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		By: IGotBupkis -- "Faecies Evenio", Mr. Holder?		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/08/13/eliminating-medicare-as-we-know-it/#comment-399900</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[IGotBupkis -- "Faecies Evenio", Mr. Holder?]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2012 02:22:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[.

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&lt;b&gt;the fact [is] that Medicare “as we know it” would also be “eliminated” by Obamacare &lt;/b&gt;

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<p><b>the fact [is] that Medicare “as we know it” would also be “eliminated” by Obamacare </b></p>
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<p>The above statement is the real riposte that should occur every time you hear or see that statement.</p>
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		By: NeoConScum		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/08/13/eliminating-medicare-as-we-know-it/#comment-399638</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[NeoConScum]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2012 13:28:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[holmes...The anti-Israel Obama ought to be outed consistently. And, hugely important, the half-trillion he plans to gut from our armed forces. China and Russia and many world thugs are licking their malignant chops. AND, the SCOTUS appointments likely to happen in the next 4-8 years. Profoundly IMPORTANT.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>holmes&#8230;The anti-Israel Obama ought to be outed consistently. And, hugely important, the half-trillion he plans to gut from our armed forces. China and Russia and many world thugs are licking their malignant chops. AND, the SCOTUS appointments likely to happen in the next 4-8 years. Profoundly IMPORTANT.</p>
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		By: holmes		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/08/13/eliminating-medicare-as-we-know-it/#comment-399481</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[holmes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2012 03:00:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Obama is going to ELIMINATE ISRAEL as we know it.]]></description>
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		By: NeoConScum		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/08/13/eliminating-medicare-as-we-know-it/#comment-399472</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[NeoConScum]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2012 02:28:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The absolute B&#039;Yotch Slappin&#039; handed, back-handed &#038; handed again to Ms.Wretched Madcow Sunday morning by Rich Lowry was..well...ECSTASY.

Jeepers, Rachel, ya didn&#039;t know your Boy King is raiding $741-Billion of Medicare to help finance his Healthcare Ponzi? Ya know, Babycakes, nearly a trillion,&#039;Yo?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The absolute B&#8217;Yotch Slappin&#8217; handed, back-handed &amp; handed again to Ms.Wretched Madcow Sunday morning by Rich Lowry was..well&#8230;ECSTASY.</p>
<p>Jeepers, Rachel, ya didn&#8217;t know your Boy King is raiding $741-Billion of Medicare to help finance his Healthcare Ponzi? Ya know, Babycakes, nearly a trillion,&#8217;Yo?</p>
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		By: Curtis		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/08/13/eliminating-medicare-as-we-know-it/#comment-399254</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2012 16:49:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Artfldgr, you must, simply must, dear, come over for tea. I&#039;ve installed a dye in the pool and we all do anticipate a fun time. Do come, please. You&#039;re such a sourpuss these days and we use to have ever so much fun!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Artfldgr, you must, simply must, dear, come over for tea. I&#8217;ve installed a dye in the pool and we all do anticipate a fun time. Do come, please. You&#8217;re such a sourpuss these days and we use to have ever so much fun!</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/08/13/eliminating-medicare-as-we-know-it/#comment-399206</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo-neocon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2012 15:24:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Artfldgr: no, the big topic is &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; pool pee.  It&#039;s the very small topic.  As I&#039;ve written several times before, I write about what interests me, and sometimes what amuses and entertains me.  It&#039;s not all politics all the time, and it&#039;s not all the least bit important.  

And what&#039;s with this &quot;nanny state matriarchal&quot; business?  I think you know better, but somehow you keep implying that&#039;s the sort of viewpoint I hold.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Artfldgr: no, the big topic is <i>not</i> pool pee.  It&#8217;s the very small topic.  As I&#8217;ve written several times before, I write about what interests me, and sometimes what amuses and entertains me.  It&#8217;s not all politics all the time, and it&#8217;s not all the least bit important.  </p>
<p>And what&#8217;s with this &#8220;nanny state matriarchal&#8221; business?  I think you know better, but somehow you keep implying that&#8217;s the sort of viewpoint I hold.</p>
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		By: Artfldgr		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Artfldgr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2012 15:14:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This is in the news today, and yet, the big topic we move to in the nanny state matriarchal view, is pool pee... the critical thing for the next century and future of mankind... right?

Investors Prepare for Euro Collapse
By Martin Hesse
http://www.spiegel.de/international/business/investors-preparing-for-collapse-of-the-euro-a-849747.html]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is in the news today, and yet, the big topic we move to in the nanny state matriarchal view, is pool pee&#8230; the critical thing for the next century and future of mankind&#8230; right?</p>
<p>Investors Prepare for Euro Collapse<br />
By Martin Hesse<br />
<a href="http://www.spiegel.de/international/business/investors-preparing-for-collapse-of-the-euro-a-849747.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.spiegel.de/international/business/investors-preparing-for-collapse-of-the-euro-a-849747.html</a></p>
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		By: Artfldgr		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/08/13/eliminating-medicare-as-we-know-it/#comment-399195</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Artfldgr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2012 14:55:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[do note that if you remove the religious groups... 
(funny how religous groups and these socialist cvommunist groups get along when the subject is to disarm!)

Pt II

Restrain Wasteful Military Spending in 2012: Letter to Congress
http://fcnl.org/issues/budget/restrain_wasteful_military_spending_in_2012_letter_to_congress/

How many of the below organizations participating in the letter to take money away from military (so that i can go to socialism and their organizations instead), and is leaving us in this situation...

After all, while someone like neo says she doesn’t support them (And I believe her!), where is the organization she supports that opposes them and sends out letters that have huge lists of things that politicians will listen to?  
.
Ie. Where is the (meaningful) opposition? 

Point out one men’s group that is on the list that isn’t a coalition of priests who are all male.

Hint, you will not find any… nor will you find a list that is similar from any opposition! It’s illegal for men to make organizations for themselves that are the equivalent of the women’s organizations below (unless there is some special reason like Catholicism). This removal of all opposition groups, and by law, and doubly so if by a certain race (but not others), is a one party dictatorship system. There is no opposition group of women… &lt;b&gt;there is definitely no legal male group allowed to even form for reasons of exercise, let along politics!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! &lt;/b&gt;
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>do note that if you remove the religious groups&#8230;<br />
(funny how religous groups and these socialist cvommunist groups get along when the subject is to disarm!)</p>
<p>Pt II</p>
<p>Restrain Wasteful Military Spending in 2012: Letter to Congress<br />
<a href="http://fcnl.org/issues/budget/restrain_wasteful_military_spending_in_2012_letter_to_congress/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://fcnl.org/issues/budget/restrain_wasteful_military_spending_in_2012_letter_to_congress/</a></p>
<p>How many of the below organizations participating in the letter to take money away from military (so that i can go to socialism and their organizations instead), and is leaving us in this situation&#8230;</p>
<p>After all, while someone like neo says she doesn’t support them (And I believe her!), where is the organization she supports that opposes them and sends out letters that have huge lists of things that politicians will listen to?<br />
.<br />
Ie. Where is the (meaningful) opposition? </p>
<p>Point out one men’s group that is on the list that isn’t a coalition of priests who are all male.</p>
<p>Hint, you will not find any… nor will you find a list that is similar from any opposition! It’s illegal for men to make organizations for themselves that are the equivalent of the women’s organizations below (unless there is some special reason like Catholicism). This removal of all opposition groups, and by law, and doubly so if by a certain race (but not others), is a one party dictatorship system. There is no opposition group of women… <b>there is definitely no legal male group allowed to even form for reasons of exercise, let along politics!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! </b><br />
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		By: Artfldgr		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2012 14:33:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[Before anyone complains as to size, i waited till this thread was full up with discussion and said nothing...]

Problems are only problems relative to other things. 
No? 

For instance,  this SEEMS very important...
 
However, in light of information, and certain eventual outcomes (thank Trotsky for the idea of permanent war until total control is reached), would it seem so very important? 

Reminds me of a point made in the bible, how can you help your brother remove a splinter from his eye when you have a board in your own?  

I.e. You’re no good to anyone unless your all together (drowning men don’t save drowning men)

In order to wonder whether you have this issue or not, OTHER issues have to be handled correctly. Otherwise you’re spitting in the wind ignoring the larger looming picture... 

Chinese companies are pulling out of the US stock market... T bills are being sold off, and other things like this that are not making it to main stream news. After all, its an election cycle and Obama selling point is peace on earth good will towards men as ad copy… so the idea that since he has taken up the task, we have been hit and inundated with tons of stuff that no one really wants to look at and lay out on the table along with everything else. That is, they are being selective in what they pay attention to, so that they can avoid the big sword of Damocles. However failure to pay attention to it, is failure, to prepare for what can be seen by everyone but is ignored till the fateful day it happens and then they claim they were “surprised”.
.

Washington Free Beacon
&lt;i&gt;Russian attack submarine sailed in Gulf of Mexico undetected for weeks, U.S. officials say&lt;/i&gt;
http://freebeacon.com/silent-running/
&lt;blockquote&gt;
A Russian nuclear-powered attack submarine armed with long-range cruise missiles operated undetected in the Gulf of Mexico for several weeks and its travel in strategic U.S. waters was only confirmed after it left the region&lt;/blockquote&gt;

A capitalist country can only function if it has a strong military so that stability is maintained, as many of its efficiencies depend on this stability to be there as a given... (At least for normal operation).  The US operated during WWII because it was too far away to hurt its stability directly, and so its system changed over in terms of what it produced, not crippled so it couldn’t produce regardless. 

This makes such regimes VERY fragile comparatively, and when their people lose their culture and knowledge passed down through the father (not mother), they become even weaker... 

After all the whole wrong headed  disseminated position is that “the world is safe”, “society security and stability is a given”, and so all those modifications to culture, passing on information, religion and such can now go away, and the progressive matriarchy nanny state can continue without any concern. 
.
So why fund the military, the protection thing, etc? 

The idea we are 30 seconds away from being primitive and helpless due to such changes, is completely ignored... After all, how can you have such a society if the very foundation that its built on, is not stable other than for periods of time established by the prior Hegelian opposite to the nanny state matriarchy. Otherwise, how can people move &quot;forwards&quot; into this super fragile situation in which even natural disasters cause dysfunctional break down? 

&lt;blockquote&gt;
The submarine patrol also exposed what U.S. officials said were deficiencies in U.S. anti-submarine warfare capabilities–&lt;b&gt;forces that are facing cuts under the Obama administration’s plan to reduce defense spending by $487 billion over the next 10 years.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Such things would not happen if socialist feminism was not the majority dissemination vehicle. If there was a better way to soft control of a peaceful state, then something else would serve that purpose, but there is not. It’s a direct hook and channel to the homogenized majority demographically larger than all others… (and for whom opposition positions count on their side, not their oppositions!!!)

Before you say, them again, do look up crap, and see &lt;i&gt;who pushes the most stuff in the media&lt;/i&gt;? Whose message is monolithic with no real opposition? Who has both sides of the argument in the ear of the largest demographic group and whose leaders are worshiped as secular saints?  Who is getting signing statements targeted at them to bribe them for votes (the way some snake in the grass bribed them out of Eden last time)? Who has offices of health, offices of business, affirmative action, law advantage, and loan advantages, and so on and so on and so on, buying them? 
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[Before anyone complains as to size, i waited till this thread was full up with discussion and said nothing&#8230;]</p>
<p>Problems are only problems relative to other things.<br />
No? </p>
<p>For instance,  this SEEMS very important&#8230;</p>
<p>However, in light of information, and certain eventual outcomes (thank Trotsky for the idea of permanent war until total control is reached), would it seem so very important? </p>
<p>Reminds me of a point made in the bible, how can you help your brother remove a splinter from his eye when you have a board in your own?  </p>
<p>I.e. You’re no good to anyone unless your all together (drowning men don’t save drowning men)</p>
<p>In order to wonder whether you have this issue or not, OTHER issues have to be handled correctly. Otherwise you’re spitting in the wind ignoring the larger looming picture&#8230; </p>
<p>Chinese companies are pulling out of the US stock market&#8230; T bills are being sold off, and other things like this that are not making it to main stream news. After all, its an election cycle and Obama selling point is peace on earth good will towards men as ad copy… so the idea that since he has taken up the task, we have been hit and inundated with tons of stuff that no one really wants to look at and lay out on the table along with everything else. That is, they are being selective in what they pay attention to, so that they can avoid the big sword of Damocles. However failure to pay attention to it, is failure, to prepare for what can be seen by everyone but is ignored till the fateful day it happens and then they claim they were “surprised”.<br />
.</p>
<p>Washington Free Beacon<br />
<i>Russian attack submarine sailed in Gulf of Mexico undetected for weeks, U.S. officials say</i><br />
<a href="http://freebeacon.com/silent-running/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://freebeacon.com/silent-running/</a></p>
<blockquote><p>
A Russian nuclear-powered attack submarine armed with long-range cruise missiles operated undetected in the Gulf of Mexico for several weeks and its travel in strategic U.S. waters was only confirmed after it left the region</p></blockquote>
<p>A capitalist country can only function if it has a strong military so that stability is maintained, as many of its efficiencies depend on this stability to be there as a given&#8230; (At least for normal operation).  The US operated during WWII because it was too far away to hurt its stability directly, and so its system changed over in terms of what it produced, not crippled so it couldn’t produce regardless. </p>
<p>This makes such regimes VERY fragile comparatively, and when their people lose their culture and knowledge passed down through the father (not mother), they become even weaker&#8230; </p>
<p>After all the whole wrong headed  disseminated position is that “the world is safe”, “society security and stability is a given”, and so all those modifications to culture, passing on information, religion and such can now go away, and the progressive matriarchy nanny state can continue without any concern.<br />
.<br />
So why fund the military, the protection thing, etc? </p>
<p>The idea we are 30 seconds away from being primitive and helpless due to such changes, is completely ignored&#8230; After all, how can you have such a society if the very foundation that its built on, is not stable other than for periods of time established by the prior Hegelian opposite to the nanny state matriarchy. Otherwise, how can people move &#8220;forwards&#8221; into this super fragile situation in which even natural disasters cause dysfunctional break down? </p>
<blockquote><p>
The submarine patrol also exposed what U.S. officials said were deficiencies in U.S. anti-submarine warfare capabilities–<b>forces that are facing cuts under the Obama administration’s plan to reduce defense spending by $487 billion over the next 10 years.</b></p></blockquote>
<p>Such things would not happen if socialist feminism was not the majority dissemination vehicle. If there was a better way to soft control of a peaceful state, then something else would serve that purpose, but there is not. It’s a direct hook and channel to the homogenized majority demographically larger than all others… (and for whom opposition positions count on their side, not their oppositions!!!)</p>
<p>Before you say, them again, do look up crap, and see <i>who pushes the most stuff in the media</i>? Whose message is monolithic with no real opposition? Who has both sides of the argument in the ear of the largest demographic group and whose leaders are worshiped as secular saints?  Who is getting signing statements targeted at them to bribe them for votes (the way some snake in the grass bribed them out of Eden last time)? Who has offices of health, offices of business, affirmative action, law advantage, and loan advantages, and so on and so on and so on, buying them?<br />
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		By: baklava		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/08/13/eliminating-medicare-as-we-know-it/#comment-399181</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2012 14:11:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[More than Obama are becoming unglued!

Candy Crowley
Andrea Mitchell
Juan Williams
I mean you should&#039;ve seen Juan Williams on O&#039;rielly yesterday. Unglued. Find it.

This is all very instructive to people who normally don&#039;t pay attention.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More than Obama are becoming unglued!</p>
<p>Candy Crowley<br />
Andrea Mitchell<br />
Juan Williams<br />
I mean you should&#8217;ve seen Juan Williams on O&#8217;rielly yesterday. Unglued. Find it.</p>
<p>This is all very instructive to people who normally don&#8217;t pay attention.</p>
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