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		By: Richard Aubrey		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Europe&#039;s most valuable export is whatever it is that makes some Americans take them seriously.
I think it was Buckley who observed that, absent lush resorts on the Med coast, nobody goes to Europe to see anything later than the mid-nineteenth century except the cemeteries of their own dead, dead of European politics.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Europe&#8217;s most valuable export is whatever it is that makes some Americans take them seriously.<br />
I think it was Buckley who observed that, absent lush resorts on the Med coast, nobody goes to Europe to see anything later than the mid-nineteenth century except the cemeteries of their own dead, dead of European politics.</p>
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		By: Sam L.		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jun 2012 21:44:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[They are Europeans, soooooooo much smarter than we, and clearly MUST be right.  Right idiots.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They are Europeans, soooooooo much smarter than we, and clearly MUST be right.  Right idiots.</p>
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		By: Beverly		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/06/15/europeans-liking-obama-less-too/#comment-371119</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jun 2012 07:06:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The mild-mannered Kentucky senator really tore into Obama today. CSPAN carried it. Here&#039;s an excerpt:

&quot;This is a dangerous, radical administration,&quot; said McConnell.

&quot;I&#039;m going to lay out a long litany of abuses pursued by the Obama Administration and its allies against its political opponents,&quot; McConnell said. &quot;It&#039;s reminiscent of the Nixon administration. It&#039;s much more pervasive than Clinton. They have their enemies list.&quot;

McConnell is incensed over the Obama Administration&#039;s use of government and nongovernmental resources to target its political enemies. 

&quot;They&#039;ve used the IRS, the FEC, the FCC, the SEC, their allies in the Obama campaign to go after people who disagree with them. The Obama campaign has rifled through the divorce records of a major donor to an opposing super PAC. The government itself is intimidating donors. Appointees at the IRS and other agencies are pursuing similar efforts to ferret out who is contributing to outside groups critical of the Administration so that they can scare them off the playing field and shut them up.&quot;

More here, with the video of the speech itself. Worth every minute: McConnell recounts a list of shocking abuses of power by BO and company. Please pass it on.

http://aei.org/events/2012/06/15/growing-threats-to-our-first-amendment-rights/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The mild-mannered Kentucky senator really tore into Obama today. CSPAN carried it. Here&#8217;s an excerpt:</p>
<p>&#8220;This is a dangerous, radical administration,&#8221; said McConnell.</p>
<p>&#8220;I&#8217;m going to lay out a long litany of abuses pursued by the Obama Administration and its allies against its political opponents,&#8221; McConnell said. &#8220;It&#8217;s reminiscent of the Nixon administration. It&#8217;s much more pervasive than Clinton. They have their enemies list.&#8221;</p>
<p>McConnell is incensed over the Obama Administration&#8217;s use of government and nongovernmental resources to target its political enemies. </p>
<p>&#8220;They&#8217;ve used the IRS, the FEC, the FCC, the SEC, their allies in the Obama campaign to go after people who disagree with them. The Obama campaign has rifled through the divorce records of a major donor to an opposing super PAC. The government itself is intimidating donors. Appointees at the IRS and other agencies are pursuing similar efforts to ferret out who is contributing to outside groups critical of the Administration so that they can scare them off the playing field and shut them up.&#8221;</p>
<p>More here, with the video of the speech itself. Worth every minute: McConnell recounts a list of shocking abuses of power by BO and company. Please pass it on.</p>
<p><a href="http://aei.org/events/2012/06/15/growing-threats-to-our-first-amendment-rights/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://aei.org/events/2012/06/15/growing-threats-to-our-first-amendment-rights/</a></p>
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		By: Gringo		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2012 20:54:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;“All Germans have lost the right to criticize anyone for real or (especially) imagined human rights abuses for the next thousand years. Until the Thousand Year Reich would have expired, they should STFU.”&lt;/b&gt;

By the same token, Greeks who call Germans &quot;Nazis&quot;  for  refusing to keep shoveling billions of Euros down the Greek financial abyss, should also STFU.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>“All Germans have lost the right to criticize anyone for real or (especially) imagined human rights abuses for the next thousand years. Until the Thousand Year Reich would have expired, they should STFU.”</b></p>
<p>By the same token, Greeks who call Germans &#8220;Nazis&#8221;  for  refusing to keep shoveling billions of Euros down the Greek financial abyss, should also STFU.</p>
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		By: Bob from Virginia		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2012 20:18:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Claire Berlinski wrote an excellent book about European political morality called Menace in Europe.  After making an excellent argument that Europe is a moral sh*thole where anti-Americanism and antisemitism reign she chose a name for the last chapter that sumed up her thesis nicely &quot;To Hell with Europe&quot;.

It&#039;s an excellent read, strongly recommend, especially the part where she asks the reader to try guess which statements are from Goebbels and which are from a contemporary German musician.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Claire Berlinski wrote an excellent book about European political morality called Menace in Europe.  After making an excellent argument that Europe is a moral sh*thole where anti-Americanism and antisemitism reign she chose a name for the last chapter that sumed up her thesis nicely &#8220;To Hell with Europe&#8221;.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s an excellent read, strongly recommend, especially the part where she asks the reader to try guess which statements are from Goebbels and which are from a contemporary German musician.</p>
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		By: Gringo		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2012 19:49:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;“All Germans have lost the right to criticize anyone for real or (especially) imagined human rights abuses for the next thousand years. Until the Thousand Year Reich would have expired, they should STFU.”&lt;/b&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.worldpoliticsreview.com/articles/1997/do-you-remember-herta-d-ubler-gmelin&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Do You Remember Herta Dé¤ubler-Gmelin?&lt;/a&gt; Surely you remember good old Herta,  the former German Justice Minister who in 2002 compared President George W. Bush to “Adolf  Nazi” and who gratuitously called the U.S. justice system “lousy?”   Turns out her attorney father had an interesting role in administering justice: rounding up trains to send Slovakian Jews to the death camps.

&lt;blockquote&gt;
In the meanwhile, information has emerged about Dé¤ubler-Gmelin&#039;s family history that casts her 2002 remarks in a revealing new light. The fact that she was born in 1943 in what her official Bundestag biography calls &quot;PreéŸburg&quot; could already have given one cause to pause. &quot;PreéŸburg&quot; is the traditional German name for the Slovakian capital of Bratislava. In 1943, Slovakia was a satellite state of Nazi Germany. In 1939, it had been accorded formal independence, while the remainder of Czechoslovakia was occupied by German troops and transformed into a protectorate. The Czech &quot;Sudetenland&quot; had been directly annexed to the German Reich months before. 

The real power in Slovakia was vested in the German envoy Hanns Ludin. After the War, Ludin would be found guilty of war crimes and executed. Ludin&#039;s principal deputy was one Hans Gmelin. A Nazi party member and squadron-leader or &quot;Standartenfé¼hrer&quot; in the paramilitary SA, Gmelin was a jurist by training. He was one of the many jurists that the Nazis dispatched to the occupied territories and German satellite states in order to implement their &quot;new European order.&quot; He was also the father of the future German minister of justice, Herta Dé¤ubler-Gmelin.

Documentary evidence discussed in an April 25, 2005 article in the Schwé¤bische Tagblatt indicates that Hans Gmelin was directly involved in the deportation of Slovakian Jews to the Nazi death camps. As author Hans-Joachim Lang notes: 
&lt;i&gt;Whether Eichmann was announcing his arrival [in Bratislava] or railway officials came by to discuss &quot;questions relating to the shipment of Jews&quot; or the Reich Central Security Office was welcoming the Slovak government&#039;s &quot;making available of railway equipment,&quot; initials on the documents always confirmed who had been informed: for example, &quot;Gm&quot; for Gmelin.&lt;/i&gt;

An estimated 70,000 Slovakian Jews, representing over three-fourths of the pre-War Jewish population, died in the Nazi camps.  &lt;/blockquote&gt;I suspect that many Germans who get into “human rights” tizzies against the Amis are trying to displace guilt they feel over their forefathers’ horrendous acts. Message to Herta: you are not responsible for what your father did. So please stop dumping your guilt on us Amis.


I knew a fair number of Germans in Latin America , either as fellow tourists or as co-workers- most of them before unification. All impressed me as making good efforts to come to terms with Germany&#039;s actions in WW2. None of them dumped on the Amis, like Harridan Herta or others do today.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>“All Germans have lost the right to criticize anyone for real or (especially) imagined human rights abuses for the next thousand years. Until the Thousand Year Reich would have expired, they should STFU.”</b></p>
<p><a href="http://www.worldpoliticsreview.com/articles/1997/do-you-remember-herta-d-ubler-gmelin" rel="nofollow">Do You Remember Herta Dé¤ubler-Gmelin?</a> Surely you remember good old Herta,  the former German Justice Minister who in 2002 compared President George W. Bush to “Adolf  Nazi” and who gratuitously called the U.S. justice system “lousy?”   Turns out her attorney father had an interesting role in administering justice: rounding up trains to send Slovakian Jews to the death camps.</p>
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In the meanwhile, information has emerged about Dé¤ubler-Gmelin&#8217;s family history that casts her 2002 remarks in a revealing new light. The fact that she was born in 1943 in what her official Bundestag biography calls &#8220;PreéŸburg&#8221; could already have given one cause to pause. &#8220;PreéŸburg&#8221; is the traditional German name for the Slovakian capital of Bratislava. In 1943, Slovakia was a satellite state of Nazi Germany. In 1939, it had been accorded formal independence, while the remainder of Czechoslovakia was occupied by German troops and transformed into a protectorate. The Czech &#8220;Sudetenland&#8221; had been directly annexed to the German Reich months before. </p>
<p>The real power in Slovakia was vested in the German envoy Hanns Ludin. After the War, Ludin would be found guilty of war crimes and executed. Ludin&#8217;s principal deputy was one Hans Gmelin. A Nazi party member and squadron-leader or &#8220;Standartenfé¼hrer&#8221; in the paramilitary SA, Gmelin was a jurist by training. He was one of the many jurists that the Nazis dispatched to the occupied territories and German satellite states in order to implement their &#8220;new European order.&#8221; He was also the father of the future German minister of justice, Herta Dé¤ubler-Gmelin.</p>
<p>Documentary evidence discussed in an April 25, 2005 article in the Schwé¤bische Tagblatt indicates that Hans Gmelin was directly involved in the deportation of Slovakian Jews to the Nazi death camps. As author Hans-Joachim Lang notes:<br />
<i>Whether Eichmann was announcing his arrival [in Bratislava] or railway officials came by to discuss &#8220;questions relating to the shipment of Jews&#8221; or the Reich Central Security Office was welcoming the Slovak government&#8217;s &#8220;making available of railway equipment,&#8221; initials on the documents always confirmed who had been informed: for example, &#8220;Gm&#8221; for Gmelin.</i></p>
<p>An estimated 70,000 Slovakian Jews, representing over three-fourths of the pre-War Jewish population, died in the Nazi camps.  </p></blockquote>
<p>I suspect that many Germans who get into “human rights” tizzies against the Amis are trying to displace guilt they feel over their forefathers’ horrendous acts. Message to Herta: you are not responsible for what your father did. So please stop dumping your guilt on us Amis.</p>
<p>I knew a fair number of Germans in Latin America , either as fellow tourists or as co-workers- most of them before unification. All impressed me as making good efforts to come to terms with Germany&#8217;s actions in WW2. None of them dumped on the Amis, like Harridan Herta or others do today.</p>
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		By: texexec		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2012 19:03:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;All Germans have lost the right to criticize anyone for real or (especially) imagined human rights abuses for the next thousand years. Until the Thousand Year Reich would have expired, they should STFU.&quot;

I&#039;m half German but I agree with that completely.

I&#039;m watching a BBC series on NetFlix about Auschwitz...how it evolved from a small operation mostly for Polish POWs to the full blown horror it became.

German bureaucrats, engineers, and architects sat around in meetings discussing how to improve the process of murdering human beings with no more feeling than I had as a chemical engineer sitting in meetings discussing how to optimize the operation of a styrene/ethyl benzene distillation tower.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;All Germans have lost the right to criticize anyone for real or (especially) imagined human rights abuses for the next thousand years. Until the Thousand Year Reich would have expired, they should STFU.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m half German but I agree with that completely.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m watching a BBC series on NetFlix about Auschwitz&#8230;how it evolved from a small operation mostly for Polish POWs to the full blown horror it became.</p>
<p>German bureaucrats, engineers, and architects sat around in meetings discussing how to improve the process of murdering human beings with no more feeling than I had as a chemical engineer sitting in meetings discussing how to optimize the operation of a styrene/ethyl benzene distillation tower.</p>
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		By: Occam's Beard		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2012 17:08:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Re &lt;i&gt;Spiegel&#039;s&lt;/i&gt; leftism, we tend to forget that, starting even before Marx, Germany has had a strong far left contingent that was kept under wraps by authoritarian governments. For example, IIRC, Bavaria established a Soviet government after WWI that was forcibly suppressed by the Weimar Republic, and the Spartacists attempted to do the same in Berlin.

Similarly, in the inter-war period, the KPD routinely broke up meetings of political opponents and terrorized them in running street battles. In fact, the SA was established to provide security for NSDAP meetings, and to battle the KPD in the streets. 

Hitler rose to power primarily because he and his party were seen as the only force that could effectively fight the communists (literally). Leftists today cite industrialists&#039; support for the Nazis as evidence of the industrialists&#039; perfidy, but that support was reluctant and offered largely because the alternative was the communists (who made only too clear that they planned to follow the Russian model chapter and verse, whereas one could hope that Nazi rhetorical excesses were just that). 

God save us from having to make that sort of Hobson&#039;s choice. 

But Germany probably hasn&#039;t so much &lt;i&gt;turned&lt;/i&gt; left, its leftism is just more apparent now. 

What say you, expat? Off base, or no?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re <i>Spiegel&#8217;s</i> leftism, we tend to forget that, starting even before Marx, Germany has had a strong far left contingent that was kept under wraps by authoritarian governments. For example, IIRC, Bavaria established a Soviet government after WWI that was forcibly suppressed by the Weimar Republic, and the Spartacists attempted to do the same in Berlin.</p>
<p>Similarly, in the inter-war period, the KPD routinely broke up meetings of political opponents and terrorized them in running street battles. In fact, the SA was established to provide security for NSDAP meetings, and to battle the KPD in the streets. </p>
<p>Hitler rose to power primarily because he and his party were seen as the only force that could effectively fight the communists (literally). Leftists today cite industrialists&#8217; support for the Nazis as evidence of the industrialists&#8217; perfidy, but that support was reluctant and offered largely because the alternative was the communists (who made only too clear that they planned to follow the Russian model chapter and verse, whereas one could hope that Nazi rhetorical excesses were just that). </p>
<p>God save us from having to make that sort of Hobson&#8217;s choice. </p>
<p>But Germany probably hasn&#8217;t so much <i>turned</i> left, its leftism is just more apparent now. </p>
<p>What say you, expat? Off base, or no?</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2012 16:57:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Occam&#039;s,

Michael Moore&#039;s book on Bush sold more copies in Germany than in the US. Few have heard of oil for food. They think the UN is great. What more can I say?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Occam&#8217;s,</p>
<p>Michael Moore&#8217;s book on Bush sold more copies in Germany than in the US. Few have heard of oil for food. They think the UN is great. What more can I say?</p>
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		By: Gringo		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2012 16:57:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;kcom&lt;/i&gt; quoting Del Spiegel:&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;“But would their candidate Mitt Romney, the mysterious, filthy rich Mormon, be the better president? Most certainly not.”&lt;/i&gt; &lt;/blockquote&gt;Del Spiegel certainly thought that filthy rich John Kerry would have made a better President than George W. Bush. John Kerry, who married money, while Mitt Romney made money the old fashioned way- he earned it.

&lt;i&gt;kcom&lt;/i&gt;, good rejoinders at the Althouse link.
Dring the 2008 Presidential  campaign, the left-wing German newspaper  &lt;i&gt; Die Tageszeitung&lt;/i&gt; referred to the White House as &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&#038;as_q=cabin&#038;as_epq=&#038;as_oq=&#038;as_eq=&#038;as_nlo=&#038;as_nhi=&#038;lr=&#038;cr=&#038;as_qdr=all&#038;as_sitesearch=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.medienkritik.typepad.com&#038;as_occt=any&#038;safe=images&#038;tbs=&#038;as_filetype=&#038;as_rights=#hl=en&#038;lr=&#038;as_qdr=all&#038;q=%22uncle+Barack%27s+Cabin%22&#038;oq=%22uncle+Barack%27s+Cabin%22&#038;aq=f&#038;aqi=g-lK1g-K1g-lK1&#038;aql=&#038;gs_l=serp.12..0i13i30j0i30j0i13i30.403376.409182.0.412654.22.22.0.0.0.0.438.4499.0j16j3j2j1.22.0...0.0.h-3K8R3zh3A&#038;pbx=1&#038;bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&#038;fp=97c5faaa4d036497&#038;biw=1280&#038;bih=881&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Uncle Barack’s Cabin&lt;/a&gt;, with the obvious reference to Uncle Tom’s Cabin. This was a left-wing pro-Obama German newspaper. Imagine the PC ruckus in the US if a wingnut referred the the White House as “Uncle Barack’s Cabin.”


It shows the German left is rather tone-deaf when it comes the the Amis.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>kcom</i> quoting Del Spiegel:</p>
<blockquote><p><i>“But would their candidate Mitt Romney, the mysterious, filthy rich Mormon, be the better president? Most certainly not.”</i> </p></blockquote>
<p>Del Spiegel certainly thought that filthy rich John Kerry would have made a better President than George W. Bush. John Kerry, who married money, while Mitt Romney made money the old fashioned way- he earned it.</p>
<p><i>kcom</i>, good rejoinders at the Althouse link.<br />
Dring the 2008 Presidential  campaign, the left-wing German newspaper  <i> Die Tageszeitung</i> referred to the White House as <a href="https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&amp;as_q=cabin&amp;as_epq=&amp;as_oq=&amp;as_eq=&amp;as_nlo=&amp;as_nhi=&amp;lr=&amp;cr=&amp;as_qdr=all&amp;as_sitesearch=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.medienkritik.typepad.com&amp;as_occt=any&amp;safe=images&amp;tbs=&amp;as_filetype=&amp;as_rights=#hl=en&amp;lr=&amp;as_qdr=all&amp;q=%22uncle+Barack%27s+Cabin%22&amp;oq=%22uncle+Barack%27s+Cabin%22&amp;aq=f&amp;aqi=g-lK1g-K1g-lK1&amp;aql=&amp;gs_l=serp.12..0i13i30j0i30j0i13i30.403376.409182.0.412654.22.22.0.0.0.0.438.4499.0j16j3j2j1.22.0...0.0.h-3K8R3zh3A&amp;pbx=1&amp;bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&amp;fp=97c5faaa4d036497&amp;biw=1280&amp;bih=881" rel="nofollow">Uncle Barack’s Cabin</a>, with the obvious reference to Uncle Tom’s Cabin. This was a left-wing pro-Obama German newspaper. Imagine the PC ruckus in the US if a wingnut referred the the White House as “Uncle Barack’s Cabin.”</p>
<p>It shows the German left is rather tone-deaf when it comes the the Amis.</p>
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