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		By: njcommuter		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/08/03/the-self-esteem-movement-for-designated-victim-groups/#comment-395884</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[njcommuter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2012 06:15:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[On gaffes: a gaffe occurs when a politician UNWITTINGLY tells the truth, either about something else or about himself (by what he says about something else).

When Romney makes a statement that is plainly and obviously true and verifiable and the Press call it a gaffe, they are trying to convince us that no reasonable person could believe what is so obviously true.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On gaffes: a gaffe occurs when a politician UNWITTINGLY tells the truth, either about something else or about himself (by what he says about something else).</p>
<p>When Romney makes a statement that is plainly and obviously true and verifiable and the Press call it a gaffe, they are trying to convince us that no reasonable person could believe what is so obviously true.</p>
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		By: Jan of MN		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/08/03/the-self-esteem-movement-for-designated-victim-groups/#comment-395017</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jan of MN]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Aug 2012 04:14:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Oops, I meant to say: Would Thomas Jefferson have been appalled at our PC culture?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops, I meant to say: Would Thomas Jefferson have been appalled at our PC culture?</p>
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		By: Jan of MN		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/08/03/the-self-esteem-movement-for-designated-victim-groups/#comment-395015</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jan of MN]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Aug 2012 04:12:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every from of tyranny over the mind of man.&quot; Would Thomas Jefferson has been appalled at our PC culture?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every from of tyranny over the mind of man.&#8221; Would Thomas Jefferson has been appalled at our PC culture?</p>
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		By: IGotBupkis -- "Faecies Evenio", Mr. Holder?		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/08/03/the-self-esteem-movement-for-designated-victim-groups/#comment-394990</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[IGotBupkis -- "Faecies Evenio", Mr. Holder?]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Aug 2012 02:36:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As a positive sign, notice what happened, however, when the G&#038;L types tried to push around Chik-Fil-A

... &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9yepsv842U&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; &lt;b&gt;Cue the appropriate music &lt;/b&gt; &lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a positive sign, notice what happened, however, when the G&amp;L types tried to push around Chik-Fil-A</p>
<p>&#8230; <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9yepsv842U" rel="nofollow"> <b>Cue the appropriate music </b> </a></p>
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		By: J.J. formerly Jimmy J.		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/08/03/the-self-esteem-movement-for-designated-victim-groups/#comment-394929</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[J.J. formerly Jimmy J.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Aug 2012 23:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Anyone who has read &quot;The Haj&quot; by Leon Uris will have an  understanding of the cultural differences between  the Muslims and  the Israelis. That will lead to understanding  why the Israelis have been so economically successful and the Paletsineans haven&#039;t. Anyone who has read &quot;Don&#039;t Let&#039;s Go To the Dogs Tonight: An African Childhood&quot; by Alexandra Fuller will understand the cultural differences between the Europeans who settled in Africa and the native Africans.  That will in turn lead to understanding why post-colonial Africa has been so benighted.  Such books will also lead one to the understanding that what Mitt Romney said in Israel is absolutely true.  Culture does matter.

Neoconscum&#039;s recommendation of Thomas Sowell&#039;s book, &quot;Intellectuals and Society&quot; will help you understand why post modernism cannot accept those plain facts about culture. Post modernism is not about reality. It&#039;s about pretending that all people and cultures are the  same and that anyone who has ever been shortchanged, defeated, lost out, or otherwise inconvenienced has the right to be given special victim treatment.....in perpetuity.

Curtis is right. The Jews have been the universal victims.  Yet they just keep on pulling  their socks up and getting on with  improving themselves. That the  Israelis are condemned for being successful in defending themselves and turning desert into productive land is just another chapter in a long book of abuse.

I&#039;m  with vanderleun. My compassion for perpetual victims has run mighty low.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone who has read &#8220;The Haj&#8221; by Leon Uris will have an  understanding of the cultural differences between  the Muslims and  the Israelis. That will lead to understanding  why the Israelis have been so economically successful and the Paletsineans haven&#8217;t. Anyone who has read &#8220;Don&#8217;t Let&#8217;s Go To the Dogs Tonight: An African Childhood&#8221; by Alexandra Fuller will understand the cultural differences between the Europeans who settled in Africa and the native Africans.  That will in turn lead to understanding why post-colonial Africa has been so benighted.  Such books will also lead one to the understanding that what Mitt Romney said in Israel is absolutely true.  Culture does matter.</p>
<p>Neoconscum&#8217;s recommendation of Thomas Sowell&#8217;s book, &#8220;Intellectuals and Society&#8221; will help you understand why post modernism cannot accept those plain facts about culture. Post modernism is not about reality. It&#8217;s about pretending that all people and cultures are the  same and that anyone who has ever been shortchanged, defeated, lost out, or otherwise inconvenienced has the right to be given special victim treatment&#8230;..in perpetuity.</p>
<p>Curtis is right. The Jews have been the universal victims.  Yet they just keep on pulling  their socks up and getting on with  improving themselves. That the  Israelis are condemned for being successful in defending themselves and turning desert into productive land is just another chapter in a long book of abuse.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m  with vanderleun. My compassion for perpetual victims has run mighty low.</p>
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		By: ziontruth		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Aug 2012 19:42:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mr. Frank,

&quot;If a group is not doing well it is either genetics, culture, or some combination thereof.&quot;

If it&#039;s genetics then the discussion is in no better state than under the iron fist of Marxist-enforced political correctness.

Taking the issue of blacks in America as an example, a discussion looks pretty near impossible on both sides of the political aisle. We all know why it is so on the Left, so I&#039;ll just give a brief overview: They are wedded to the notion that the plight of blacks must be Whitey&#039;s fault, and you&#039;re WACISTâ„¢ if you dare to insinuate any of the fault lies with blacks.

Since no such artificial ruling exists on the Right, surely discussion must be unfettered on that side? Wrong. On the Right, the discussion of this issue is beset by a different problem: No sooner does it begin than the thread is witness to the arrival of the IQist Brigade, those who with the expected tropes like &quot;average IQ of 75&quot; (a scientific-sounding way of saying &quot;Blacks are born chtoopid and fated to stay that way&quot;) achieve the same effect of denying blacks any responsibility, or any hope of lifting themselves up–from the opposite direction that the Left does it, but the result is the same.

What I&#039;m not saying is there should be a ban on IQism, however much I may disbelieve in that materialist dogma. But it means, by its very nature, that the discussion is over, because the facts of genetics are set in stone. Once you have argued that a certain group is either privileged or disadvantage by its genetics, there&#039;s no room for calling for responsibility or change or entertaining any sort of hope for a brighter future. Genetics is the killer of all prospect of free will and personal improvement, and it is there that the Far Left and the Far Right meet in the Circle of Politics: Where the former view whites as congenital oppressors, evildoers no matter what they do, and the latter view the darker races as immutably fated for inferiority because of their lower average IQ.

You tell me eye color is inherited and genetically determined, I&#039;ve never had a problem with that. But the character and soul of people–well, the Torah has the final say on the matter, and it says no human being of good mental health is exempt from free will and responsibility. That&#039;s why I brook no deterministic buck-passing from either Left or Right.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Frank,</p>
<p>&#8220;If a group is not doing well it is either genetics, culture, or some combination thereof.&#8221;</p>
<p>If it&#8217;s genetics then the discussion is in no better state than under the iron fist of Marxist-enforced political correctness.</p>
<p>Taking the issue of blacks in America as an example, a discussion looks pretty near impossible on both sides of the political aisle. We all know why it is so on the Left, so I&#8217;ll just give a brief overview: They are wedded to the notion that the plight of blacks must be Whitey&#8217;s fault, and you&#8217;re WACISTâ„¢ if you dare to insinuate any of the fault lies with blacks.</p>
<p>Since no such artificial ruling exists on the Right, surely discussion must be unfettered on that side? Wrong. On the Right, the discussion of this issue is beset by a different problem: No sooner does it begin than the thread is witness to the arrival of the IQist Brigade, those who with the expected tropes like &#8220;average IQ of 75&#8221; (a scientific-sounding way of saying &#8220;Blacks are born chtoopid and fated to stay that way&#8221;) achieve the same effect of denying blacks any responsibility, or any hope of lifting themselves up–from the opposite direction that the Left does it, but the result is the same.</p>
<p>What I&#8217;m not saying is there should be a ban on IQism, however much I may disbelieve in that materialist dogma. But it means, by its very nature, that the discussion is over, because the facts of genetics are set in stone. Once you have argued that a certain group is either privileged or disadvantage by its genetics, there&#8217;s no room for calling for responsibility or change or entertaining any sort of hope for a brighter future. Genetics is the killer of all prospect of free will and personal improvement, and it is there that the Far Left and the Far Right meet in the Circle of Politics: Where the former view whites as congenital oppressors, evildoers no matter what they do, and the latter view the darker races as immutably fated for inferiority because of their lower average IQ.</p>
<p>You tell me eye color is inherited and genetically determined, I&#8217;ve never had a problem with that. But the character and soul of people–well, the Torah has the final say on the matter, and it says no human being of good mental health is exempt from free will and responsibility. That&#8217;s why I brook no deterministic buck-passing from either Left or Right.</p>
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		By: NeoConScum		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/08/03/the-self-esteem-movement-for-designated-victim-groups/#comment-394842</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[NeoConScum]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Aug 2012 19:27:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I sat in an ICU room with a dozing old timer-friend today for 6-hours and read sizable pieces of Dr.Sowell&#039;s,&quot;Intellectuals and Society&quot; (Basic Books,2009). WONDERFUL, as you&#039;d ecpect from Thomas the Great. The reason I mention it here is the &quot;designated victims&quot; in your post, N-Neocon. The &#039;high minded&#039; and &#039;deep&#039; and &#039;determining&#039; amongst us reg&#039;lar folks--The Anointed--decide(lucky us)who are &#039;victims&#039; and &#039;minorities&#039; and who us&#039;sun bigots, racists, homophobes(maybe my favorite), etc are. You know, y&#039;all, us with that darned Tragic Vision? Little of these choices are based upon logic, critical thinking, weighed evidence, yet our culture is chained by them. One of my faves on the beknighted victimhood thingy is the never-ever hearing from the intello-slicks on our Asian bruthas &#038; sistahs and their massively obvious &quot;anomalies&quot; in our population. Superior grades, achievements, solidity of family, absense of self-pity, etc. Nope. Nada. Nein. Nuthin. They just don&#039;t fit that Victim Nitch. Now, I gotta run to chik-fil-A,&#039;Yo.

All here would find Dr.Sowell&#039;s book well worth reading.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I sat in an ICU room with a dozing old timer-friend today for 6-hours and read sizable pieces of Dr.Sowell&#8217;s,&#8221;Intellectuals and Society&#8221; (Basic Books,2009). WONDERFUL, as you&#8217;d ecpect from Thomas the Great. The reason I mention it here is the &#8220;designated victims&#8221; in your post, N-Neocon. The &#8216;high minded&#8217; and &#8216;deep&#8217; and &#8216;determining&#8217; amongst us reg&#8217;lar folks&#8211;The Anointed&#8211;decide(lucky us)who are &#8216;victims&#8217; and &#8216;minorities&#8217; and who us&#8217;sun bigots, racists, homophobes(maybe my favorite), etc are. You know, y&#8217;all, us with that darned Tragic Vision? Little of these choices are based upon logic, critical thinking, weighed evidence, yet our culture is chained by them. One of my faves on the beknighted victimhood thingy is the never-ever hearing from the intello-slicks on our Asian bruthas &amp; sistahs and their massively obvious &#8220;anomalies&#8221; in our population. Superior grades, achievements, solidity of family, absense of self-pity, etc. Nope. Nada. Nein. Nuthin. They just don&#8217;t fit that Victim Nitch. Now, I gotta run to chik-fil-A,&#8217;Yo.</p>
<p>All here would find Dr.Sowell&#8217;s book well worth reading.</p>
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		By: SteveH		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SteveH]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Aug 2012 14:43:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Rob clearly exposes the problem. Either he&#039;s fourteen years old or a perpetual adolescent in a grown up body.

 Real grownups don&#039;t have such a simpleton black and white view of the world.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rob clearly exposes the problem. Either he&#8217;s fourteen years old or a perpetual adolescent in a grown up body.</p>
<p> Real grownups don&#8217;t have such a simpleton black and white view of the world.</p>
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		By: reliapundit		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[reliapundit]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Aug 2012 14:26:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[hi rob;

1 - unions are not poor or powerless; they outspend everyone else in politics.

don&#039;t conflate unions with workers. most workers re not unionized and prefer it that way.

2 - blacks are not powerless. we have a balck president, and have had black secretaries of every major cabinet department.

3 - women are not powerless. (see above)

and so on.

who are the &quot;powerless&quot;?

a - the catholic church - who can;t stop our liberal-fascist administration from forcing them to do things that violate their religious beliefs.

b - babies in the womb - who are powerless to fight against the abortion industry which has murdered millions of babies - mostly black babies.

c -]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi rob;</p>
<p>1 &#8211; unions are not poor or powerless; they outspend everyone else in politics.</p>
<p>don&#8217;t conflate unions with workers. most workers re not unionized and prefer it that way.</p>
<p>2 &#8211; blacks are not powerless. we have a balck president, and have had black secretaries of every major cabinet department.</p>
<p>3 &#8211; women are not powerless. (see above)</p>
<p>and so on.</p>
<p>who are the &#8220;powerless&#8221;?</p>
<p>a &#8211; the catholic church &#8211; who can;t stop our liberal-fascist administration from forcing them to do things that violate their religious beliefs.</p>
<p>b &#8211; babies in the womb &#8211; who are powerless to fight against the abortion industry which has murdered millions of babies &#8211; mostly black babies.</p>
<p>c &#8211;</p>
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		By: Rob		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rob]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Aug 2012 12:43:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[You guys are right. I&#039;m sick and tired of the rich and powerful being pushed around by the poor and powerless.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You guys are right. I&#8217;m sick and tired of the rich and powerful being pushed around by the poor and powerless.</p>
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