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		By: Parker		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/05/04/its-the-economy/#comment-352358</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Parker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2012 05:37:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[http://www.usdebtclock.org/  + tens upon tens upon tens of trillions in unfunded liabilities coming due in 20 years = ?  BTW, the Federal Reserve is not your friend. Credit Default Swap says it all.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.usdebtclock.org/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.usdebtclock.org/</a>  + tens upon tens upon tens of trillions in unfunded liabilities coming due in 20 years = ?  BTW, the Federal Reserve is not your friend. Credit Default Swap says it all.</p>
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		By: ELC		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/05/04/its-the-economy/#comment-351770</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ELC]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2012 22:05:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yes, I too have noticed that even the mainstream-media outlets are no longer &quot;ignoring the fact that a lot of people have dropped out of the workforce,&quot; as they did before. Seeing as how even three months ago I would have considered that to be nigh impossible, I think it is significant.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I too have noticed that even the mainstream-media outlets are no longer &#8220;ignoring the fact that a lot of people have dropped out of the workforce,&#8221; as they did before. Seeing as how even three months ago I would have considered that to be nigh impossible, I think it is significant.</p>
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		By: J.J. formerly Jimmy J.		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/05/04/its-the-economy/#comment-351685</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2012 18:45:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The situation seems worse than it was in the 70s, but IMO, it&#039;s not. Here&#039;s  why. We have a more powerful economy than we did then. The S&#038;P 500 companies have just finished reporting last quarter&#039;s earnings. In spite of a crappy economy, 75% were good. Because of the internet, cell phones, computers, and much more, our companies are far more efficient than in the 70s. The managers have been doing a good job during bad times. The level of the stock market reflects that.

In addition, we now have the technology (horizontal drilling &#038; fracking) to solve our energy problem. This economic malaise is primarily due to high energy  costs, government restrictions on producing more of  our now available resources, and uncertainty  about taxes and regulations.  The 70s economic malaise was due to much  the same things.  Because we now have the ability to  solve our energy problems, if the  government will get out of the way, we&#039;re much better off than in the 70s. Back then our energy companies had to look overseas for new energy sources. They were successful, but now,  with most new overseas oil sources locked up by national soveignty issues and new demand from India and China, more sources must be opened up here in the U.S. (It would do wonders just to reduce the amount of money we send overseas for imported oil.) 

The debt  is larger, but we have to look at the debt closely and  see why it is different. I like to read a blog called the Skeptical Optimist.  The blogger, Steve Conover, injects what I think is some perspective into the economic picture.  Here&#039;s an essay on the debt and why the economy matters:
http://tinyurl.com/8yvv7z6
Read it to get a different take on the debt issue.

Look at the  chart of the  debt and who we owe it  to. The biggest chunk, 31.2% of the debt (almost $5 trillion), is owed to the Federal government. That is the &quot;not so  trustworthy&quot; Social Security/Medicare  trust fund. That&#039;s why people like Paul Ryan are talking  about the necessity of reforming SS and Medicare. If we can reduce those two entitlement programs by 10-15%, hold discretionatry spending flat or lower, and increase revenues by getting the economy moving again, we will be well on our way to solving our debt problems. That&#039;s why it&#039;s the economy that matters in this election.  Call me a foolish optimist, but there are solutions to our problems if we will but see them.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The situation seems worse than it was in the 70s, but IMO, it&#8217;s not. Here&#8217;s  why. We have a more powerful economy than we did then. The S&amp;P 500 companies have just finished reporting last quarter&#8217;s earnings. In spite of a crappy economy, 75% were good. Because of the internet, cell phones, computers, and much more, our companies are far more efficient than in the 70s. The managers have been doing a good job during bad times. The level of the stock market reflects that.</p>
<p>In addition, we now have the technology (horizontal drilling &amp; fracking) to solve our energy problem. This economic malaise is primarily due to high energy  costs, government restrictions on producing more of  our now available resources, and uncertainty  about taxes and regulations.  The 70s economic malaise was due to much  the same things.  Because we now have the ability to  solve our energy problems, if the  government will get out of the way, we&#8217;re much better off than in the 70s. Back then our energy companies had to look overseas for new energy sources. They were successful, but now,  with most new overseas oil sources locked up by national soveignty issues and new demand from India and China, more sources must be opened up here in the U.S. (It would do wonders just to reduce the amount of money we send overseas for imported oil.) </p>
<p>The debt  is larger, but we have to look at the debt closely and  see why it is different. I like to read a blog called the Skeptical Optimist.  The blogger, Steve Conover, injects what I think is some perspective into the economic picture.  Here&#8217;s an essay on the debt and why the economy matters:<br />
<a href="http://tinyurl.com/8yvv7z6" rel="nofollow ugc">http://tinyurl.com/8yvv7z6</a><br />
Read it to get a different take on the debt issue.</p>
<p>Look at the  chart of the  debt and who we owe it  to. The biggest chunk, 31.2% of the debt (almost $5 trillion), is owed to the Federal government. That is the &#8220;not so  trustworthy&#8221; Social Security/Medicare  trust fund. That&#8217;s why people like Paul Ryan are talking  about the necessity of reforming SS and Medicare. If we can reduce those two entitlement programs by 10-15%, hold discretionatry spending flat or lower, and increase revenues by getting the economy moving again, we will be well on our way to solving our debt problems. That&#8217;s why it&#8217;s the economy that matters in this election.  Call me a foolish optimist, but there are solutions to our problems if we will but see them.</p>
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		By: Richard Aubrey		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/05/04/its-the-economy/#comment-351487</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2012 11:36:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I worked with a bunch of faith-based libs twenty some years ago.
During the Reagan improvements, we were told many times we had to be sensitive to the &quot;discouraged workers&quot;, those not represented in the unemployment figures.
I don&#039;t see the same emphasis this time around.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I worked with a bunch of faith-based libs twenty some years ago.<br />
During the Reagan improvements, we were told many times we had to be sensitive to the &#8220;discouraged workers&#8221;, those not represented in the unemployment figures.<br />
I don&#8217;t see the same emphasis this time around.</p>
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		By: rickl		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2012 05:46:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;down&quot;, not &quot;town&quot;, of course.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;down&#8221;, not &#8220;town&#8221;, of course.</p>
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		By: rickl		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2012 05:41:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think the situation is an order of magnitude worse today than it was in the late 70s.

The debt we have today was inconceivable back then, and we&#039;ve had at least two generations who have been deliberately dumbed town to ignore and disdain American history and values.

As is often said at Belmont Club, we&#039;re running out of design margin.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the situation is an order of magnitude worse today than it was in the late 70s.</p>
<p>The debt we have today was inconceivable back then, and we&#8217;ve had at least two generations who have been deliberately dumbed town to ignore and disdain American history and values.</p>
<p>As is often said at Belmont Club, we&#8217;re running out of design margin.</p>
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		By: Parker		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/05/04/its-the-economy/#comment-351358</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Parker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2012 02:58:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[JJ formerly,

From reading your Neo posts for the past 2 yrs I can readily say you are an honorable person, but IMNSHO you are a few dollars short of reality.  I too believe &quot;we can do it again&quot; but alas, we can not do it again unless 50%+ believe in the dream of America.  To &quot;do it again&quot; will require deep sacrifices and I doubt the &#039;99%&#039; understand the sun does not rise in the east.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JJ formerly,</p>
<p>From reading your Neo posts for the past 2 yrs I can readily say you are an honorable person, but IMNSHO you are a few dollars short of reality.  I too believe &#8220;we can do it again&#8221; but alas, we can not do it again unless 50%+ believe in the dream of America.  To &#8220;do it again&#8221; will require deep sacrifices and I doubt the &#8216;99%&#8217; understand the sun does not rise in the east.</p>
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		By: J.J. formerly Jimmy J.		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/05/04/its-the-economy/#comment-351354</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2012 02:39:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Parker said, &quot;I’ve been bearish for many moons so color me jaded and cynical… but IMO things are not going to work out.&quot;

Yes,  I agree that Europe, at  least southern Europe, is going to have a deep recession and that will affect us, no doubt about it. Things are  not all that great in Asia and South America either. That said, we can come back, if we can get a government in place that gets out of the way of the economy. However, the sands are running through the hour  glass and everyday of economic malaise makes it  that much harder to get the engine running again.  That&#039;s why this election is all about  the economy. 

These days remind me a lot of  the late 70s. Things seemed equally bad then.  I had my  family  in a mountain retreat with guns and ammo, a bag of silver coins, and a plan to live off the land when everything came to a halt.  Imagine my surprise that, after double digit inflation, we then had 15% interest rates to kill the inflation, which in turn caused a very deep recession; everything held together. Not only did it hold, but with a government that encouraged the economy, we prospered for 17 years. Confidence that there  is a better future out there for the taking is what we need. Call me a wild eyed optimist, but I  believe we can  do it again.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Parker said, &#8220;I’ve been bearish for many moons so color me jaded and cynical… but IMO things are not going to work out.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes,  I agree that Europe, at  least southern Europe, is going to have a deep recession and that will affect us, no doubt about it. Things are  not all that great in Asia and South America either. That said, we can come back, if we can get a government in place that gets out of the way of the economy. However, the sands are running through the hour  glass and everyday of economic malaise makes it  that much harder to get the engine running again.  That&#8217;s why this election is all about  the economy. </p>
<p>These days remind me a lot of  the late 70s. Things seemed equally bad then.  I had my  family  in a mountain retreat with guns and ammo, a bag of silver coins, and a plan to live off the land when everything came to a halt.  Imagine my surprise that, after double digit inflation, we then had 15% interest rates to kill the inflation, which in turn caused a very deep recession; everything held together. Not only did it hold, but with a government that encouraged the economy, we prospered for 17 years. Confidence that there  is a better future out there for the taking is what we need. Call me a wild eyed optimist, but I  believe we can  do it again.</p>
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		By: Parker		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/05/04/its-the-economy/#comment-351342</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Parker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2012 02:15:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m a peaceful man, but this whole victim clannish idenity makes me want to hammer down on lazy, feel entitled to the sweat of others parasites.  I&#039;m so glad I live in fly over country where choose to be victims are rare.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a peaceful man, but this whole victim clannish idenity makes me want to hammer down on lazy, feel entitled to the sweat of others parasites.  I&#8217;m so glad I live in fly over country where choose to be victims are rare.</p>
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		By: Mr. Frank		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/05/04/its-the-economy/#comment-351327</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2012 01:27:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Here it is. It&#039;s a shame people can be so duped.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P36x8rTb3jI]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here it is. It&#8217;s a shame people can be so duped.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P36x8rTb3jI" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P36x8rTb3jI</a></p>
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