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		By: David Lentz		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/07/20/mass-murder-in-colorado/#comment-386954</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2012 13:33:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The shooter wanted to be famous.  He played the media like a fiddle and the saps cooperated.  Nary a word of the victims but the shooter&#039;s name repeated ad naseum.

Note the idiots in the media, an AR-15 is a semi-autumatic rifle and is not an assault rifle.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The shooter wanted to be famous.  He played the media like a fiddle and the saps cooperated.  Nary a word of the victims but the shooter&#8217;s name repeated ad naseum.</p>
<p>Note the idiots in the media, an AR-15 is a semi-autumatic rifle and is not an assault rifle.</p>
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		By: Artfldgr		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/07/20/mass-murder-in-colorado/#comment-386942</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2012 13:02:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[by the way, your also suggesting a state powered answer to a state solution that isnt supposed to be there... 

ie. if everyone had guns... 
the shooter in the theater would ahve no chance. period. 

but what your all discussing is really how to make limited ownership work... now willing to have some form of medical test or system of testing and approval. 

what kept such mass murders in check prior to limited gun ownership laws? 

everyone would turn around and shoot him/her

this mass murdering idiot thing is only possible within a framework of mass unprotected people... 

but whether you go with ubiquitous gun ownership as in the nordic countries and israel... or you go with none... 

you still wont make anyone safe from any of this. 
as you still want to have machine shops, and tools, and more open borders than a gulag, etc. 

what can be done with whtas commonly around would surprise people who want to stop things... 

and thats not even after people start getting inventive in restrictions...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>by the way, your also suggesting a state powered answer to a state solution that isnt supposed to be there&#8230; </p>
<p>ie. if everyone had guns&#8230;<br />
the shooter in the theater would ahve no chance. period. </p>
<p>but what your all discussing is really how to make limited ownership work&#8230; now willing to have some form of medical test or system of testing and approval. </p>
<p>what kept such mass murders in check prior to limited gun ownership laws? </p>
<p>everyone would turn around and shoot him/her</p>
<p>this mass murdering idiot thing is only possible within a framework of mass unprotected people&#8230; </p>
<p>but whether you go with ubiquitous gun ownership as in the nordic countries and israel&#8230; or you go with none&#8230; </p>
<p>you still wont make anyone safe from any of this.<br />
as you still want to have machine shops, and tools, and more open borders than a gulag, etc. </p>
<p>what can be done with whtas commonly around would surprise people who want to stop things&#8230; </p>
<p>and thats not even after people start getting inventive in restrictions&#8230;</p>
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		By: Artfldgr		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/07/20/mass-murder-in-colorado/#comment-386940</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2012 12:57:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sergey, you mean like they had in russia? where it was political as well as semi medical? 

hows this... the majority of people that do things to people are not mentally crazy, or do not know that what they are doing is wrong. 

ie. the mental people are no more likely to hurt you than the sane... 

so your solution would do NOTHING... 

while most people in prison are anti social, or sociopathic, neither is a condition that we screen and separate people for. even our president can be sociopathic... 

so, you will get the disordered thought people, the ocd, and so on... but they are not your problem, are they? 

one of my favorites while watching documentaries is the one in which the doctor of psychiatry finds out using FMRI that he was a sociopath. and he discusses the discovery.  made him a real asshole, but he had no compulsion to murder people? hurt them? who knows but him and he aint going to tell you anyway. 

no sergey, what you propose is a non solution based on invalid assumptions. 

how many such people do we have in our history? 
actually very few if you consider what one can do with whats available (not just guns)

if anything, despite the worry about the internet, and availability of how to stuff, out of 300 million people what is the number your willing to create another government tax funded bureaucracy with supreme power over people to declare them and lock them away (as the soviet union did and still does)

personally we would do great if we could send sociaopaths somewhere, but alas, what sociopathic politician will let you make that law? 

oh... and the feminists will see all males as mental and needing to be drugged more than they drug em now to get them to sit still (the IQ boost recently reported could have been caused by drugging the males disproportionately)

and the left would love to see adorno&#039;s ideas turned into a means of sorting selecting and genociding the population (or will you allow interpatient copulation and births?)

Sergey, what your proposing ultimately is another form of eugenics in which the state defines the sicknesses, and the administration changes demographic outcomes for that &#039;class&#039;

where will they put the born racist white guys who are all oppressors?  

think that Hitler didn&#039;t declare jews as sick? and so in acton t4 they died in hospitals?  acton t4 came before acton t14 and that was the final solution to that problem, eh? 

you basically reinvented one of the more heinious parts of the mass murdering last century as a quick solution to a non problem.

here you sit and PRETEND to be against totaliarianism, while imagining totalitarian solutions to the problme of TOTAL SAFETY. 

there is no such thing as total safety, and so there is no way to solve the problem with medical whatnot, or licenses, and state interventions constantly tweaked. there is no solution, life is inherently unsafe. 

and while your willing to create a dictatorship to save you from such madmen, your more likely to be killed by a family member or friend... and a robbery after that... but thats if you survive the greatest killer, which is dumb luck... 

300 million people would be subjected to medical review, or a subset who wnats or owns firearms (amounting the the same registry that hitler used to get the guns at whim), and then what? 

would that really change things? 

would the result be the person says to themselves. 

oh, look... i am in a crazy mental rampage where i want to kill people and am executing the plan over weeks. i cant get a gun... now time to give up my dream of a killing spree and go back to school and be a phd.. 

I will tell you this.. 

i am GLAD he had guns.. 
guns have to be aimed, and loaded, and so on. 
they are point devices. 

a 15-20 gallon gasoline firebomb thrown into the crowd in the absence of gun availability and needing an alternative would have been worse, no?

would you also require a psychological exam in factory quantities and quality to be performed on every person buying gasoline? 

&lt;b&gt;so used to totalitarian thinking we can oppose totalitarianism, and yet propose totalitarianism as a solution as well...&lt;/b&gt;  

talk about inured to dissonance. 

but i guess what it is is one is opposed to totalitarianism defined by someone else, and the stuff they like that they define that others dont get to protest is just fine.  

so totalitarianism would be ok if we all think the same, eh?  isnt that what pc multiculti dictated culture was supposed to make happen? 

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sergey, you mean like they had in russia? where it was political as well as semi medical? </p>
<p>hows this&#8230; the majority of people that do things to people are not mentally crazy, or do not know that what they are doing is wrong. </p>
<p>ie. the mental people are no more likely to hurt you than the sane&#8230; </p>
<p>so your solution would do NOTHING&#8230; </p>
<p>while most people in prison are anti social, or sociopathic, neither is a condition that we screen and separate people for. even our president can be sociopathic&#8230; </p>
<p>so, you will get the disordered thought people, the ocd, and so on&#8230; but they are not your problem, are they? </p>
<p>one of my favorites while watching documentaries is the one in which the doctor of psychiatry finds out using FMRI that he was a sociopath. and he discusses the discovery.  made him a real asshole, but he had no compulsion to murder people? hurt them? who knows but him and he aint going to tell you anyway. </p>
<p>no sergey, what you propose is a non solution based on invalid assumptions. </p>
<p>how many such people do we have in our history?<br />
actually very few if you consider what one can do with whats available (not just guns)</p>
<p>if anything, despite the worry about the internet, and availability of how to stuff, out of 300 million people what is the number your willing to create another government tax funded bureaucracy with supreme power over people to declare them and lock them away (as the soviet union did and still does)</p>
<p>personally we would do great if we could send sociaopaths somewhere, but alas, what sociopathic politician will let you make that law? </p>
<p>oh&#8230; and the feminists will see all males as mental and needing to be drugged more than they drug em now to get them to sit still (the IQ boost recently reported could have been caused by drugging the males disproportionately)</p>
<p>and the left would love to see adorno&#8217;s ideas turned into a means of sorting selecting and genociding the population (or will you allow interpatient copulation and births?)</p>
<p>Sergey, what your proposing ultimately is another form of eugenics in which the state defines the sicknesses, and the administration changes demographic outcomes for that &#8216;class&#8217;</p>
<p>where will they put the born racist white guys who are all oppressors?  </p>
<p>think that Hitler didn&#8217;t declare jews as sick? and so in acton t4 they died in hospitals?  acton t4 came before acton t14 and that was the final solution to that problem, eh? </p>
<p>you basically reinvented one of the more heinious parts of the mass murdering last century as a quick solution to a non problem.</p>
<p>here you sit and PRETEND to be against totaliarianism, while imagining totalitarian solutions to the problme of TOTAL SAFETY. </p>
<p>there is no such thing as total safety, and so there is no way to solve the problem with medical whatnot, or licenses, and state interventions constantly tweaked. there is no solution, life is inherently unsafe. </p>
<p>and while your willing to create a dictatorship to save you from such madmen, your more likely to be killed by a family member or friend&#8230; and a robbery after that&#8230; but thats if you survive the greatest killer, which is dumb luck&#8230; </p>
<p>300 million people would be subjected to medical review, or a subset who wnats or owns firearms (amounting the the same registry that hitler used to get the guns at whim), and then what? </p>
<p>would that really change things? </p>
<p>would the result be the person says to themselves. </p>
<p>oh, look&#8230; i am in a crazy mental rampage where i want to kill people and am executing the plan over weeks. i cant get a gun&#8230; now time to give up my dream of a killing spree and go back to school and be a phd.. </p>
<p>I will tell you this.. </p>
<p>i am GLAD he had guns..<br />
guns have to be aimed, and loaded, and so on.<br />
they are point devices. </p>
<p>a 15-20 gallon gasoline firebomb thrown into the crowd in the absence of gun availability and needing an alternative would have been worse, no?</p>
<p>would you also require a psychological exam in factory quantities and quality to be performed on every person buying gasoline? </p>
<p><b>so used to totalitarian thinking we can oppose totalitarianism, and yet propose totalitarianism as a solution as well&#8230;</b>  </p>
<p>talk about inured to dissonance. </p>
<p>but i guess what it is is one is opposed to totalitarianism defined by someone else, and the stuff they like that they define that others dont get to protest is just fine.  </p>
<p>so totalitarianism would be ok if we all think the same, eh?  isnt that what pc multiculti dictated culture was supposed to make happen? </p>
<p>sigh</p>
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		By: lee		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2012 00:35:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		By: lee		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2012 00:33:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In April, in Aurora CO, some guy went into a church and shot and killed one person. He might have been able to shoot and kill more, but an off duty police officer with his weapon, shot and killed the shooter. Wasn&#039;t nearly asbig a story, huh?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In April, in Aurora CO, some guy went into a church and shot and killed one person. He might have been able to shoot and kill more, but an off duty police officer with his weapon, shot and killed the shooter. Wasn&#8217;t nearly asbig a story, huh?</p>
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		By: Richard Aubrey		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/07/20/mass-murder-in-colorado/#comment-386691</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2012 21:58:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sergey.
More effective, less intrusive therapies are available. 
Two problems:  Are they effective for what ailed this guy?  Would he submit to them under the current legal regime?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sergey.<br />
More effective, less intrusive therapies are available.<br />
Two problems:  Are they effective for what ailed this guy?  Would he submit to them under the current legal regime?</p>
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		By: ziontruth		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/07/20/mass-murder-in-colorado/#comment-386645</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2012 19:24:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Would someone else in the crowd with a weapon have mattered?&quot;

Why fall into the trap of asking exactly the question the gun-grabbers want to put in the fore? It&#039;s &lt;em&gt;their&lt;/em&gt; idea that disarming the law-abiding populace could stop such massacres that should be under trial, especially as the theater was a no-gun zone but that didn&#039;t stop the murderer.

Their thesis is vacuous, and good chances are they know it. Behind so-called &quot;gun control&quot; is the same idea as &quot;You didn&#039;t build that&quot; and the pre-Reagan failure&#039;s &quot;Trust me&quot;: The idea that the &quot;little people&quot; need to let go of their pride and self-reliance and entrust their livelihood and personal security to their self-appointed betters.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Would someone else in the crowd with a weapon have mattered?&#8221;</p>
<p>Why fall into the trap of asking exactly the question the gun-grabbers want to put in the fore? It&#8217;s <em>their</em> idea that disarming the law-abiding populace could stop such massacres that should be under trial, especially as the theater was a no-gun zone but that didn&#8217;t stop the murderer.</p>
<p>Their thesis is vacuous, and good chances are they know it. Behind so-called &#8220;gun control&#8221; is the same idea as &#8220;You didn&#8217;t build that&#8221; and the pre-Reagan failure&#8217;s &#8220;Trust me&#8221;: The idea that the &#8220;little people&#8221; need to let go of their pride and self-reliance and entrust their livelihood and personal security to their self-appointed betters.</p>
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		By: SteveH		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2012 18:34:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The MSM must have a few sane pundits who have quiet moments when they know they&#039;re in deep doo doo. Which is probably why they seem so much more desperate as time goes on. They&#039;ve invested so much in narrative that is just a lie and unsustainable. Which means they themselves and their high paying positions of influence are unsustainable.

 I&#039;ll sleep better when i&#039;m sure they aren&#039;t doing much sleeping at all. The bastards deserve everything about the fate that&#039;s heading like a freight train towards them.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The MSM must have a few sane pundits who have quiet moments when they know they&#8217;re in deep doo doo. Which is probably why they seem so much more desperate as time goes on. They&#8217;ve invested so much in narrative that is just a lie and unsustainable. Which means they themselves and their high paying positions of influence are unsustainable.</p>
<p> I&#8217;ll sleep better when i&#8217;m sure they aren&#8217;t doing much sleeping at all. The bastards deserve everything about the fate that&#8217;s heading like a freight train towards them.</p>
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		By: John Dough		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2012 18:13:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m very happy that Brian Ross tried to pin the action on the Tea Party. These left leaning Media types refuse to admit that they have an agenda that pits them against anything non liberal. His accusations in the Colorado shootings prove that he a Lefty without him saying so.

Someday I hope a Tea Party member slaps the living sh*t out of him so that he can truthfully report that a Tea Party member was the cause of his black eye.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m very happy that Brian Ross tried to pin the action on the Tea Party. These left leaning Media types refuse to admit that they have an agenda that pits them against anything non liberal. His accusations in the Colorado shootings prove that he a Lefty without him saying so.</p>
<p>Someday I hope a Tea Party member slaps the living sh*t out of him so that he can truthfully report that a Tea Party member was the cause of his black eye.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2012 17:55:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It is not wise to base one&#039;s judgement on the whole industry on a single book or film. Mental institutions must be properly monitored to prevent patients abuse, but not abolished. And modern medications are much more powerful than anything existed in 1975, so there is no need in frontal lobotomies, EST therapies, straightjackets or other horrors of bygone epoch.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is not wise to base one&#8217;s judgement on the whole industry on a single book or film. Mental institutions must be properly monitored to prevent patients abuse, but not abolished. And modern medications are much more powerful than anything existed in 1975, so there is no need in frontal lobotomies, EST therapies, straightjackets or other horrors of bygone epoch.</p>
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