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					<description><![CDATA[ISTR Fifth International Conference
Cape Town, South Africa / July 7-10, 2002
Transforming Civil Society, Citizenship and Governance: The Third Sector in an Era of Global (Dis)Order

The paper summarizes major results of original qualitative surveys conducted by the author in two major American foundations that operated in Russian science after the disintegration of the USSR - the International Science Foundation (ISF) established in 1992 by American multimillionaire George Soros with the budget of $100M

fun starts when you track down things like  Definition of the Third sector

the reason is that, as i keep saying, they speak in codes and terms not straight speech. 

the Third Sector, like the Fifth Column (social fronts like feminism) is another army of subversion.. 

its the volunteer organizations, saul alinsky (see a soviet with vpered with similar name), and others are all running things now.. 

&lt;blockquote&gt;
The third sector includes a very diverse range of organisations including some or all of the following components:

Voluntary organisations:

    &lt;b&gt;Community groups
    Tenants and residents groups
    Faith groups
    Housing Associations
    Most co-operatives and social enterprises (provided profits are retained for the benefit of the members or community served)
    Most sports organisations
    Grant making trusts
    Private clubs&lt;/b&gt;

Organisations can take a variety of forms including one or more of the following:

    Mutuals
    Community interest companies
    Industrial and provident societies
    Not for profit trade associations
    Charitable trusts
    Companies limited by guarantee
    Unincorporated groups

Sandwell has adopted a tiered definition which is increasingly targeted and specific. The high level definition includes all of the components listed above, whilst fewer components are included in more specific or targeted applications of the definition. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

now, look up community organizer and third sector... 

and you get an explosion of policy papers, theory, names of agencies like soros big one... and so on. 

Partnership, the Big Society and community organizing: between romanticizing, problematizing and politicizing community

&lt;blockquote&gt;
The shift to neo-liberal forms of capitalism throughout much of the world in recent decades has had a significant impact upon the practices of third-sector organizations. According to DeFilippis, Fisher and Shragge (2010), the impact has probably been most pronounced in the United States, United Kingdom and Canada. Against the background of neo-liberal hegemony, this article examines the effect of this changing context on the third sector in the United Kingdom, focusing in particular on ‘partnership’ and the ‘Big Society’ as key narratives shaping assumptions about the nature of social change and the respective roles of the state, market and third sector.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

as i said.. 
you can read what they are GOING to do if you find the thread of what they discussed over the years that cover what they are now doing. 
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ISTR Fifth International Conference<br />
Cape Town, South Africa / July 7-10, 2002<br />
Transforming Civil Society, Citizenship and Governance: The Third Sector in an Era of Global (Dis)Order</p>
<p>The paper summarizes major results of original qualitative surveys conducted by the author in two major American foundations that operated in Russian science after the disintegration of the USSR &#8211; the International Science Foundation (ISF) established in 1992 by American multimillionaire George Soros with the budget of $100M</p>
<p>fun starts when you track down things like  Definition of the Third sector</p>
<p>the reason is that, as i keep saying, they speak in codes and terms not straight speech. </p>
<p>the Third Sector, like the Fifth Column (social fronts like feminism) is another army of subversion.. </p>
<p>its the volunteer organizations, saul alinsky (see a soviet with vpered with similar name), and others are all running things now.. </p>
<blockquote><p>
The third sector includes a very diverse range of organisations including some or all of the following components:</p>
<p>Voluntary organisations:</p>
<p>    <b>Community groups<br />
    Tenants and residents groups<br />
    Faith groups<br />
    Housing Associations<br />
    Most co-operatives and social enterprises (provided profits are retained for the benefit of the members or community served)<br />
    Most sports organisations<br />
    Grant making trusts<br />
    Private clubs</b></p>
<p>Organisations can take a variety of forms including one or more of the following:</p>
<p>    Mutuals<br />
    Community interest companies<br />
    Industrial and provident societies<br />
    Not for profit trade associations<br />
    Charitable trusts<br />
    Companies limited by guarantee<br />
    Unincorporated groups</p>
<p>Sandwell has adopted a tiered definition which is increasingly targeted and specific. The high level definition includes all of the components listed above, whilst fewer components are included in more specific or targeted applications of the definition. </p></blockquote>
<p>now, look up community organizer and third sector&#8230; </p>
<p>and you get an explosion of policy papers, theory, names of agencies like soros big one&#8230; and so on. </p>
<p>Partnership, the Big Society and community organizing: between romanticizing, problematizing and politicizing community</p>
<blockquote><p>
The shift to neo-liberal forms of capitalism throughout much of the world in recent decades has had a significant impact upon the practices of third-sector organizations. According to DeFilippis, Fisher and Shragge (2010), the impact has probably been most pronounced in the United States, United Kingdom and Canada. Against the background of neo-liberal hegemony, this article examines the effect of this changing context on the third sector in the United Kingdom, focusing in particular on ‘partnership’ and the ‘Big Society’ as key narratives shaping assumptions about the nature of social change and the respective roles of the state, market and third sector.</p></blockquote>
<p>as i said..<br />
you can read what they are GOING to do if you find the thread of what they discussed over the years that cover what they are now doing.<br />
[edited for length by n-n]</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2012 17:31:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[an exclusive connect the dots for NEO...  :) 

Recently obtained evidence from the updated records of Illinois ACORN at the Wisconsin Historical Society now definitively establishes that Obama was a member of the New Party. 

He also signed a “contract” promising to publicly support and associate himself with the New Party while in office.

Minutes of the meeting on January 11, 1996, of the New Party’s Chicago chapter read as follows:

Barack Obama, candidate for State Senate in the 13th Legislative District, gave a statement to the membership and answered questions. He signed the New Party “Candidate Contract” and requested an  endorsement from the New Party. He also joined the New Party.

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/302031/obamas-third-party-history-stanley-kurtz


and for those not in the know (that by focusing on the erroneous german connection we ignore the soviet one)

Vpered
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vpered
Vpered (1909 - 1912) was an organisation within Russian Social Democracy set up by Alexander Bogdanov in December 1909...

&lt;blockquote&gt;
The group retained a strong role for the intellectuals as advocated by Lenin in What is to be done?. However, Lenin had developed a new view which allowed for the working class a greater role in developing their own ideology. Bogdanov sowed the seeds of Vpered at the Conference of the Extended Editorial Board of Proletary which Lenin called in Paris, in June 1909 in Paris. He presented his Statement to the Editorial Board of Proletary. In this text he raised the issue of the &quot;practical work&quot; of &quot;widening and deepening of fully socialist propaganda&quot; amongst the working class. He claimed that the editors of Proletarii had not properly attended to the intellectual development of workers. He said that the lack of any &quot;theoretical and historical&quot; elaboration of the people&#039;s armed struggle against the autocracy meant the absence of &quot;conscious leaders&quot; in workers&#039; organizations. The intelligentsia were necessary to train workers as conscious leaders. With the departure of many intellectuals from the Party, the few intellectuals remaining in its rank should train workers would form the new party leadership. Bogdanov proposed to meet this challenge by organising &quot;Proletarian Universities&quot; Such as the Capri Party School that autumn.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

but THATS not the important part...
thats just the core and so forth.. 

Pavel Ivanovich Lebedev-Polianskii 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pavel_Lebedev-Polianskii
&lt;blockquote&gt;In 1914, he reconstituted Vpered arguing that the reason why so many European socialists supported the First World War indicated that socialist ideology was weak - something which could be addressd by scientific and socialist education.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

but THATS not the important part...
thats just a station along the trip 

note the link is to RUSSIA

VPERED (“FORWARD”) SOCIALIST MOVEMENT
http://vpered.org.ru/index.php?category=14
&lt;blockquote&gt;
The VPERED (“Forward”) Socialist Movement is a Russian revolutionary Marxist organization that was founded in 2005. It works in several regions of Russia: Moscow, Nizhny Novgorod, Samara, Saint Petersburg, Saratov, Tyumen, and Yaroslavl.

A Marxist organization cannot exist without deep ties to the revolutionary tradition. &lt;b&gt;VPERED considers itself an heir to the legacy of Bolshevism, the International Left Opposition, and the Fourth International, as well as the riches of creative Marxist thought, worker self-organization throughout the world, the anti-imperialist struggle, and the proletarian resistance to bureaucratic dictatorship in the USSR.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

and pray tell what is &quot;Fourth International&quot;
[before i say, i will point out that you can find my comments from neo all over the blogosphere now... (but not the witticisms)]

&lt;i&gt;The &quot;Third International&quot;, known as the Communist International or &quot;Comintern&quot;, was founded by Vladimir Lenin in 1919, after the failure of the Second International at the start of World War I, and was dissolved in 1943.&lt;/i&gt;

and so HERE is the IMPORTANT thing:
Fourth International
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_International

get it before its scrubbed... changed... etc

&lt;blockquote&gt;The Fourth International (FI) (founded in 1938) is the communist international organisation consisting of followers of Leon Trotsky (Trotskyists), with the declared dedicated goal of helping the working class bring about socialism. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

and 
&lt;blockquote&gt;
The reunified Fourth International is the only current with direct organisational continuity to the original Fourth International at an international level. The International Committee and International Secretariat reunified at the 1963 congress, but without the Socialist Labour League and Internationalist Communist Organisation...

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

&lt;i&gt;Other Trotskyist groups argue that the Fourth International is dead. They call for the establishment of a new &quot;workers&#039; international&quot; or a Fifth International&lt;/i&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

oh.. the fifth international..
(can you imagine your average leftist who cant check mcarthy and assumes facts following the chain this far?)

Fifth International
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifth_International

remember obama hugging chavez, and others? ever wonder why in a REAL way? 

League for the Fifth International
(told you league meant communist)

&lt;blockquote&gt;
In 2003, the League for a Revolutionary Communist International called for the formation of the Fifth International &quot;as soon as possible - not in the distant future but in the months and years ahead&quot;
-=-=-=-=-=-
&lt;b&gt;which has since grown significantly and as of 2010 has sections in Austria, Britain, Czech Republic, Germany, Pakistan, Sweden, Sri Lanka (the Socialist Party of Sri Lanka) and the United States.&lt;/b&gt; The League for the Fifth International campaigns in the European Social Forum and the international labour movement for the formation of a new International.
-=-=-=-=-=-
&lt;b&gt;Hugo Ché¡vez announced in 2007 that he would seek to create a new international, which because of the size of the United Socialist Party of Venezuela could become an actual fifth international: &quot;2008 could be a good time to convoke a meeting of left parties in Latin America to organise a new international, an organisation of parties and movements of the left in Latin America and the Caribbean&quot;&lt;/b&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

oh... so the Vpered social democrats have reonstituted the comminterm... its global &quot;great game&quot; and is heading towards what the prior internationals pushed everyone to. 

now. if only someone knew back in say... 2008, that this stuff was being put together and if only said person told someone else.. 

eh?    (i did)

&lt;blockquote&gt;
It was reported that the Bolivian Movement for Socialism, International Marxist Tendency, the Salvadoran FMLN, the Nicaraguan FSLN, the Ecuadorian PAIS Alliance, the Chilean Proposal for an Alternative Society, the Guatemalan New Nation Alliance, and the Australian Socialist Alliance are likely to join the new International. Representatives of the Portuguese Left Bloc, the German Left Party, and the French Left Party expressed interest but said they would need to consult. The Communist Party of Cuba seemed to favour the proposal, but many other Communist Parties were strongly opposed.[8] The League for the Fifth International critically supports the proposal.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

anyone want to go over that list and compare it to the list of countries with new leaders and in play? 

hows this in fiction:
&lt;blockquote&gt;
The plot of The Fifth Internationale, a thriller by author Jack King, is built around the premise that after the collapse of the Soviet Union and its allies, and the subsequent re-organization or dismantling of the various countries&#039; intelligence and security agencies, their agents formed a pan-international organization called The Fifth Internationale.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

funny, but that is a fictionalization of what a real spy, Golytsin, revealed... but if you make it a sci fi story, no one will believe reality is that (even if they copy from reality)

League for the Fifth International
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/League_for_the_Fifth_International

&quot;&lt;b&gt;They also believe in permanent revolution / They believe imperialism is world capitalism, like Lenin, rather than just militarism and war. / They see the current stage of their life as being a &#039;fighting propaganda group&#039;&lt;/b&gt;&quot;

and whats the punchline? 
next post]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>an exclusive connect the dots for NEO&#8230;  🙂 </p>
<p>Recently obtained evidence from the updated records of Illinois ACORN at the Wisconsin Historical Society now definitively establishes that Obama was a member of the New Party. </p>
<p>He also signed a “contract” promising to publicly support and associate himself with the New Party while in office.</p>
<p>Minutes of the meeting on January 11, 1996, of the New Party’s Chicago chapter read as follows:</p>
<p>Barack Obama, candidate for State Senate in the 13th Legislative District, gave a statement to the membership and answered questions. He signed the New Party “Candidate Contract” and requested an  endorsement from the New Party. He also joined the New Party.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/302031/obamas-third-party-history-stanley-kurtz" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/302031/obamas-third-party-history-stanley-kurtz</a></p>
<p>and for those not in the know (that by focusing on the erroneous german connection we ignore the soviet one)</p>
<p>Vpered<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vpered" rel="nofollow ugc">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vpered</a><br />
Vpered (1909 &#8211; 1912) was an organisation within Russian Social Democracy set up by Alexander Bogdanov in December 1909&#8230;</p>
<blockquote><p>
The group retained a strong role for the intellectuals as advocated by Lenin in What is to be done?. However, Lenin had developed a new view which allowed for the working class a greater role in developing their own ideology. Bogdanov sowed the seeds of Vpered at the Conference of the Extended Editorial Board of Proletary which Lenin called in Paris, in June 1909 in Paris. He presented his Statement to the Editorial Board of Proletary. In this text he raised the issue of the &#8220;practical work&#8221; of &#8220;widening and deepening of fully socialist propaganda&#8221; amongst the working class. He claimed that the editors of Proletarii had not properly attended to the intellectual development of workers. He said that the lack of any &#8220;theoretical and historical&#8221; elaboration of the people&#8217;s armed struggle against the autocracy meant the absence of &#8220;conscious leaders&#8221; in workers&#8217; organizations. The intelligentsia were necessary to train workers as conscious leaders. With the departure of many intellectuals from the Party, the few intellectuals remaining in its rank should train workers would form the new party leadership. Bogdanov proposed to meet this challenge by organising &#8220;Proletarian Universities&#8221; Such as the Capri Party School that autumn.</p></blockquote>
<p>but THATS not the important part&#8230;<br />
thats just the core and so forth.. </p>
<p>Pavel Ivanovich Lebedev-Polianskii<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pavel_Lebedev-Polianskii" rel="nofollow ugc">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pavel_Lebedev-Polianskii</a></p>
<blockquote><p>In 1914, he reconstituted Vpered arguing that the reason why so many European socialists supported the First World War indicated that socialist ideology was weak &#8211; something which could be addressd by scientific and socialist education.
</p></blockquote>
<p>but THATS not the important part&#8230;<br />
thats just a station along the trip </p>
<p>note the link is to RUSSIA</p>
<p>VPERED (“FORWARD”) SOCIALIST MOVEMENT<br />
<a href="http://vpered.org.ru/index.php?category=14" rel="nofollow ugc">http://vpered.org.ru/index.php?category=14</a></p>
<blockquote><p>
The VPERED (“Forward”) Socialist Movement is a Russian revolutionary Marxist organization that was founded in 2005. It works in several regions of Russia: Moscow, Nizhny Novgorod, Samara, Saint Petersburg, Saratov, Tyumen, and Yaroslavl.</p>
<p>A Marxist organization cannot exist without deep ties to the revolutionary tradition. <b>VPERED considers itself an heir to the legacy of Bolshevism, the International Left Opposition, and the Fourth International, as well as the riches of creative Marxist thought, worker self-organization throughout the world, the anti-imperialist struggle, and the proletarian resistance to bureaucratic dictatorship in the USSR.</b></p></blockquote>
<p>and pray tell what is &#8220;Fourth International&#8221;<br />
[before i say, i will point out that you can find my comments from neo all over the blogosphere now&#8230; (but not the witticisms)]</p>
<p><i>The &#8220;Third International&#8221;, known as the Communist International or &#8220;Comintern&#8221;, was founded by Vladimir Lenin in 1919, after the failure of the Second International at the start of World War I, and was dissolved in 1943.</i></p>
<p>and so HERE is the IMPORTANT thing:<br />
Fourth International<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_International" rel="nofollow ugc">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_International</a></p>
<p>get it before its scrubbed&#8230; changed&#8230; etc</p>
<blockquote><p>The Fourth International (FI) (founded in 1938) is the communist international organisation consisting of followers of Leon Trotsky (Trotskyists), with the declared dedicated goal of helping the working class bring about socialism. </p></blockquote>
<p>and </p>
<blockquote><p>
The reunified Fourth International is the only current with direct organisational continuity to the original Fourth International at an international level. The International Committee and International Secretariat reunified at the 1963 congress, but without the Socialist Labour League and Internationalist Communist Organisation&#8230;</p>
<p>-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-</p>
<p><i>Other Trotskyist groups argue that the Fourth International is dead. They call for the establishment of a new &#8220;workers&#8217; international&#8221; or a Fifth International</i>
</p></blockquote>
<p>oh.. the fifth international..<br />
(can you imagine your average leftist who cant check mcarthy and assumes facts following the chain this far?)</p>
<p>Fifth International<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifth_International" rel="nofollow ugc">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifth_International</a></p>
<p>remember obama hugging chavez, and others? ever wonder why in a REAL way? </p>
<p>League for the Fifth International<br />
(told you league meant communist)</p>
<blockquote><p>
In 2003, the League for a Revolutionary Communist International called for the formation of the Fifth International &#8220;as soon as possible &#8211; not in the distant future but in the months and years ahead&#8221;<br />
-=-=-=-=-=-<br />
<b>which has since grown significantly and as of 2010 has sections in Austria, Britain, Czech Republic, Germany, Pakistan, Sweden, Sri Lanka (the Socialist Party of Sri Lanka) and the United States.</b> The League for the Fifth International campaigns in the European Social Forum and the international labour movement for the formation of a new International.<br />
-=-=-=-=-=-<br />
<b>Hugo Ché¡vez announced in 2007 that he would seek to create a new international, which because of the size of the United Socialist Party of Venezuela could become an actual fifth international: &#8220;2008 could be a good time to convoke a meeting of left parties in Latin America to organise a new international, an organisation of parties and movements of the left in Latin America and the Caribbean&#8221;</b>
</p></blockquote>
<p>oh&#8230; so the Vpered social democrats have reonstituted the comminterm&#8230; its global &#8220;great game&#8221; and is heading towards what the prior internationals pushed everyone to. </p>
<p>now. if only someone knew back in say&#8230; 2008, that this stuff was being put together and if only said person told someone else.. </p>
<p>eh?    (i did)</p>
<blockquote><p>
It was reported that the Bolivian Movement for Socialism, International Marxist Tendency, the Salvadoran FMLN, the Nicaraguan FSLN, the Ecuadorian PAIS Alliance, the Chilean Proposal for an Alternative Society, the Guatemalan New Nation Alliance, and the Australian Socialist Alliance are likely to join the new International. Representatives of the Portuguese Left Bloc, the German Left Party, and the French Left Party expressed interest but said they would need to consult. The Communist Party of Cuba seemed to favour the proposal, but many other Communist Parties were strongly opposed.[8] The League for the Fifth International critically supports the proposal.
</p></blockquote>
<p>anyone want to go over that list and compare it to the list of countries with new leaders and in play? </p>
<p>hows this in fiction:</p>
<blockquote><p>
The plot of The Fifth Internationale, a thriller by author Jack King, is built around the premise that after the collapse of the Soviet Union and its allies, and the subsequent re-organization or dismantling of the various countries&#8217; intelligence and security agencies, their agents formed a pan-international organization called The Fifth Internationale.
</p></blockquote>
<p>funny, but that is a fictionalization of what a real spy, Golytsin, revealed&#8230; but if you make it a sci fi story, no one will believe reality is that (even if they copy from reality)</p>
<p>League for the Fifth International<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/League_for_the_Fifth_International" rel="nofollow ugc">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/League_for_the_Fifth_International</a></p>
<p>&#8220;<b>They also believe in permanent revolution / They believe imperialism is world capitalism, like Lenin, rather than just militarism and war. / They see the current stage of their life as being a &#8216;fighting propaganda group&#8217;</b>&#8221;</p>
<p>and whats the punchline?<br />
next post</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2012 13:38:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The large clang we just heard was the cognitive dissonance of the Left collapsing after the Walker victory. For months all they could talk about was how the people of Wisconsin were going to take back their state from the vast right wing conspiracy. After all, didn&#039;t a bunch of unwashed students and union goons from Illinois occupy the Capitol building in Madison? What further proof did anyone need that Walker and his minions would be sent packing? 
Seeing Rachel Maddow&#039;s smirk vanish in the 49 minutes it took for the networks to go from crowing that the race was &quot;too close to call&quot; to awarding the victory to Walker was almost worth the crap we endured in the past few months.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The large clang we just heard was the cognitive dissonance of the Left collapsing after the Walker victory. For months all they could talk about was how the people of Wisconsin were going to take back their state from the vast right wing conspiracy. After all, didn&#8217;t a bunch of unwashed students and union goons from Illinois occupy the Capitol building in Madison? What further proof did anyone need that Walker and his minions would be sent packing?<br />
Seeing Rachel Maddow&#8217;s smirk vanish in the 49 minutes it took for the networks to go from crowing that the race was &#8220;too close to call&#8221; to awarding the victory to Walker was almost worth the crap we endured in the past few months.</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[wowsers trousers. Time hits it on the head! Unlike that dottering old fool Hugh Hefner. Can you imagine how frustrating it must be to live out his life? How a life of pure lust and gluttony, now precluded by the advances of old age, demand obedience but cannot be obeyed? (Wow, where in the hell did that come from?) 

&quot;Walker won not despite his refusal to compromise but because of it. He cast himself as a politician of conviction, even when his convictions might not be popular. Voters may bemoan the absence of bipartisanship, but the truth is that most prefer their elected leaders to be ideologues.&quot;

http://swampland.time.com/2012/06/05/uncompromised-why-scott-walker-survived-his-recall/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wowsers trousers. Time hits it on the head! Unlike that dottering old fool Hugh Hefner. Can you imagine how frustrating it must be to live out his life? How a life of pure lust and gluttony, now precluded by the advances of old age, demand obedience but cannot be obeyed? (Wow, where in the hell did that come from?) </p>
<p>&#8220;Walker won not despite his refusal to compromise but because of it. He cast himself as a politician of conviction, even when his convictions might not be popular. Voters may bemoan the absence of bipartisanship, but the truth is that most prefer their elected leaders to be ideologues.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://swampland.time.com/2012/06/05/uncompromised-why-scott-walker-survived-his-recall/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://swampland.time.com/2012/06/05/uncompromised-why-scott-walker-survived-his-recall/</a></p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2012 04:16:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Neo neo you hit the reason for this odd delusional behavior when you noted that the left, in general, as trouble acknowledging that the other side has any merit to their point of view.  

The left tends to arrive at their positions via emotional reaction not dispassionate reasoning.

These points mean that if the other side wins it can&#039;t be we the left were wrong (and therefore need to reexamine our positions) it must be due to manipulation or messaging or more money etc.

Not too long ago I read several opinion columns from the left discussing Obama&#039;s reelection strategy for ideas/inspiration.  

What was amusing is that they were studying Reagan&#039;s reelection strategy.  He won not because his policies were superior - that obviously could not be the case - but because he communicated better i.e. he fooled people into believing they were better off than they were.

If an honest self evaluation of positions is not an option than falling back on excuses like poor communication and messaging and money etc that&#039;s all that&#039;s left.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neo neo you hit the reason for this odd delusional behavior when you noted that the left, in general, as trouble acknowledging that the other side has any merit to their point of view.  </p>
<p>The left tends to arrive at their positions via emotional reaction not dispassionate reasoning.</p>
<p>These points mean that if the other side wins it can&#8217;t be we the left were wrong (and therefore need to reexamine our positions) it must be due to manipulation or messaging or more money etc.</p>
<p>Not too long ago I read several opinion columns from the left discussing Obama&#8217;s reelection strategy for ideas/inspiration.  </p>
<p>What was amusing is that they were studying Reagan&#8217;s reelection strategy.  He won not because his policies were superior &#8211; that obviously could not be the case &#8211; but because he communicated better i.e. he fooled people into believing they were better off than they were.</p>
<p>If an honest self evaluation of positions is not an option than falling back on excuses like poor communication and messaging and money etc that&#8217;s all that&#8217;s left.</p>
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		By: Molly NH		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/06/06/recalling-the-recall/#comment-366756</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2012 03:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Again gringo it s just as rielly said a DNC talking point, this was the spin they pre determined to put on the results.  As you are pointing out some of the actuall spending shows they were closer to equal !!   I also read the conservative WI citizens were very infuriated about what those goons did to their state capitol back last yr &#038; the money it cost to clean it up &#038; pay the cops overtime.
So the voters had a score to settle.
Go badgers !!!!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again gringo it s just as rielly said a DNC talking point, this was the spin they pre determined to put on the results.  As you are pointing out some of the actuall spending shows they were closer to equal !!   I also read the conservative WI citizens were very infuriated about what those goons did to their state capitol back last yr &amp; the money it cost to clean it up &amp; pay the cops overtime.<br />
So the voters had a score to settle.<br />
Go badgers !!!!</p>
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		By: Molly NH		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2012 03:14:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yeah Gringo I totally know what you re saying.
Amazingly O reilly had a great segment with them liberal dames he often has on &quot;leslie marshall &#038; Maryanne&quot;  ( I am not a huge oreilly fan, he is so fullof himself but...) he did call out this leslie when she started those DNC talking points &quot;ya da ya da Walker out spent barret 18 million to 4 blah blah &quot;  Oreilly jumped all over her !!!! It was a thing of beauty.  He even said she did nt answer the question, wasn t this all because money notwithstanding &quot;You do not have a message, what you are saying does not resonate with voters no matter how much money you throw at it &quot; Loved it, loved it, loved it!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah Gringo I totally know what you re saying.<br />
Amazingly O reilly had a great segment with them liberal dames he often has on &#8220;leslie marshall &amp; Maryanne&#8221;  ( I am not a huge oreilly fan, he is so fullof himself but&#8230;) he did call out this leslie when she started those DNC talking points &#8220;ya da ya da Walker out spent barret 18 million to 4 blah blah &#8221;  Oreilly jumped all over her !!!! It was a thing of beauty.  He even said she did nt answer the question, wasn t this all because money notwithstanding &#8220;You do not have a message, what you are saying does not resonate with voters no matter how much money you throw at it &#8221; Loved it, loved it, loved it!</p>
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		By: Gringo		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/06/06/recalling-the-recall/#comment-366747</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2012 03:10:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;a href=&quot;http://grimbeorn.blogspot.com/2012/06/trying-to-sort-out-numbers-on-wisconsin.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Grim’s Hall&lt;/a&gt;  has collected three different takes from the WWW on what was spent on the campaign. 
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt; 1)  $63.5M total was spent on the elections, with $22M coming from outside superPACs.  Union money amounted to around $5.5M, although the wording of the story makes the precise figure a little unclear.  There was an eight-to-one advantage for the Republican candidate for governor over the Democrat.

2)   Big Labor spent $21M on the elections.  Democrats and their backers spent $23.4M, with &quot;outside groups&quot; who were against Republicans spending $18.6M.  I&#039;m not clear from the wording here whether that 18.6M is out of the $23.4, or additional.

3)  $44M total was spent on the elections, with Democrats outspending Republicans $23.4M to $20.5M.  There was a Democratic advantage even on outside spending, with outside Democrat-leaning money coming to $18.6M to Republican outsiders $15.9M. &lt;/i&gt; &lt;/blockquote&gt; Money spent should also include what was spent on the Recall campaign on on the primary. I find it hard to believe that with with Big Labor’s resources, the Pubs outspent the Demos 8-1 for the whole campaign- from  the Recall campaign on through election day. How much did Big Labor spend on the unsuccessful far left primary candidate for governor?

For the Demos weeping about how they were vastly outspent- a dubious proposition-  they picked the fight.

In comparing how the counties voted  yesterday with how they voted in  2010, by and large both the Pubs and the Demos  increased their winning margins in 2012 in counties they took in 2010.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://grimbeorn.blogspot.com/2012/06/trying-to-sort-out-numbers-on-wisconsin.html" rel="nofollow">Grim’s Hall</a>  has collected three different takes from the WWW on what was spent on the campaign. </p>
<blockquote><p><i> 1)  $63.5M total was spent on the elections, with $22M coming from outside superPACs.  Union money amounted to around $5.5M, although the wording of the story makes the precise figure a little unclear.  There was an eight-to-one advantage for the Republican candidate for governor over the Democrat.</p>
<p>2)   Big Labor spent $21M on the elections.  Democrats and their backers spent $23.4M, with &#8220;outside groups&#8221; who were against Republicans spending $18.6M.  I&#8217;m not clear from the wording here whether that 18.6M is out of the $23.4, or additional.</p>
<p>3)  $44M total was spent on the elections, with Democrats outspending Republicans $23.4M to $20.5M.  There was a Democratic advantage even on outside spending, with outside Democrat-leaning money coming to $18.6M to Republican outsiders $15.9M. </i> </p></blockquote>
<p> Money spent should also include what was spent on the Recall campaign on on the primary. I find it hard to believe that with with Big Labor’s resources, the Pubs outspent the Demos 8-1 for the whole campaign- from  the Recall campaign on through election day. How much did Big Labor spend on the unsuccessful far left primary candidate for governor?</p>
<p>For the Demos weeping about how they were vastly outspent- a dubious proposition-  they picked the fight.</p>
<p>In comparing how the counties voted  yesterday with how they voted in  2010, by and large both the Pubs and the Demos  increased their winning margins in 2012 in counties they took in 2010.</p>
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		By: Gringo		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/06/06/recalling-the-recall/#comment-366738</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2012 02:55:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[According to this Bloomberg article,for the 2008 campaign,  Obama spent $741 million, compared to McCain&#039;s spending $250 million.

&lt;i&gt;&quot;Obama outspent him by a 4-to-1 margin from Sept. 1 through Nov. 24, FEC records show.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Would those Demos who claim that money was why Walker won agree that Obama&#039;s outspending McCain was why Obama won?

Just wondering.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&#038;sid=anLDS9WWPQW8]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to this Bloomberg article,for the 2008 campaign,  Obama spent $741 million, compared to McCain&#8217;s spending $250 million.</p>
<p><i>&#8220;Obama outspent him by a 4-to-1 margin from Sept. 1 through Nov. 24, FEC records show.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Would those Demos who claim that money was why Walker won agree that Obama&#8217;s outspending McCain was why Obama won?</p>
<p>Just wondering.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&#038;sid=anLDS9WWPQW8" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&#038;sid=anLDS9WWPQW8</a></p>
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		By: texexec		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/06/06/recalling-the-recall/#comment-366730</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2012 02:43:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The libs are in that famous Egyptian river - D Nile.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The libs are in that famous Egyptian river &#8211; D Nile.</p>
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