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		By: Artfldgr		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/06/01/affirmative-action-leads-to-wondering/#comment-364904</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2012 12:57:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[not actually curtis... 
in my apartment is the artwork, the sculptures, the music, the writings, the photography, the designs, the inventions, the circuits, and on it goes.. 

stuff that would amaze you.. 

all destined for the garbage heap... 
never to get where they were to go 
and your points are useless, i have been erased]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>not actually curtis&#8230;<br />
in my apartment is the artwork, the sculptures, the music, the writings, the photography, the designs, the inventions, the circuits, and on it goes.. </p>
<p>stuff that would amaze you.. </p>
<p>all destined for the garbage heap&#8230;<br />
never to get where they were to go<br />
and your points are useless, i have been erased</p>
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		By: n.n		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/06/01/affirmative-action-leads-to-wondering/#comment-363949</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jun 2012 17:18:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[With affirmative action we replaced exceptional discrimination with pervasive institutional discrimination based on skin color, gender, etc.  It may have been justified for one generation, but beyond that it is a form of corruption.

The only minority of consequence is the individual.  The only diversity of consequence, other than for reproductive purposes, are individuals.  Any other definition only serves to denigrate individual dignity and devalue human life.

The way it should have been handled is through ex post facto review when there was probable cause to suspect extraordinary discrimination.  This is the only process which is capable of preserving individual dignity.  The way it was processed was based on the assumption of guilt.  This is a perversion of justice and equality, and reflects an extraordinary prejudice and selfish interest.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With affirmative action we replaced exceptional discrimination with pervasive institutional discrimination based on skin color, gender, etc.  It may have been justified for one generation, but beyond that it is a form of corruption.</p>
<p>The only minority of consequence is the individual.  The only diversity of consequence, other than for reproductive purposes, are individuals.  Any other definition only serves to denigrate individual dignity and devalue human life.</p>
<p>The way it should have been handled is through ex post facto review when there was probable cause to suspect extraordinary discrimination.  This is the only process which is capable of preserving individual dignity.  The way it was processed was based on the assumption of guilt.  This is a perversion of justice and equality, and reflects an extraordinary prejudice and selfish interest.</p>
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		By: Wolla Dalbo		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/06/01/affirmative-action-leads-to-wondering/#comment-363808</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jun 2012 10:19:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hopefully, the last comment I will make on Elizabeth Warren, who has at this point, I would hope, lost all credibility. 

Of course, your evaluation of Warren, or any other politician or candidate or, for that matter, anyone else in the public eye, depends on what sources you look to for your news, and whether those news sources--depending on their political ideology and agenda (and they always have an ideology and an agenda)-either deliberately ignore, downplay, or report on something, and if they report, will-report fully and fairly on what is happening as regards a public figure like Warren, and her statements and claims. 

In this case, as in almost all such cases these days the Internet, what has been termed the “undermedia,” has far more coverage than the MSM.

Breitbart.com is really on Elizabeth Warren’s case, and is “taking her inventory,” and from what they keep finding, it appears that Warren can’t help but lie about just about everything, and to make up or inflate stories to aggrandize herself.  

Late yesterday Breitbart.com reported on the video they found of a speech that Warren gave early in her election bid, in which she told her audience about how her grandma, aged 15 in 1889, was driving a buckboard West as one of the early settlers during the Oklahoma land rush, and the touching story of how she lived to be 94, and was able to see Warren graduate from college.

Well, we each have a grandmother on our mother’s side and a grandmother on our father’s side.  The only problem with Warren’s tale is that, according to Breitbart’s research, in the year Warren says ol’ granny was driving that buckboard West her paternal granny was not 15 but 2 years old, and she died at age 88, five years after Warren graduated college, and her maternal granny, who was 15 in 1889, and  was, indeed, aged 94 when she died, died several months before Warren graduated.  So, a “composite” granny? (see  http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/06/01/Exclusive-Video-Shows-Elizabeth-Warren-Telling-Tall-Tale-of-Composite-Grandmother) 

If fully expect that, any day now, Warren will be found buttonholing people on the sidewalk, and shoving a grocery receipt in their faces saying, ”see, see, look at this special thing I have.”]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hopefully, the last comment I will make on Elizabeth Warren, who has at this point, I would hope, lost all credibility. </p>
<p>Of course, your evaluation of Warren, or any other politician or candidate or, for that matter, anyone else in the public eye, depends on what sources you look to for your news, and whether those news sources&#8211;depending on their political ideology and agenda (and they always have an ideology and an agenda)-either deliberately ignore, downplay, or report on something, and if they report, will-report fully and fairly on what is happening as regards a public figure like Warren, and her statements and claims. </p>
<p>In this case, as in almost all such cases these days the Internet, what has been termed the “undermedia,” has far more coverage than the MSM.</p>
<p>Breitbart.com is really on Elizabeth Warren’s case, and is “taking her inventory,” and from what they keep finding, it appears that Warren can’t help but lie about just about everything, and to make up or inflate stories to aggrandize herself.  </p>
<p>Late yesterday Breitbart.com reported on the video they found of a speech that Warren gave early in her election bid, in which she told her audience about how her grandma, aged 15 in 1889, was driving a buckboard West as one of the early settlers during the Oklahoma land rush, and the touching story of how she lived to be 94, and was able to see Warren graduate from college.</p>
<p>Well, we each have a grandmother on our mother’s side and a grandmother on our father’s side.  The only problem with Warren’s tale is that, according to Breitbart’s research, in the year Warren says ol’ granny was driving that buckboard West her paternal granny was not 15 but 2 years old, and she died at age 88, five years after Warren graduated college, and her maternal granny, who was 15 in 1889, and  was, indeed, aged 94 when she died, died several months before Warren graduated.  So, a “composite” granny? (see  <a href="http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/06/01/Exclusive-Video-Shows-Elizabeth-Warren-Telling-Tall-Tale-of-Composite-Grandmother" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/06/01/Exclusive-Video-Shows-Elizabeth-Warren-Telling-Tall-Tale-of-Composite-Grandmother</a>) </p>
<p>If fully expect that, any day now, Warren will be found buttonholing people on the sidewalk, and shoving a grocery receipt in their faces saying, ”see, see, look at this special thing I have.”</p>
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		By: Beverly		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/06/01/affirmative-action-leads-to-wondering/#comment-363770</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jun 2012 08:05:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yes to all the above, and there is also a pent-up resentment of the &quot;wogs and wimmen&quot; that will have bad consequences in years to come. Who has not experienced the unqualified colleague who uses dirty office politics to keep their position when they don&#039;t have the chops to play it straight? AA makes this more likely than not, and guess what: everyone knows it, even if they don&#039;t let themselves think about it consciously.

Artur Davis is right, it&#039;s time to get off this bandwagon. We needed it for a while to get people used to seeing women and people of color in certain types of jobs (though I would draw the line at hiring UNqualified people, no matter what). But now it&#039;s detrimental even to the groups it&#039;s supposed to help.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes to all the above, and there is also a pent-up resentment of the &#8220;wogs and wimmen&#8221; that will have bad consequences in years to come. Who has not experienced the unqualified colleague who uses dirty office politics to keep their position when they don&#8217;t have the chops to play it straight? AA makes this more likely than not, and guess what: everyone knows it, even if they don&#8217;t let themselves think about it consciously.</p>
<p>Artur Davis is right, it&#8217;s time to get off this bandwagon. We needed it for a while to get people used to seeing women and people of color in certain types of jobs (though I would draw the line at hiring UNqualified people, no matter what). But now it&#8217;s detrimental even to the groups it&#8217;s supposed to help.</p>
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		By: jon baker		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/06/01/affirmative-action-leads-to-wondering/#comment-363691</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jon baker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jun 2012 04:42:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I wish somebody here with some connections could help Art get another job....]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish somebody here with some connections could help Art get another job&#8230;.</p>
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		By: Mac		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/06/01/affirmative-action-leads-to-wondering/#comment-363661</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mac]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jun 2012 02:34:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;The truth is that women and minorities are hired to improve diversity on faculties.&quot;

No one who has been on the inside of higher ed (well, most higher ed) could deny this without telling a deliberate lie. I mean, it is so openly emphasized that I can&#039;t see anyone being innocently mistaken about it. It would be like claiming not to realize that the military services teach people to kill.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The truth is that women and minorities are hired to improve diversity on faculties.&#8221;</p>
<p>No one who has been on the inside of higher ed (well, most higher ed) could deny this without telling a deliberate lie. I mean, it is so openly emphasized that I can&#8217;t see anyone being innocently mistaken about it. It would be like claiming not to realize that the military services teach people to kill.</p>
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		By: kcom		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/06/01/affirmative-action-leads-to-wondering/#comment-363645</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jun 2012 01:40:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I made this same point on a blog comment a few years ago. I tried to find it just now but I couldn&#039;t. I wish I could.

The gist of it was a response to a commenter who said something along the lines of if you were a racist you could use AA as an excuse to question someone&#039;s qualifications (in a job interview, I think). My reply was that you didn&#039;t have to be a racist at all. AA practically forces you to question someone&#039;s qualifications if you know that candidate wasn&#039;t judged by the same standards as everyone else. If you can&#039;t compare two people in a job interview on the same criteria how will you know if you&#039;re getting taken? AA might be really well-meaning but it&#039;s incredibly insidious. It forces people, people of good will, to look at other people differently based on their skin color. You have to protect yourself if you&#039;re hiring someone and going to invest valuable time and money in them.

It&#039;s a problem inherent to AA. The two can never be divorced. One begets the other.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I made this same point on a blog comment a few years ago. I tried to find it just now but I couldn&#8217;t. I wish I could.</p>
<p>The gist of it was a response to a commenter who said something along the lines of if you were a racist you could use AA as an excuse to question someone&#8217;s qualifications (in a job interview, I think). My reply was that you didn&#8217;t have to be a racist at all. AA practically forces you to question someone&#8217;s qualifications if you know that candidate wasn&#8217;t judged by the same standards as everyone else. If you can&#8217;t compare two people in a job interview on the same criteria how will you know if you&#8217;re getting taken? AA might be really well-meaning but it&#8217;s incredibly insidious. It forces people, people of good will, to look at other people differently based on their skin color. You have to protect yourself if you&#8217;re hiring someone and going to invest valuable time and money in them.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a problem inherent to AA. The two can never be divorced. One begets the other.</p>
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		By: Parker		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/06/01/affirmative-action-leads-to-wondering/#comment-363634</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jun 2012 01:08:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Laws that favor ‘diversity’ should apply equally to..&quot;

Of course the left is not interested in true diversity.  For them its about gender, race, and ethnicity.  On the right we should be focused on diversity of opinion and philosophy because (hopefully) we realize we are not aways correct and we are willing to learn from others AND from our mistakes.&#039;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Laws that favor ‘diversity’ should apply equally to..&#8221;</p>
<p>Of course the left is not interested in true diversity.  For them its about gender, race, and ethnicity.  On the right we should be focused on diversity of opinion and philosophy because (hopefully) we realize we are not aways correct and we are willing to learn from others AND from our mistakes.&#8217;</p>
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		By: Steve		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/06/01/affirmative-action-leads-to-wondering/#comment-363625</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jun 2012 00:43:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[One way to end race- and sex-based quotas is to apply them in reverse. Laws that favor &#039;diversity&#039; should apply equally to men and whites. If blacks make up more than 13-14% of a pro sport, they are clearly overrepresented. How fast would feminism fold if mothers start losing custody of their kids?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One way to end race- and sex-based quotas is to apply them in reverse. Laws that favor &#8216;diversity&#8217; should apply equally to men and whites. If blacks make up more than 13-14% of a pro sport, they are clearly overrepresented. How fast would feminism fold if mothers start losing custody of their kids?</p>
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		By: Wolla Dalbo		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/06/01/affirmative-action-leads-to-wondering/#comment-363596</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wolla Dalbo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2012 23:00:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[So,  in the last few days we learned from the Warren campaign that Warren was the&quot; first nursing mother to take the New Jersey State Bar exam.&quot;

Yesterday  it was, &quot;my parents had to elope because my family didn&#039;t like my mother&#039;s  Indian heritage.&quot; but Brieitbart.com quickly produced marriage/wedding documents showing that Warrren&#039;s parents married in a conventional church wedding at a church 14 miles from their homes.

Now, today we learn that multimillionaire Warren---who has positioned herself as the champion of the middle class and the little guy, and who has railed against foreclosures and flipping, had herself done some very profitable flipping of foreclosed houses she bought cheap and sold dear  (see http://news.bostonherald.com/news/columnists/view/20220601flipping_lizs_credibility_flops/srvc=home&#038;position=0) .]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So,  in the last few days we learned from the Warren campaign that Warren was the&#8221; first nursing mother to take the New Jersey State Bar exam.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yesterday  it was, &#8220;my parents had to elope because my family didn&#8217;t like my mother&#8217;s  Indian heritage.&#8221; but Brieitbart.com quickly produced marriage/wedding documents showing that Warrren&#8217;s parents married in a conventional church wedding at a church 14 miles from their homes.</p>
<p>Now, today we learn that multimillionaire Warren&#8212;who has positioned herself as the champion of the middle class and the little guy, and who has railed against foreclosures and flipping, had herself done some very profitable flipping of foreclosed houses she bought cheap and sold dear  (see <a href="http://news.bostonherald.com/news/columnists/view/20220601flipping_lizs_credibility_flops/srvc=home&#038;position=0" rel="nofollow ugc">http://news.bostonherald.com/news/columnists/view/20220601flipping_lizs_credibility_flops/srvc=home&#038;position=0</a>) .</p>
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