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		By: Oblio		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/05/09/president-obama/#comment-354193</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2012 03:19:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If the case for gay marriage is so obvious and compelling, why did it take Mr. Obama so long to realize it?  Was he a bigot until yesterday?  Or lacking education? Or intelligence? 

If the case is NOT obvious and compelling, then what is its rationale?  It cannot be an appeal to a self-evident right.  And how do its supporters justify name calling and coercing its opponents?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the case for gay marriage is so obvious and compelling, why did it take Mr. Obama so long to realize it?  Was he a bigot until yesterday?  Or lacking education? Or intelligence? </p>
<p>If the case is NOT obvious and compelling, then what is its rationale?  It cannot be an appeal to a self-evident right.  And how do its supporters justify name calling and coercing its opponents?</p>
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		By: foxmarks		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/05/09/president-obama/#comment-354105</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2012 23:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[expat: The inexperience of youth is one of the shortcomings I see now that I am engaged with the Paulbots. They’re not all college kids, but on average are barely old enough to have married and have a first child. The majority of them have yet to see how complicated real-life relationships can become over time.

I am happy that the RP faction is making headway stripping marriage from the formal GOP platform. Their version of the party will have a much bigger tent. But there is some blindness whenever they heard about liberty and equality. Marriage amendments and such are not about what couples choose, but about gov’t forcing everyone to be a party to their choices. It extends the umbrella of coercion over a vocal (and hip) minority.

I don’t fit in anywhere…]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>expat: The inexperience of youth is one of the shortcomings I see now that I am engaged with the Paulbots. They’re not all college kids, but on average are barely old enough to have married and have a first child. The majority of them have yet to see how complicated real-life relationships can become over time.</p>
<p>I am happy that the RP faction is making headway stripping marriage from the formal GOP platform. Their version of the party will have a much bigger tent. But there is some blindness whenever they heard about liberty and equality. Marriage amendments and such are not about what couples choose, but about gov’t forcing everyone to be a party to their choices. It extends the umbrella of coercion over a vocal (and hip) minority.</p>
<p>I don’t fit in anywhere…</p>
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		By: southernjames		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/05/09/president-obama/#comment-353966</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2012 17:52:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This is, IMO, all planned ahead of time. 

The distraction strategy, to take the conversation away from the economy and the 15 Trillion our grandkids will owe, is also of course intended to at the same time achieve other objectives.

One of which is of course to slime Romney.  After all, Dear Leader can&#039;t exactly run on his own record although I am sure the media will be touting his &quot;accomplishments,&quot; as the election gets closer.   He inhertited everything from Bush except the post-9/11 intelligence network that has been searching for Osama since 2001.  That he invented on his own, and in an act of historic courage, he personally hunted down and assasinated Osama.  Thereby single handedly winning the war on terror.   I&#039;m getting leg tingles, just thinking about his Decisive Valor. 
 
One of the other objectives is to target and attempt to try to lock up the votes on his target demographics that went for him last time - to try to prevent them from flipping, or not bothering to vote. 

The Sandra Free Birth Control -- the independant (but ironically &quot;dependant&quot;) single women, who are ticked about the economy....but for whom &quot;reproductive rights&quot; are enshrined and sacred....

The Trayvon:  Come out and vote en masse for me again.  Or you&#039;ll be hunted down in the streets by Cracker GOP lynch mobs. 

The I&#039;m down wit da Gays b.s.  Squishy independents and socially liberal libertarians for whom &quot;social cons&quot; are scary nazis.   And the cool youth voters.  Mitt&#039;s a scary nerdy Morman.  Don&#039;t trust the reins of my well deserved power, with Mitt.  

Even though they totally slimed Zimmerman, who is a hispanic -- that will all go down the memory hole when we get, one of these weeks, a distraction designed for some well timed &quot;hispandering.&quot; 

Most..divisive...President...EVER]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is, IMO, all planned ahead of time. </p>
<p>The distraction strategy, to take the conversation away from the economy and the 15 Trillion our grandkids will owe, is also of course intended to at the same time achieve other objectives.</p>
<p>One of which is of course to slime Romney.  After all, Dear Leader can&#8217;t exactly run on his own record although I am sure the media will be touting his &#8220;accomplishments,&#8221; as the election gets closer.   He inhertited everything from Bush except the post-9/11 intelligence network that has been searching for Osama since 2001.  That he invented on his own, and in an act of historic courage, he personally hunted down and assasinated Osama.  Thereby single handedly winning the war on terror.   I&#8217;m getting leg tingles, just thinking about his Decisive Valor. </p>
<p>One of the other objectives is to target and attempt to try to lock up the votes on his target demographics that went for him last time &#8211; to try to prevent them from flipping, or not bothering to vote. </p>
<p>The Sandra Free Birth Control &#8212; the independant (but ironically &#8220;dependant&#8221;) single women, who are ticked about the economy&#8230;.but for whom &#8220;reproductive rights&#8221; are enshrined and sacred&#8230;.</p>
<p>The Trayvon:  Come out and vote en masse for me again.  Or you&#8217;ll be hunted down in the streets by Cracker GOP lynch mobs. </p>
<p>The I&#8217;m down wit da Gays b.s.  Squishy independents and socially liberal libertarians for whom &#8220;social cons&#8221; are scary nazis.   And the cool youth voters.  Mitt&#8217;s a scary nerdy Morman.  Don&#8217;t trust the reins of my well deserved power, with Mitt.  </p>
<p>Even though they totally slimed Zimmerman, who is a hispanic &#8212; that will all go down the memory hole when we get, one of these weeks, a distraction designed for some well timed &#8220;hispandering.&#8221; </p>
<p>Most..divisive&#8230;President&#8230;EVER</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/05/09/president-obama/#comment-353947</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2012 17:16:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Michael: no need whatsoever to apologize.  I happen to agree with you that he stopped lying about this.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael: no need whatsoever to apologize.  I happen to agree with you that he stopped lying about this.</p>
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		By: CV		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/05/09/president-obama/#comment-353904</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2012 15:54:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This could possible cut both ways, of course. Obama has the black vote sewed up no matter what he says or does, but I don&#039;t see how this kind of announcement helps him with opinion leaders such as black preachers, who stand fairly firmly against gay marriage.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This could possible cut both ways, of course. Obama has the black vote sewed up no matter what he says or does, but I don&#8217;t see how this kind of announcement helps him with opinion leaders such as black preachers, who stand fairly firmly against gay marriage.</p>
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		By: CV		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/05/09/president-obama/#comment-353903</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2012 15:49:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think this announcement was planned from before Biden made his comments. Yes he is known to shoot his mouth off, but Biden made his &quot;completely comfortable&quot; remarks on Meet the Press which suggests he was laying the groundwork. Then Arne Duncan pipes up his support on MSNBC&#039;s Morning Joe, which basically takes talking points from the WH. Then surprise surprise, Obama announces that his &quot;evolution&quot; is complete, surprising no one.

It&#039;s all about shoring up the base and trying to win back those young voters, independents, etc. whose 2008 enthusiasm has cooled quite a bit. Plus, more importantly, the WaPo just ran a story about how a significant number of bundlers for his superPAC are in same sex relationships and these big bucks donors were really putting the squeeze on him...suggesting that if he didn&#039;t &quot;come out&quot; the money might not flow as expected.

As with so many things, just follow the money. Obama is the king of expediency.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this announcement was planned from before Biden made his comments. Yes he is known to shoot his mouth off, but Biden made his &#8220;completely comfortable&#8221; remarks on Meet the Press which suggests he was laying the groundwork. Then Arne Duncan pipes up his support on MSNBC&#8217;s Morning Joe, which basically takes talking points from the WH. Then surprise surprise, Obama announces that his &#8220;evolution&#8221; is complete, surprising no one.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s all about shoring up the base and trying to win back those young voters, independents, etc. whose 2008 enthusiasm has cooled quite a bit. Plus, more importantly, the WaPo just ran a story about how a significant number of bundlers for his superPAC are in same sex relationships and these big bucks donors were really putting the squeeze on him&#8230;suggesting that if he didn&#8217;t &#8220;come out&#8221; the money might not flow as expected.</p>
<p>As with so many things, just follow the money. Obama is the king of expediency.</p>
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		By: Michael		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/05/09/president-obama/#comment-353883</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2012 15:03:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[neo-neocon 

I apologize if my comment on flip-flopping was hurtful.  It was not my intent.  And I agree with your comment about most politicians.  We see daily examples of our leaders contorting themselves in order to not answer a question out of fear of offending the immediate audience or because they do not want to commit themselves lest they loose votes.  In my opinion they are lying by omission.  And to a given extent I can live with that although I am starting to grow weary of the act.

In the case of the President and the re-definition of marriage, it is my opinion that he was lying by commission.  Granted there may be other explanations but I find them exceedingly hard to believe.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>neo-neocon </p>
<p>I apologize if my comment on flip-flopping was hurtful.  It was not my intent.  And I agree with your comment about most politicians.  We see daily examples of our leaders contorting themselves in order to not answer a question out of fear of offending the immediate audience or because they do not want to commit themselves lest they loose votes.  In my opinion they are lying by omission.  And to a given extent I can live with that although I am starting to grow weary of the act.</p>
<p>In the case of the President and the re-definition of marriage, it is my opinion that he was lying by commission.  Granted there may be other explanations but I find them exceedingly hard to believe.</p>
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		By: Libby		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/05/09/president-obama/#comment-353863</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2012 14:09:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;I don’t have a problem with civil partnerships, but I am extremely wary of having activists suing everyone about how our system is unfair. &quot;

Expat, that&#039;s exactly how I feel. The activists fighting for same-sex marriage have shown us that they don&#039;t just want same-sex couples to live peacefully amongst hetero couples (they already do), they&#039;re on a mission to ensure that EVERYONE accepts (if not embraces) their lifestyle. 

For example, look at how Perez Hilton (and then the entertainment industry) treated Carrie Prejean, or how the CA Prop 8 donors were outed and harassed. Activists succeeded in getting some fired from their jobs. Activists stormed a Mormon church and assaulted parishioners. These people are not looking for acceptance, they want to destroy those who don&#039;t agree with them.

I see Obama&#039;s support of same-sex marriage not so much as a tolerance of same-sex relationships, but as a declaration that he sides with those who want to fight any person, and any institution, that doesn&#039;t embrace the gay lifestyle. I hope that Catholics (all all Catholic institutions) and non-religious organizations like the Boy Scouts of America got the message: Obama does not tolerate your religious or lifestyle choices.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I don’t have a problem with civil partnerships, but I am extremely wary of having activists suing everyone about how our system is unfair. &#8221;</p>
<p>Expat, that&#8217;s exactly how I feel. The activists fighting for same-sex marriage have shown us that they don&#8217;t just want same-sex couples to live peacefully amongst hetero couples (they already do), they&#8217;re on a mission to ensure that EVERYONE accepts (if not embraces) their lifestyle. </p>
<p>For example, look at how Perez Hilton (and then the entertainment industry) treated Carrie Prejean, or how the CA Prop 8 donors were outed and harassed. Activists succeeded in getting some fired from their jobs. Activists stormed a Mormon church and assaulted parishioners. These people are not looking for acceptance, they want to destroy those who don&#8217;t agree with them.</p>
<p>I see Obama&#8217;s support of same-sex marriage not so much as a tolerance of same-sex relationships, but as a declaration that he sides with those who want to fight any person, and any institution, that doesn&#8217;t embrace the gay lifestyle. I hope that Catholics (all all Catholic institutions) and non-religious organizations like the Boy Scouts of America got the message: Obama does not tolerate your religious or lifestyle choices.</p>
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		By: southernjames		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/05/09/president-obama/#comment-353849</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2012 13:13:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;want to bet that if reelected he won’t ‘evolve’ into deciding that gay marriage is a federal issue after all?&quot;

That will occur within three weeks of his inauguration for a second term.  Why that long? Because first, he and Michelle and the girls will take an &quot;in your face, Suck on THIS, America&quot; two week, INTENTIONALLY lavish and over the top, vacation to some Carribean resort, on our dime.   

They will not give a damn about their image, or popularity.  She will stop the fake smiling or being friendly in public -- and will cease the photo -ops at the food kitchen type stuff.  

As for him -- the power of the executive branch (ATF, TSA, EPA, FCC, etc.) will be used like it&#039;s never been used before, to conduct end runs around congress and impose draconian leftist rules, regulations, and totalitarian mandates.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;want to bet that if reelected he won’t ‘evolve’ into deciding that gay marriage is a federal issue after all?&#8221;</p>
<p>That will occur within three weeks of his inauguration for a second term.  Why that long? Because first, he and Michelle and the girls will take an &#8220;in your face, Suck on THIS, America&#8221; two week, INTENTIONALLY lavish and over the top, vacation to some Carribean resort, on our dime.   </p>
<p>They will not give a damn about their image, or popularity.  She will stop the fake smiling or being friendly in public &#8212; and will cease the photo -ops at the food kitchen type stuff.  </p>
<p>As for him &#8212; the power of the executive branch (ATF, TSA, EPA, FCC, etc.) will be used like it&#8217;s never been used before, to conduct end runs around congress and impose draconian leftist rules, regulations, and totalitarian mandates.</p>
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		By: Geoffrey Britain		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/05/09/president-obama/#comment-353836</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2012 12:51:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;&quot;It is funny though that he will alow the states to decide on the issue of gay marriage while intervening federally on imigration or right to work issues. hmmmm….&quot;&lt;/i&gt; 

That&#039;s his stated position, now...want to bet that if reelected he won&#039;t &#039;evolve&#039; into deciding that gay marriage is a federal issue after all?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;It is funny though that he will alow the states to decide on the issue of gay marriage while intervening federally on imigration or right to work issues. hmmmm….&#8221;</i> </p>
<p>That&#8217;s his stated position, now&#8230;want to bet that if reelected he won&#8217;t &#8216;evolve&#8217; into deciding that gay marriage is a federal issue after all?</p>
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