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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/05/01/obama-boasts-and-innuendos/#comment-350883</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2012 03:36:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Parker: very well put.]]></description>
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		By: Parker		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/05/01/obama-boasts-and-innuendos/#comment-350865</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Parker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2012 02:46:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Whoa!  To quote Rodney, &quot;Can&#039;t we get along?&quot;

Be careful when you judge and make sure you are judging each person as an individual without regard to their politics.  Judge others by their actions, not their words.  If you can not accept, except in extreme circumstnaces, that there are people who see the world differently than you, you are on the verge of becoming what you hate.  To everything there is a season.  The season of war against our brothers and sisters is not now on the horizon.  It may well come down to that but until then keep your powder dry.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoa!  To quote Rodney, &#8220;Can&#8217;t we get along?&#8221;</p>
<p>Be careful when you judge and make sure you are judging each person as an individual without regard to their politics.  Judge others by their actions, not their words.  If you can not accept, except in extreme circumstnaces, that there are people who see the world differently than you, you are on the verge of becoming what you hate.  To everything there is a season.  The season of war against our brothers and sisters is not now on the horizon.  It may well come down to that but until then keep your powder dry.</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/05/01/obama-boasts-and-innuendos/#comment-350757</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2012 21:36:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Don Carlos: if you had said only what you just said in your most recent comment, we wouldn&#039;t be having this argument. 

But whatever your intent, you conveyed something quite different, and it wasn&#039;t just about my closest relatives, it was about me, too, prior to my change.

I think your last comment is the closest I&#039;ll get to an apology from you.  Since you are a long-time commenter here, I have no desire to ban you.  But saying to me things like &quot;get a grip&quot; in that snarky way isn&#039;t such a hot idea either, when it is you who were going over the top in your comments.

The reason I&#039;m harping on this isn&#039;t just the &quot;don&#039;t insult my loved ones&quot; part.  It&#039;s that we gain absolutely nothing by demonizing those who disagree with us.  The Democrat and liberal side contains a broad spectrum of people, not just the stereotypes I&#039;ve read about so often.  Yes, there are the irrational, the uninformed, the overly emotional, the illogical, and those who lack judgment.  But some of my friends and relatives who are liberals are highly informed, highly rational, highly thoughtful, and highly moral people who have simply come to different conclusions about the meaning of history and the dangers facing us, as well as their best solutions.  

The right is not a bunch of saints who have all the answers, either, as I&#039;m sure you know.  And cutting off the conversation with liberals and demonizing them is the best way to sound like an irrational hothead, only one on the right.  I&#039;m sure you know that they exist, too.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don Carlos: if you had said only what you just said in your most recent comment, we wouldn&#8217;t be having this argument. </p>
<p>But whatever your intent, you conveyed something quite different, and it wasn&#8217;t just about my closest relatives, it was about me, too, prior to my change.</p>
<p>I think your last comment is the closest I&#8217;ll get to an apology from you.  Since you are a long-time commenter here, I have no desire to ban you.  But saying to me things like &#8220;get a grip&#8221; in that snarky way isn&#8217;t such a hot idea either, when it is you who were going over the top in your comments.</p>
<p>The reason I&#8217;m harping on this isn&#8217;t just the &#8220;don&#8217;t insult my loved ones&#8221; part.  It&#8217;s that we gain absolutely nothing by demonizing those who disagree with us.  The Democrat and liberal side contains a broad spectrum of people, not just the stereotypes I&#8217;ve read about so often.  Yes, there are the irrational, the uninformed, the overly emotional, the illogical, and those who lack judgment.  But some of my friends and relatives who are liberals are highly informed, highly rational, highly thoughtful, and highly moral people who have simply come to different conclusions about the meaning of history and the dangers facing us, as well as their best solutions.  </p>
<p>The right is not a bunch of saints who have all the answers, either, as I&#8217;m sure you know.  And cutting off the conversation with liberals and demonizing them is the best way to sound like an irrational hothead, only one on the right.  I&#8217;m sure you know that they exist, too.</p>
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		By: Don Carlos		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/05/01/obama-boasts-and-innuendos/#comment-350753</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2012 21:21:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Neo: Just to be clear, I did not intend to insult and revile your closest and dearest. I intended to get across that these otherwise good people, like my brother and my son, and, yes, the Good Germans, wholly good and moral in their personal lives, become part of the problem, not the solution, when they vote. I am frustrated by that, and desite loving them do not respect their adherence to an ideological system that is unhealthy for us all. If it only affected them that would be their choice, and OK. But all us fish are swimming in the same tank.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neo: Just to be clear, I did not intend to insult and revile your closest and dearest. I intended to get across that these otherwise good people, like my brother and my son, and, yes, the Good Germans, wholly good and moral in their personal lives, become part of the problem, not the solution, when they vote. I am frustrated by that, and desite loving them do not respect their adherence to an ideological system that is unhealthy for us all. If it only affected them that would be their choice, and OK. But all us fish are swimming in the same tank.</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/05/01/obama-boasts-and-innuendos/#comment-350731</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2012 20:14:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Don Carlos: you have alternatives to leaving, should you choose to take them.  I wouldn&#039;t think they&#039;d be so onerous.  If you leave, it is your choice.

And by the way, if you think it&#039;s okay to come onto a blog and insult and revile the blogger&#039;s closest and dearest relatives, sight unseen, when you know next to nothing about them except that they are Democrats, then I think you need to reconsider that approach.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don Carlos: you have alternatives to leaving, should you choose to take them.  I wouldn&#8217;t think they&#8217;d be so onerous.  If you leave, it is your choice.</p>
<p>And by the way, if you think it&#8217;s okay to come onto a blog and insult and revile the blogger&#8217;s closest and dearest relatives, sight unseen, when you know next to nothing about them except that they are Democrats, then I think you need to reconsider that approach.</p>
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		By: Don Carlos		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2012 18:53:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It is your blog. Vaya con Dios.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is your blog. Vaya con Dios.</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/05/01/obama-boasts-and-innuendos/#comment-350675</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2012 17:13:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Don Carlos: you quite consistently misrepresent what I&#039;ve said, either through your misunderstanding of it or through purposeful mischaracterization (don&#039;t know which, but I prefer to think it&#039;s the former).  

Let me make it even more clear then, so there&#039;s no misunderstanding: you certainly can make judgments all you want, whether they&#039;re correct or not.  I am free to disagree with them, which I do on this thread.  I give out opinions all the time, and judgments too---I have never been one of those people who say we shouldn&#039;t make judgments.  Nor am I saying you should not make judgments, or any other commenter---blogs are all about judgments and opinions, as well as facts.

What I am condemning you for is making a judgment about the morality of my friends and family who are liberals (although one based on lack of knowledge of what my friends and family actually think, and why) and then claiming you are just &quot;questioning&quot; their morality.  That is disingenuous of you.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://neoneocon.com/2012/05/01/obama-boasts-and-innuendos/#comment-350275&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here&lt;/a&gt; is your quote:

&lt;blockquote&gt;I was pointing out that your “good and moral” friends are in fact not good and moral&lt;/blockquote&gt;

And then &lt;a href=&quot;http://neoneocon.com/2012/05/01/obama-boasts-and-innuendos/#comment-350435&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;you wrote&lt;/a&gt;:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Neo’ lashing out at posters who question the goodness and morality of her “friends of a lifetime, and her closest relatives” is off the mark.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

And I wrote &lt;a href=&quot;http://neoneocon.com/2012/05/01/obama-boasts-and-innuendos/#comment-350470&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;: &quot;you didn&#039;t question their morality.  You judged it.&quot;

Let me repeat: I have no problem with judgments.  I have a problem with judgments based on ignorance, and I especially have a problem based with judgments that a person calls questions rather than judgments.  

I also have an increasing problem with your snarky tone--&quot;get a grip&quot; and all the rest.  You are a long-time commenter here, and I have cut you a lot of slack so far, but that will not continue indefinitely if the snark continues.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don Carlos: you quite consistently misrepresent what I&#8217;ve said, either through your misunderstanding of it or through purposeful mischaracterization (don&#8217;t know which, but I prefer to think it&#8217;s the former).  </p>
<p>Let me make it even more clear then, so there&#8217;s no misunderstanding: you certainly can make judgments all you want, whether they&#8217;re correct or not.  I am free to disagree with them, which I do on this thread.  I give out opinions all the time, and judgments too&#8212;I have never been one of those people who say we shouldn&#8217;t make judgments.  Nor am I saying you should not make judgments, or any other commenter&#8212;blogs are all about judgments and opinions, as well as facts.</p>
<p>What I am condemning you for is making a judgment about the morality of my friends and family who are liberals (although one based on lack of knowledge of what my friends and family actually think, and why) and then claiming you are just &#8220;questioning&#8221; their morality.  That is disingenuous of you.</p>
<p><a href="http://neoneocon.com/2012/05/01/obama-boasts-and-innuendos/#comment-350275" rel="nofollow">Here</a> is your quote:</p>
<blockquote><p>I was pointing out that your “good and moral” friends are in fact not good and moral</p></blockquote>
<p>And then <a href="http://neoneocon.com/2012/05/01/obama-boasts-and-innuendos/#comment-350435" rel="nofollow">you wrote</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>Neo’ lashing out at posters who question the goodness and morality of her “friends of a lifetime, and her closest relatives” is off the mark.</p></blockquote>
<p>And I wrote <a href="http://neoneocon.com/2012/05/01/obama-boasts-and-innuendos/#comment-350470" rel="nofollow">here</a>: &#8220;you didn&#8217;t question their morality.  You judged it.&#8221;</p>
<p>Let me repeat: I have no problem with judgments.  I have a problem with judgments based on ignorance, and I especially have a problem based with judgments that a person calls questions rather than judgments.  </p>
<p>I also have an increasing problem with your snarky tone&#8211;&#8220;get a grip&#8221; and all the rest.  You are a long-time commenter here, and I have cut you a lot of slack so far, but that will not continue indefinitely if the snark continues.</p>
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		By: Don Carlos		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2012 14:05:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yes indeed, Neo. In that last paragraph you refer to your judgement of posters you don&#039;t like, yet you condemn me for judging.
Ban me if you judge it wise, necessary, and prudent. Ban me for disagreeing with you.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes indeed, Neo. In that last paragraph you refer to your judgement of posters you don&#8217;t like, yet you condemn me for judging.<br />
Ban me if you judge it wise, necessary, and prudent. Ban me for disagreeing with you.</p>
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		By: SteveH		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2012 10:55:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[All the good intentioned democrats remind me of an elderly lady i know, who loves dogs so much she&#039;ll take any stray in and and feed it crap until it&#039;s obese as hell and can barely walk.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All the good intentioned democrats remind me of an elderly lady i know, who loves dogs so much she&#8217;ll take any stray in and and feed it crap until it&#8217;s obese as hell and can barely walk.</p>
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		By: John McLachlan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2012 03:25:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Neo-neocon, your friends are probably mostly ordinary people, who don&#039;t engage in gratuitous violence or any anti-social activities and mostly have similar attitudes to yourself.  However, the cause which they have chosen to support, is one whose end result is re-education camps for political opponents, as in every other socialist regime.  They are probably ignorant of the fact that their current leader, Barack Obama is a close associate of William Ayres, of the Weather Underground, who, according to an FBI informant, were dispassionately considering and discussing the logistics of murdering 10% of the population of the United States; those who would refuse to be re-educated.  Their support for an evil cause may or may not make them evil people, but they will share responsibility for the consequences of what they, perhaps in ignorance, enable or promote.
I suspect that most of them think that a social democratic society, similar to european countries is what they want, but the role of the state always expands.  Tyranny arrives more slowly, but it still arrives.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neo-neocon, your friends are probably mostly ordinary people, who don&#8217;t engage in gratuitous violence or any anti-social activities and mostly have similar attitudes to yourself.  However, the cause which they have chosen to support, is one whose end result is re-education camps for political opponents, as in every other socialist regime.  They are probably ignorant of the fact that their current leader, Barack Obama is a close associate of William Ayres, of the Weather Underground, who, according to an FBI informant, were dispassionately considering and discussing the logistics of murdering 10% of the population of the United States; those who would refuse to be re-educated.  Their support for an evil cause may or may not make them evil people, but they will share responsibility for the consequences of what they, perhaps in ignorance, enable or promote.<br />
I suspect that most of them think that a social democratic society, similar to european countries is what they want, but the role of the state always expands.  Tyranny arrives more slowly, but it still arrives.</p>
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