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		By: Sefton		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/05/25/the-undeserving-poor/#comment-360822</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2012 23:21:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It has been many years since I have seen either the Hepburn or Hiller versions, but I recall liking both very much. My opinion is a smattering of the others.
I always assumed MFL was dubbed for the singing voice doesn&#039;t match the speaking voice.  But I don&#039;t think Hepburn was miscast precisely because it is impossible to not see the beauty within and precisely because she wasn&#039;t the best of singers. Here we have a cockney street vendor bursting into beautiful song. Doesn&#039;t make sense to me. You&#039;d almost expect Harrision to blurt out, &quot;Girl, can&#039;t you speak more like you sing?&quot;

I actually am charmed by Hepburn&#039;s own voice.  Was there anyone in that picture besides Hepburn?  Oh, and I&#039;m not gay, definitely not gay.

Agreed.  I Know Where I&#039;m Going is delightful.

Possible Factoid. In a scene in Charade, Grant and Hepburn get off the elevator at her flat and he seems to ad lib something like, &quot;Here we are, on the street where you live.&quot;

Suspicion has been colorized? I&#039;ll leave you now to cry myself to sleep.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It has been many years since I have seen either the Hepburn or Hiller versions, but I recall liking both very much. My opinion is a smattering of the others.<br />
I always assumed MFL was dubbed for the singing voice doesn&#8217;t match the speaking voice.  But I don&#8217;t think Hepburn was miscast precisely because it is impossible to not see the beauty within and precisely because she wasn&#8217;t the best of singers. Here we have a cockney street vendor bursting into beautiful song. Doesn&#8217;t make sense to me. You&#8217;d almost expect Harrision to blurt out, &#8220;Girl, can&#8217;t you speak more like you sing?&#8221;</p>
<p>I actually am charmed by Hepburn&#8217;s own voice.  Was there anyone in that picture besides Hepburn?  Oh, and I&#8217;m not gay, definitely not gay.</p>
<p>Agreed.  I Know Where I&#8217;m Going is delightful.</p>
<p>Possible Factoid. In a scene in Charade, Grant and Hepburn get off the elevator at her flat and he seems to ad lib something like, &#8220;Here we are, on the street where you live.&#8221;</p>
<p>Suspicion has been colorized? I&#8217;ll leave you now to cry myself to sleep.</p>
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		By: Wolla Dalbo		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/05/25/the-undeserving-poor/#comment-360646</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2012 13:32:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[P.S.-Not, I suspect, just coincidentally, this deliberately created sense of dissatisfaction, despair, and anger among young high school and college age males--the age/sex cohort responsible for the majority of violence in societies--can be very useful in fomenting turmoil, political change, and/or revolution.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.S.-Not, I suspect, just coincidentally, this deliberately created sense of dissatisfaction, despair, and anger among young high school and college age males&#8211;the age/sex cohort responsible for the majority of violence in societies&#8211;can be very useful in fomenting turmoil, political change, and/or revolution.</p>
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		By: Wolla Dalbo		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/05/25/the-undeserving-poor/#comment-360644</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2012 13:24:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think part of the pathology here is the notion, and now the expectation that has been fostered among today&#039;s young people, that “everyone is a winner” in life, and that virtually everyone should go to college, and the disdain for essential, but low level and/or blue collar jobs, as every student–regardless of education, talent, or innate ability--has been given the notion, by today’s “educators” and our current culture, that they can be a big time Executive, or Academic, Scientist, or Rap music mogul, keep their hands clean, and have all the perks of success–often with the added notion–expressed by the barely literate high school kids you often see quizzed on local TV about “what they want to do when they grow up”–that they “don’t want to start at the bottom, in no crappy low level job in the Mailroom,” they want to start at the top,  with a big office, big house, flashy car and flashy jewelry, plenty of women, etc. etc.–all the stuff they see on TV and in Rap videos. 

Thus, there is set up the situation that many people will fail to get what they have been promised are their right and just deserts and with that failure comes bitterness, despair, and anger. 
   
Thus, the idea of assessing people’s aptitudes, interests and abilities and putting them on different tracks in their education —the smaller percentage with the requisite, I.Q., talent, and desire onto an academic or scientific track and college, the larger group onto a practical applications track–going to various trade schools to learn the skills necessary to become office and factory workers, repairmen, mechanics, plumbers, clerks–had been discarded as being racist and discriminatory, and I think that we all see the results of this decision in our everyday lives.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think part of the pathology here is the notion, and now the expectation that has been fostered among today&#8217;s young people, that “everyone is a winner” in life, and that virtually everyone should go to college, and the disdain for essential, but low level and/or blue collar jobs, as every student–regardless of education, talent, or innate ability&#8211;has been given the notion, by today’s “educators” and our current culture, that they can be a big time Executive, or Academic, Scientist, or Rap music mogul, keep their hands clean, and have all the perks of success–often with the added notion–expressed by the barely literate high school kids you often see quizzed on local TV about “what they want to do when they grow up”–that they “don’t want to start at the bottom, in no crappy low level job in the Mailroom,” they want to start at the top,  with a big office, big house, flashy car and flashy jewelry, plenty of women, etc. etc.–all the stuff they see on TV and in Rap videos. </p>
<p>Thus, there is set up the situation that many people will fail to get what they have been promised are their right and just deserts and with that failure comes bitterness, despair, and anger. </p>
<p>Thus, the idea of assessing people’s aptitudes, interests and abilities and putting them on different tracks in their education —the smaller percentage with the requisite, I.Q., talent, and desire onto an academic or scientific track and college, the larger group onto a practical applications track–going to various trade schools to learn the skills necessary to become office and factory workers, repairmen, mechanics, plumbers, clerks–had been discarded as being racist and discriminatory, and I think that we all see the results of this decision in our everyday lives.</p>
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		By: SteveH		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/05/25/the-undeserving-poor/#comment-360639</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2012 13:16:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The problem is that government can&#039;t do anything for you without doing something to you. That we&#039;re actually in a fight to keep a bigoted punk out of the whitehouse for a second term come November, tells us what that something is.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem is that government can&#8217;t do anything for you without doing something to you. That we&#8217;re actually in a fight to keep a bigoted punk out of the whitehouse for a second term come November, tells us what that something is.</p>
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		By: pst314		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/05/25/the-undeserving-poor/#comment-360636</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2012 13:04:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[“hook-nosed cosmopolitan Zionist wire-pullers”

Wire-pullers???]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“hook-nosed cosmopolitan Zionist wire-pullers”</p>
<p>Wire-pullers???</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/05/25/the-undeserving-poor/#comment-360630</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2012 12:58:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thomas, I think that is very true. And it&#039;s also only a superficial shallow glimpse at the Left&#039;s true machinations and plans. They have far more serious things going on. Fast and Furious was only the tip of the iceberg. What people knew because it got found out. Imagine what they have been doing for the last few decades that nobody has found out.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thomas, I think that is very true. And it&#8217;s also only a superficial shallow glimpse at the Left&#8217;s true machinations and plans. They have far more serious things going on. Fast and Furious was only the tip of the iceberg. What people knew because it got found out. Imagine what they have been doing for the last few decades that nobody has found out.</p>
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		By: Susanamantha		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/05/25/the-undeserving-poor/#comment-360614</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2012 12:03:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[About MFL and Hepburn - &quot;wouldn&#039;t it be loverly&quot; if she had been able to sing? I automatically dislike movie musicals which feel the need to separate face from voice. The best lip-syncer is no good. 

Wendy Hiller is superb. For another movie that shows her talents in their best light, check out &quot;I Know Where I&#039;m Going&quot;, a quirky, delightful flick.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About MFL and Hepburn &#8211; &#8220;wouldn&#8217;t it be loverly&#8221; if she had been able to sing? I automatically dislike movie musicals which feel the need to separate face from voice. The best lip-syncer is no good. </p>
<p>Wendy Hiller is superb. For another movie that shows her talents in their best light, check out &#8220;I Know Where I&#8217;m Going&#8221;, a quirky, delightful flick.</p>
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		By: Gary Rosen		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/05/25/the-undeserving-poor/#comment-360566</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2012 07:47:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;neo-con ... Trotskyites&quot;

You left out &quot;hook-nosed cosmopolitan Zionist wire-pullers&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;neo-con &#8230; Trotskyites&#8221;</p>
<p>You left out &#8220;hook-nosed cosmopolitan Zionist wire-pullers&#8221;</p>
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		By: thomass		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/05/25/the-undeserving-poor/#comment-360546</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2012 06:47:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve had these talks with leftists before and you’re hitting the nail on the head... sort of.

The reason they want the government in charge of welfare is to keep us out of it (and/or the decision making). I&#039;ve been told this straight up a couple times by different lefties. 

We are to pay up but then be attacked if we ask about where it is going.

Lefties know people wouldn’t starve without welfare (private groups would move in). They just don’t want the private groups involved or their standards applied. 

It’s the same thing with healthcare. All the crying about the people who go without due to the private insurance system went out the window when the left thought they won. Well, if the &#039;science&#039; says it is an unnecessary procedure &#039;we the left&#039; will deny even more (to more) people who need care. Science being BS for whatever the left wants us to have (at the moment).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve had these talks with leftists before and you’re hitting the nail on the head&#8230; sort of.</p>
<p>The reason they want the government in charge of welfare is to keep us out of it (and/or the decision making). I&#8217;ve been told this straight up a couple times by different lefties. </p>
<p>We are to pay up but then be attacked if we ask about where it is going.</p>
<p>Lefties know people wouldn’t starve without welfare (private groups would move in). They just don’t want the private groups involved or their standards applied. </p>
<p>It’s the same thing with healthcare. All the crying about the people who go without due to the private insurance system went out the window when the left thought they won. Well, if the &#8216;science&#8217; says it is an unnecessary procedure &#8216;we the left&#8217; will deny even more (to more) people who need care. Science being BS for whatever the left wants us to have (at the moment).</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/05/25/the-undeserving-poor/#comment-360517</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2012 04:52:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[IGotBupkis: to paraphrase Barack Obama, the word &lt;i&gt;neocon&lt;/i&gt; serves &quot;as a blank screen on which people of vastly different political stripes project their views.”

Mary defines &quot;neocon&quot; as whatever it is she&#039;s eager to hate.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IGotBupkis: to paraphrase Barack Obama, the word <i>neocon</i> serves &#8220;as a blank screen on which people of vastly different political stripes project their views.”</p>
<p>Mary defines &#8220;neocon&#8221; as whatever it is she&#8217;s eager to hate.</p>
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