Comments on: Speculation about the Aurora perp

By: Artfldgr

Artfldgr — Mon, 23 Jul 2012 17:50:08 +0000

this just hit now that people are looking

A Less Horrific Colorado Shooting Spree

Matthew Murray, who was also aged 24 when he barged into a church in 2007 determined to kill as many as possible. Like Holmes, he was armed to the teeth. But whereas Holmes killed 12 and injured at least 50, Murray’s body count was only 2 killed and 2 wounded.

The difference?

Jeanne Assam … said she “did not think for a minute to run away” when a gunman entered the New Life Church in Colorado Springs and started shooting.

There was applause as Assam spoke to a small crowd saying, “God guided me and protected me.”

New Life’s Senior Pastor Brady Boyd called Assam “a real hero” because the gunman, Matthew Murray, “had enough ammunition on him to cause a lot of damage.” …

“I saw him coming through the doors” and took cover, Assam said. “I came out of cover and identified myself and engaged him and took him down.” …

Murray was carrying two handguns, an assault rifle and over 1,000 rounds of ammunition, said Sgt. Jeff Johnson of the Colorado Springs Police Department. …

Boyd said Assam’s actions saved the lives of 50 to 100 people.

and note…
who said that a person attempting to stop the even has to do so more perfectly than the police? the police often hit bystanders and have even killed innocents. if they cant do it perfectly then perfect is a false goal. even if you just shoot at the ceiling a gunman will turn to you rather than ignore you.

Colorado theater called ‘gun-free’ zone
Lawmaker: ‘Was there nobody that was carrying that could’ve stopped this guy?
http://www.wnd.com/2012/07/colorado-theater-called-gun-free-zone/

look at this way.
Holmes and Murray.. sociopathic, if not crazy, picks places where they know their victims cant fight back… (if they can, you cant feel the power over them can you?)

obama and bloomberg.. sociopathic? and want to create a sitution where they know their victims cant fight back.. if the victims can fight back, what kind of power is that?

By: Artfldgr

Artfldgr — Mon, 23 Jul 2012 17:13:03 +0000

The Sanity Squad: how to evaluate dangerousness

http://neoneocon.com/2007/04/25/the-sanity-squad-how-to-evaluate-dangerousness/

By: M of Hollywood

M of Hollywood — Mon, 23 Jul 2012 13:57:34 +0000

Just caught the last 45 min of “Adam’s Rib.”
Attorney Hepburn’s defense of accused, Judy Holiday, was that she did not intend to murder her husband and his mistress – she was just upset when she saw them “together” and wanted to frighten him, so she shot the gun.
A childless couple, Spencer Tracy and Katherine Hepburn, both attorneys, find themselves in court supporting the opposing sides.
Prosecutor Spencer Tracy’s position was that no one has the right to break the law: she shot the gun, she admits it, she’s guilty. Hepburn brings in women’s rights and women’s equality to back her defense – and the notion that the poor little woman was just trying to protect her family. Plus, Judy Holiday’s husband was a jerk and thought she was fat, which Judy Holiday was not.
Over the course of the trial, Hepburn and Tracy grow more testy at home.
She gives her final argument to the jury: the little woman was protecting her family.
Tracy stands up and says something like, “That sounded pretty good – and it was all just pretty sounds.”
Hepburn wins.
Tracy cannot believe she twisted the law just to win – she had called it “the spirit of the law.” He leaves and she begins to realize that he is really gone. A paramour who had long been hanging around Heburn comes over to Hepburn’s apartment and tries to move in on her, but she is all thinking about Tracy now, the husband she loves. Paramour tries to kiss her and Tracy, outside from the street, sees their silhouette in the window, goes up, bursts in, and holds a gun to the two of them. You think he “cracked” because of this case that just finished that had “driven him crazy.”
Hepburn shouts out “You have no right! You have no right!” Then he puts the gun into his own mouth! She is aghast – but with just the right timing, Tracy bites down and eats it. The gun is chocolate. Licking his lips, he says, “I just wanted to hear you say that, ‘You have no right.'”
In the process of divorcing, they go for one more night to their country home – and she just can’t quit with the women are equal, women’s rights, talk talk talk. She relents at the end and says, “Well maybe there’s one little difference,” and he replies, “Vive la difference”–which he has to translate for her. The curtain is closed on their little bed and they make love. The End.
Garson Kanin and Ruth Gordon, writers, 1949 – so they wrote it just after The War, when Rosie the Riveter rose to a new stature – making the weaponry for men to kill men so they could come home and have famlies.
A nice illustration of the unresolvable issues: the nature of differences and the fairness of systems and laws.

By: neo-neocon

neo-neocon — Mon, 23 Jul 2012 03:32:29 +0000

Brad: it is not uncommon, in murders or mass murders that feature a duo of perps, for one to be a psychopath and the other to be someone with other disturbances (depressive, easily influenced, social isolate, etc.). Together they form a lethal combination. This was true of the perps in the In Cold Blood crimes, and it was also true for Leopold and Loeb. For the former, Dick Hickock was the psychopath and Perry Smith the other one. For the latter, Loeb was the psychopath and Leopold the other. By the way, Leopold and Loeb were both considered to be academic geniuses.

By: Brad

Brad — Mon, 23 Jul 2012 02:18:28 +0000

We should also remember this:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/22/opinion/sunday/the-unknown-why-in-the-aurora-killings.html?_r=3&smid=tw-share

Now normally I woudn’t link to the Times as I think the “paper of record” has fallen on its face too many times to be trusted as anything other than toilet paper. But this is an excellent opinion piece by a man who spent years researching the Columbine murderers.

A snippet:”

Mr. Harris kept a sort of journal for an entire year, focused largely on his plan to blow up his school and mow down survivors with high-powered rifles. Mr. Klebold kept a more traditional journal for two years, spewing a wild array of contradictory teen angst and deep depression, grappling seriously with suicide from the very first page.

Audiences are never surprised by the journal of Mr. Harris. It’s hate-hate-hate all the way through. He was a coldblooded psychopath, in the clinical use of that term. He had no empathy, no regard for human suffering or even human life.

Mr. Klebold’s journal is the revelation. Ten pages are consumed with drawings of giant fluffy hearts. Some fill entire pages, others dance about in happy clusters, with “I LOVE YOU” stenciled across. He was ferociously angry. He had one primary target for his anger. Not jocks, but himself. What a loathsome creature he found himself. No friends, no love, not a soul who cared about him or what became of his miserable life. None of that is objectively true. But that’s what he saw.

It’s a common high school malady, taken to extremes. Psychologists have a simple term for this state: depression…”

I’m not defending this shooter. I’m suggesting we remember Jared Lee Loughner, Richard Jewell, and many others and remember how the first impression one often gets from our sensationalistic media is often the wrong one. We’ll find out more about him as time goes by, and esp. when we hear more from him or his family as to possible problems and motives.

By: waltj

waltj — Sun, 22 Jul 2012 18:25:57 +0000

Once knew a kid in junior high who would act like a normal 8th grader sometimes, then at other times, he’d go off and throw tantrums like a three-year-old. You never knew whether you’d get Jekyll or Hyde with him. It got so bad that the private school I went to made him leave because they didn’t have the facilities to handle him. Many years later as an adult I caught up with some of my former schoolmates and mentioned this kid’s irrational behavior. One of them who’d kept in better touch with the old crowd than I had said, “Oh, him. He died. Brain tumor. Happened a year or two after he left the school” (this would have been around 1970). I thought at the time he was just an immature jerk, but he actually was in the latter stages of a fatal disease. I don’t know if Holmes’ problem has a similar physiological origin (my layman’s guess is it doesn’t), but I’ve seen what a brain tumor can do to someone’s behavior, and it isn’t pretty.

By: vanderleun

vanderleun — Sun, 22 Jul 2012 16:19:52 +0000

“More than 500 killed in 48 hours as Assad’s forces allegedly used ‘toxic gas’ against civilians”

I’m looking at:

http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/07/21/227615.html

and

http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/12644075-over-500-killed-in-48-hrs-as-assads-forces-used-toxic-gas-against-civilians

and

http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=506528

and they all read and look like propaganda to me. Right down to posed “dead bodies in rubble” shots.

Not saying it is “incorrect,” only that is it not persuasive.

By: njartist49

njartist49 — Sun, 22 Jul 2012 15:17:56 +0000

Proper use of “allegedly”: we don’t know if it was Assad – was he using Saddam’s stockpile? – or CIA trained/led/undercover “insurgents.”

By: vanderleun

vanderleun — Sun, 22 Jul 2012 15:10:26 +0000

“…. something we understand hardly at all.”

Or perhaps, just perhaps, we understand it all too well… understand that anybody is really capable of anything. As Burroughs wrote, “Anyone who can pick up a frying pan owns death.”

Then again, business is bad at lunatic asylums these days. As Velociman observes: “Because as a culture we have decided it is more humane to let the lunatics roam amongst us. To institutionalize them is cruel, as they might miss their fucking Friday cupcake. ”

All sorts of theories and suppositions. No resolutions. Mass murder? Grin and bear it.

By: texexec

texexec — Sun, 22 Jul 2012 15:04:44 +0000

One of the biggest problems we have today is the fact that we still have the same kind of bodies, brains, and emotional makeup we had back when we were hunters/gatherers but now have leverage that amplifies what we can do.

That leverage can be used for both good and bad things. Examples of good things are the use of high tech farm equipment to feed more people and the ability to speak with and see a family member across the globe for free on the Internet.

Examples of the bad things are the ability for 21 men to kill 3,000 people by flying jet airliners into buildings 100+ stories high, the atomic bomb, people having worn out joint problems because we are living longer than we have been evolved to live, and terrorists being able to communicate and train via the Internet.

If this guy had been in a hunter/gatherer tribe of about 30 families he couldn’t have done much damage before the members of the tribe ganged up on him and killed him.

I think the story of Adam and Eve and their expulsion from the Garden of Eden is an allegory for the tension between accepting what we are given naturally and being tempted to take matters into our own hands through our knowledge.