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		By: Byzantium		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/05/18/obama-the-kenyan-warren-the-cherokee/#comment-358521</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Byzantium]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2012 09:06:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[So...we&#039;re just passing on Occam&#039;s Razor entirely when discussing Obama&#039;s birthplace?

Okay then.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So&#8230;we&#8217;re just passing on Occam&#8217;s Razor entirely when discussing Obama&#8217;s birthplace?</p>
<p>Okay then.</p>
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		By: JaneLK		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/05/18/obama-the-kenyan-warren-the-cherokee/#comment-358286</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JaneLK]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2012 13:59:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Beware of &quot;Granny&quot; Warren, as Howie Carr refers to her, or &quot;Fauxcahontus&quot; as Tammy Bruce refers to her.  This woman is dangerous, a sort of Obama &quot;Mini Me&quot; but worse.  As a MA resident, it is a perfect analogy to the presidential race - anyone but Obama, anyone but Granny Warren.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beware of &#8220;Granny&#8221; Warren, as Howie Carr refers to her, or &#8220;Fauxcahontus&#8221; as Tammy Bruce refers to her.  This woman is dangerous, a sort of Obama &#8220;Mini Me&#8221; but worse.  As a MA resident, it is a perfect analogy to the presidential race &#8211; anyone but Obama, anyone but Granny Warren.</p>
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		By: blert		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/05/18/obama-the-kenyan-warren-the-cherokee/#comment-358182</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[blert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2012 03:39:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The First Lady keeps referring to Barry as a Kenyan while on the stump -- and when President.

So, too, the Kenyan government.

IF Barry had a Hawaiian BC -- then why the two doctored documents, the weird Social Security # and what of his draft documents?

It&#039;s NOT for us to prove that he was born in Kenya, though signs and witnesses place him there; it&#039;s for him to prove that he&#039;s a Natural Born Citizen.

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The weight of the evidence is that his grandmother wanted his birth to be &#039;hidden&#039; -- with as low a profile as could be had.

For those unaware: Hawaii, then and now, permits parents and grandparents to phone in live births to the newspapers -- who will duly publish such stats. This was and is done all the time. So pointing to such a blurb means absolutely nothing in terms of Barry&#039;s live birth.

That he&#039;s an &#039;election-baby&#039; is biologically obvious: he was born August 4, 1961 -- almost nine months to the hour if conceived when the Illinois vote came in to block Richard Nixon -- F.M.D.&#039;s most hated politician, at that time.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The First Lady keeps referring to Barry as a Kenyan while on the stump &#8212; and when President.</p>
<p>So, too, the Kenyan government.</p>
<p>IF Barry had a Hawaiian BC &#8212; then why the two doctored documents, the weird Social Security # and what of his draft documents?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s NOT for us to prove that he was born in Kenya, though signs and witnesses place him there; it&#8217;s for him to prove that he&#8217;s a Natural Born Citizen.</p>
<p>=====</p>
<p>The weight of the evidence is that his grandmother wanted his birth to be &#8216;hidden&#8217; &#8212; with as low a profile as could be had.</p>
<p>For those unaware: Hawaii, then and now, permits parents and grandparents to phone in live births to the newspapers &#8212; who will duly publish such stats. This was and is done all the time. So pointing to such a blurb means absolutely nothing in terms of Barry&#8217;s live birth.</p>
<p>That he&#8217;s an &#8216;election-baby&#8217; is biologically obvious: he was born August 4, 1961 &#8212; almost nine months to the hour if conceived when the Illinois vote came in to block Richard Nixon &#8212; F.M.D.&#8217;s most hated politician, at that time.</p>
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		By: Wolla Dalbo		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/05/18/obama-the-kenyan-warren-the-cherokee/#comment-357885</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wolla Dalbo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2012 12:37:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The birth announcement thing is very simple, and has absolutely nothing to do with having Presidential aspirations for a newborn (such ridiculing talk of “precognition” i.e. realizing that the newborn will one day have a realistic shot at the Presidency, and preparing for it--a way to shut the conversation down and to divert attention from an examination and discussion of the real issues involved)  but, rather, has everything to do with the advantages of being American born and an American citizen  vs. foreign born and a citizen of dirt poor, strife torn Kenya. 


I have heard two explanations, both making sense:


Number one, this bare bones announcement of birth was put into the paper by his parents/grandparents. 


Number two, such birth announcements were routinely printed in the local newspaper when the Hawaiian authorities are notified of a birth, however, at this time the particular practice of the Hawaiian government was, on application by the parents, to list/treat children born outside of Hawaii as if they were born in Hawaii, and to list them as Hawaiian born.


So, why would a parent or grandparent put such a notice in the paper?  Well, which would you rather have, you child or grandchild born in Kenya, a Kenyan citizen, and not eligible for all sorts of American goodies, or a brand new American citizen and eligible for all of them?  


Likewise, if the Hawaiian government will treat a foreign birth–with all its likely disabilities–as a Hawaiian birth, why not put the paperwork in and get a birth certificate that says, “born in Hawaii,” and a notice in the paper for all your friends and neighbors to see?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The birth announcement thing is very simple, and has absolutely nothing to do with having Presidential aspirations for a newborn (such ridiculing talk of “precognition” i.e. realizing that the newborn will one day have a realistic shot at the Presidency, and preparing for it&#8211;a way to shut the conversation down and to divert attention from an examination and discussion of the real issues involved)  but, rather, has everything to do with the advantages of being American born and an American citizen  vs. foreign born and a citizen of dirt poor, strife torn Kenya. </p>
<p>I have heard two explanations, both making sense:</p>
<p>Number one, this bare bones announcement of birth was put into the paper by his parents/grandparents. </p>
<p>Number two, such birth announcements were routinely printed in the local newspaper when the Hawaiian authorities are notified of a birth, however, at this time the particular practice of the Hawaiian government was, on application by the parents, to list/treat children born outside of Hawaii as if they were born in Hawaii, and to list them as Hawaiian born.</p>
<p>So, why would a parent or grandparent put such a notice in the paper?  Well, which would you rather have, you child or grandchild born in Kenya, a Kenyan citizen, and not eligible for all sorts of American goodies, or a brand new American citizen and eligible for all of them?  </p>
<p>Likewise, if the Hawaiian government will treat a foreign birth–with all its likely disabilities–as a Hawaiian birth, why not put the paperwork in and get a birth certificate that says, “born in Hawaii,” and a notice in the paper for all your friends and neighbors to see?</p>
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		By: ELC		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/05/18/obama-the-kenyan-warren-the-cherokee/#comment-357872</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ELC]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2012 12:02:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[So far, the attention here has been on the literary agents&#039; bio. But what about that AP article from 2004?

I can&#039;t say that I know from first-hand experience how an organization like AP organizes its information. But, mustn&#039;t it have some kind of fact-sheet on high-profile people, so the reporters and editors don&#039;t have to have to ask things like &quot;Where were you born?&quot; and &quot;How old are you?&quot; over and over again? If they do not have a formal, organization-wide system that keeps basic information like that, surely individual reporters and editors covering certain persons / regions / issues must have some kind of store of basic facts to consult.

So, how long did AP think Obama had been born in Kenya? And how did they get that idea? And why did they change their minds?

And... what an odd coincidence, that Obama&#039;s agents and the AP thought he had been born in Kenya, not (say) America or Paraguay.

For years, I have wondered how in the world people came to believe he had been born in Kenya not in America. The answer now is clear: because that&#039;s what he himself had told people, for a very long time.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So far, the attention here has been on the literary agents&#8217; bio. But what about that AP article from 2004?</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t say that I know from first-hand experience how an organization like AP organizes its information. But, mustn&#8217;t it have some kind of fact-sheet on high-profile people, so the reporters and editors don&#8217;t have to have to ask things like &#8220;Where were you born?&#8221; and &#8220;How old are you?&#8221; over and over again? If they do not have a formal, organization-wide system that keeps basic information like that, surely individual reporters and editors covering certain persons / regions / issues must have some kind of store of basic facts to consult.</p>
<p>So, how long did AP think Obama had been born in Kenya? And how did they get that idea? And why did they change their minds?</p>
<p>And&#8230; what an odd coincidence, that Obama&#8217;s agents and the AP thought he had been born in Kenya, not (say) America or Paraguay.</p>
<p>For years, I have wondered how in the world people came to believe he had been born in Kenya not in America. The answer now is clear: because that&#8217;s what he himself had told people, for a very long time.</p>
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		By: IGotBupkis, Legally Defined Cyberbully in All 57 States		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/05/18/obama-the-kenyan-warren-the-cherokee/#comment-357870</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2012 11:59:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The simple fact is, there&#039;s an existing newspaper notice identifying his birth in Hawaii at the time and place he was purported to be born.

a) If it&#039;s a fake, it&#039;s hard to believe no one has called it out yet, as the thing&#039;s been around for at least a couple years to be vetted by people who DO do those things unlike the MSM.

b) If it&#039;s &quot;lying&quot;, then it is very hard to offer a reason WHY. He already had citizenship -- there&#039;s exactly ONE job that his birthplace is significant enough that one might argue for a &quot;fake&quot; -- and that&#039;s the one he has. BUT -- if you consider his background, particularly that of his parents and grandparents... do you REALLY want to argue that they thought his chances of becoming the PotUS 50 years later was going to be signficant...? These people are the progenitors of the eeevil racist Amerikkkk a meme. Even as America was shifting steadily away from racism, they are of the exact same crowd that created the entire NOTION of Victim Classes. The idea that they would believe that within 50 years the USA would even consider electing a black PotUS is highly improbable.

Q.E.D., there&#039;s no reason to have had him born in Kenya and then &quot;fake&quot; his birth here in the USA. There
s just &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt;.

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So, why, then, bupkis, would he make such a big deal over the long-form BC?

I have no idea, other than to dangle a white whale in front of the GOP&#039;s natural born Ahabs.... one thing that occurs to me as a total guess is that, with the father absent, it may well be that the &quot;Father&quot; field on the official long form BC says &quot;Unknown&quot; or some similarly embarrassing thing.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The simple fact is, there&#8217;s an existing newspaper notice identifying his birth in Hawaii at the time and place he was purported to be born.</p>
<p>a) If it&#8217;s a fake, it&#8217;s hard to believe no one has called it out yet, as the thing&#8217;s been around for at least a couple years to be vetted by people who DO do those things unlike the MSM.</p>
<p>b) If it&#8217;s &#8220;lying&#8221;, then it is very hard to offer a reason WHY. He already had citizenship &#8212; there&#8217;s exactly ONE job that his birthplace is significant enough that one might argue for a &#8220;fake&#8221; &#8212; and that&#8217;s the one he has. BUT &#8212; if you consider his background, particularly that of his parents and grandparents&#8230; do you REALLY want to argue that they thought his chances of becoming the PotUS 50 years later was going to be signficant&#8230;? These people are the progenitors of the eeevil racist Amerikkkk a meme. Even as America was shifting steadily away from racism, they are of the exact same crowd that created the entire NOTION of Victim Classes. The idea that they would believe that within 50 years the USA would even consider electing a black PotUS is highly improbable.</p>
<p>Q.E.D., there&#8217;s no reason to have had him born in Kenya and then &#8220;fake&#8221; his birth here in the USA. There<br />
s just <i>not</i>.</p>
<p>===============</p>
<p>So, why, then, bupkis, would he make such a big deal over the long-form BC?</p>
<p>I have no idea, other than to dangle a white whale in front of the GOP&#8217;s natural born Ahabs&#8230;. one thing that occurs to me as a total guess is that, with the father absent, it may well be that the &#8220;Father&#8221; field on the official long form BC says &#8220;Unknown&#8221; or some similarly embarrassing thing.</p>
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		By: Parker		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/05/18/obama-the-kenyan-warren-the-cherokee/#comment-357755</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2012 03:56:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Obama the narcissistic Martian comes closest to describing BHO.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama the narcissistic Martian comes closest to describing BHO.</p>
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		By: Parker		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/05/18/obama-the-kenyan-warren-the-cherokee/#comment-357752</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Parker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2012 03:49:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;And now I’m wondering whether the reason we can’t see his transcripts is that they’d show that he identified himself in some official way to his colleges as a foreign student.&quot;

I&#039;ve been fixated on the college transcripts since he won the Iowa caucus in 2008.  He&#039;s definitely hiding something rather embarrassing at the best or seriously damaging at the worst.  This is the guy who is the smartest person to inhabit the White House, the super cool and super intelligent messiah that sends tingles down the legs of the MSM.  Even Al Gore released his lackluster transcripts.  BHO, the Einstein messiah hides his.... something smells.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;And now I’m wondering whether the reason we can’t see his transcripts is that they’d show that he identified himself in some official way to his colleges as a foreign student.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been fixated on the college transcripts since he won the Iowa caucus in 2008.  He&#8217;s definitely hiding something rather embarrassing at the best or seriously damaging at the worst.  This is the guy who is the smartest person to inhabit the White House, the super cool and super intelligent messiah that sends tingles down the legs of the MSM.  Even Al Gore released his lackluster transcripts.  BHO, the Einstein messiah hides his&#8230;. something smells.</p>
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		By: Occam's Beard		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/05/18/obama-the-kenyan-warren-the-cherokee/#comment-357700</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Occam's Beard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2012 00:03:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;It appears Warren and Obama are both from the little known Facade Tribe. A band of self absorbed warriors who were prolific at making shit up.&lt;/i&gt;

That&#039;s Ward Churchill&#039;s tribe, too.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>It appears Warren and Obama are both from the little known Facade Tribe. A band of self absorbed warriors who were prolific at making shit up.</i></p>
<p>That&#8217;s Ward Churchill&#8217;s tribe, too.</p>
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		By: SteveH		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2012 23:42:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It appears Warren and Obama are both from the little known Facade Tribe. A band of self absorbed warriors who were prolific at making shit up.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It appears Warren and Obama are both from the little known Facade Tribe. A band of self absorbed warriors who were prolific at making shit up.</p>
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