabulous! Rice did an excellent job of reiterating what American values are and how far Obama has strayed from them. This is a winning theme as it clarifies the differences between the two candidates, and the two parties, without getting into detailed policy arguments. Politifact can&#8217; &#8220;fact check&#8221; these things to make Obama look better. </p>
<p>I had never seen Martinez before and I really enjoyed her speech, especially her recollection of meeting with a few Republicans over dinner and then remarking to her husband, &#8220;I’ll be damned, we’re Republicans.” I think this is how a lot of people become Republicans (myself included). It&#8217;s not so much a conscious choice as a realization that your values, and your lifestyle, are just not compatible with what the Dems and the Left are espousing.</p>
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		By: baklava		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2012 14:27:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Althouse finally DOESN&#039;T say what I&#039;ve been looking for....

 http://althouse.blogspot.com/2012/08/no-i-wont-apologize-for-voting-for.html

so she sets up the 3 lamest arguments which are about HER and her feelings. Never mind the tremendous suffering and killing going on in the middle east and around the world -she just didn&#039;t like the democrat sniping. SO YOU PUT THE SNIPER IN CHIEF IN THE OFFICE!

I must remove the bookmark now. The Obama me me me is due to the voter me me me. 

As for economics... I haven&#039;t seen much astute analysis coming from that blog. No voter education really. I see posts about vaginas. Good luck Ann! I&#039;m done.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Althouse finally DOESN&#8217;T say what I&#8217;ve been looking for&#8230;.</p>
<p> <a href="http://althouse.blogspot.com/2012/08/no-i-wont-apologize-for-voting-for.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://althouse.blogspot.com/2012/08/no-i-wont-apologize-for-voting-for.html</a></p>
<p>so she sets up the 3 lamest arguments which are about HER and her feelings. Never mind the tremendous suffering and killing going on in the middle east and around the world -she just didn&#8217;t like the democrat sniping. SO YOU PUT THE SNIPER IN CHIEF IN THE OFFICE!</p>
<p>I must remove the bookmark now. The Obama me me me is due to the voter me me me. </p>
<p>As for economics&#8230; I haven&#8217;t seen much astute analysis coming from that blog. No voter education really. I see posts about vaginas. Good luck Ann! I&#8217;m done.</p>
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