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		By: Curtis		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Curtis]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[uncleFred, it looks like Drudge is in the tank too for Romney. I notice there&#039;s a breathless expose that Santorum, as a fundamental Catholic, actually believes in his religion. 

The conservative pundit onslaught against Newt did not really help Romney. It will be even worse for Romney if they duplicate such attack against Santorum. Santorum. Doesn&#039;t that have a Latin feel to it. Santorum unites  fundamental Catholics and Evangelicals, both of whom are not going to respond with anything but secret pleasure to Santorum&#039;s charge that there is a Satan and that he is leading the charge against America&#039;s institutions. It might spell doom in the general, but in the primary, it probably only increases the dedicated support Santorum has.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>uncleFred, it looks like Drudge is in the tank too for Romney. I notice there&#8217;s a breathless expose that Santorum, as a fundamental Catholic, actually believes in his religion. </p>
<p>The conservative pundit onslaught against Newt did not really help Romney. It will be even worse for Romney if they duplicate such attack against Santorum. Santorum. Doesn&#8217;t that have a Latin feel to it. Santorum unites  fundamental Catholics and Evangelicals, both of whom are not going to respond with anything but secret pleasure to Santorum&#8217;s charge that there is a Satan and that he is leading the charge against America&#8217;s institutions. It might spell doom in the general, but in the primary, it probably only increases the dedicated support Santorum has.</p>
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		By: DNW		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/02/20/conservatives-for-big-government/#comment-319501</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DNW]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 18:25:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Curtis Says:
February 20th, 2012 at 9:14 pm

Here’s one way to keep the people actually and fiscally empowered: Don’t pay for gov’t spending by inflation. I was looking at a site where it showed a glazed donut was purchasable with food stamps, but the thing that caught me was the glazed donut was 99 cents. A simple glazed donut. 99 cents.&quot;


An acquaintance of mine ran a blog on which he occasionally linked to the infamous Ms Amanda Marcotte; usually as an example of a paradigm case of vulgar leftist lunacy run amok.

Following one of the links, I came across this classic piece of exposition; wherein Amanda reasons her way to the inevitable conclusion that it&#039;s not their fault, it&#039;s yours.

&quot;Poverty, theoretically, should not make you the marionette of others’ social expectations.  High-calorie, low-nutrient food is insanely cheap.&quot;

http://pandagon.net/index.php/site/comments/tiny_tim_said_mother_stop_savoring_that_gruel_before_someone_thinks_were_no


The author of that bit is the same one who posted this penetrating observation: &quot;Of course, there’s lots of ways to get sick that have nothing to do with where your apples came from.  The recent death of Ted Kennedy, who got brain cancer and didn’t die from any kind of abuse of his body, should be a somber enough reminder of that.&quot;


&quot; and didn’t die from any kind of abuse of his body ...&quot; 

Well, she may know that a life spent as a fat, morally dissolute drunk, contributed nothing to his ultimate condition and demise, and she may be right.  But as of this moment, I would suggest that the jury is still out on that one.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Curtis Says:<br />
February 20th, 2012 at 9:14 pm</p>
<p>Here’s one way to keep the people actually and fiscally empowered: Don’t pay for gov’t spending by inflation. I was looking at a site where it showed a glazed donut was purchasable with food stamps, but the thing that caught me was the glazed donut was 99 cents. A simple glazed donut. 99 cents.&#8221;</p>
<p>An acquaintance of mine ran a blog on which he occasionally linked to the infamous Ms Amanda Marcotte; usually as an example of a paradigm case of vulgar leftist lunacy run amok.</p>
<p>Following one of the links, I came across this classic piece of exposition; wherein Amanda reasons her way to the inevitable conclusion that it&#8217;s not their fault, it&#8217;s yours.</p>
<p>&#8220;Poverty, theoretically, should not make you the marionette of others’ social expectations.  High-calorie, low-nutrient food is insanely cheap.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://pandagon.net/index.php/site/comments/tiny_tim_said_mother_stop_savoring_that_gruel_before_someone_thinks_were_no" rel="nofollow ugc">http://pandagon.net/index.php/site/comments/tiny_tim_said_mother_stop_savoring_that_gruel_before_someone_thinks_were_no</a></p>
<p>The author of that bit is the same one who posted this penetrating observation: &#8220;Of course, there’s lots of ways to get sick that have nothing to do with where your apples came from.  The recent death of Ted Kennedy, who got brain cancer and didn’t die from any kind of abuse of his body, should be a somber enough reminder of that.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8221; and didn’t die from any kind of abuse of his body &#8230;&#8221; </p>
<p>Well, she may know that a life spent as a fat, morally dissolute drunk, contributed nothing to his ultimate condition and demise, and she may be right.  But as of this moment, I would suggest that the jury is still out on that one.</p>
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		By: Tesh		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/02/20/conservatives-for-big-government/#comment-319484</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tesh]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 16:57:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@uncleFred
Speaking of schools, have you been following the &quot;Common Core&quot; presentations?  They seem like one step closer to a nice, convenient Federally controlled education system, all in the name of &quot;doing it for the children&quot;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@uncleFred<br />
Speaking of schools, have you been following the &#8220;Common Core&#8221; presentations?  They seem like one step closer to a nice, convenient Federally controlled education system, all in the name of &#8220;doing it for the children&#8221;.</p>
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		By: uncleFred		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/02/20/conservatives-for-big-government/#comment-319469</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 15:31:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Daniel - Divided government is fine when things are at least moderately under control. At this point as standing legislation kicks in over the next 4 or so years things are going to get a lot worse very quickly. At this point we need to elect as many small government conservatives as possible (yes they exist), and place the entire government in Republican hands. Then we need to sit on them hard to actually undo some of the damage and pass some actual reforms and cuts. I have no doubt that in the breach at times they will falter, but if we can get enough done we can turn from the brink. 

It took us 70 years (more or less) to get here, it&#039;s going to take us a while to get back. BTW - Getting back means rebuilding the culture of independence. It means getting local control back in out schools and ending the lock that unions have on education. It means restoring equality before the law. It means (eventually) balancing budgets and restoring the 10th amendment. It means term limits on congressmen and returning the selection of Senators to state legislatures, who can remove a sitting Senator by super majority vote. 

Figure at least two perhaps three generations of erratic and slow movement back to a real constitutional republic. I know it seems impossible, but it can be done. The next tiny step in the right direction comes in November, but there will be many many more ugly battles before the nation is restored. 

Curtis: - Hewitt has been in the tank for Romney since the beginning of this election cycle. Do not expect unbiased analysis from him.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daniel &#8211; Divided government is fine when things are at least moderately under control. At this point as standing legislation kicks in over the next 4 or so years things are going to get a lot worse very quickly. At this point we need to elect as many small government conservatives as possible (yes they exist), and place the entire government in Republican hands. Then we need to sit on them hard to actually undo some of the damage and pass some actual reforms and cuts. I have no doubt that in the breach at times they will falter, but if we can get enough done we can turn from the brink. </p>
<p>It took us 70 years (more or less) to get here, it&#8217;s going to take us a while to get back. BTW &#8211; Getting back means rebuilding the culture of independence. It means getting local control back in out schools and ending the lock that unions have on education. It means restoring equality before the law. It means (eventually) balancing budgets and restoring the 10th amendment. It means term limits on congressmen and returning the selection of Senators to state legislatures, who can remove a sitting Senator by super majority vote. </p>
<p>Figure at least two perhaps three generations of erratic and slow movement back to a real constitutional republic. I know it seems impossible, but it can be done. The next tiny step in the right direction comes in November, but there will be many many more ugly battles before the nation is restored. </p>
<p>Curtis: &#8211; Hewitt has been in the tank for Romney since the beginning of this election cycle. Do not expect unbiased analysis from him.</p>
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		By: Daniel		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 12:59:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[We have never had a shrinking government unless you count in the &quot;peace dividend&quot; after the cold war, which we quickly ate up.

Shrinking government is a fantasy.  I&#039;d just like to keep government from continuing to grow.

While it would seem that Republicans would be in the best position to do that, I&#039;ve never seen them be able to contain themselves, either.

For me, I&#039;ll go with divided government anyday.  A strong, foreign policy executive and a congress of the opposite party.  Which party in which branch?  That would depend on the nature of the Supreme Court at the time, which is why it really doesn&#039;t matter to me now - the old and dying justices are all liberals anyway.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have never had a shrinking government unless you count in the &#8220;peace dividend&#8221; after the cold war, which we quickly ate up.</p>
<p>Shrinking government is a fantasy.  I&#8217;d just like to keep government from continuing to grow.</p>
<p>While it would seem that Republicans would be in the best position to do that, I&#8217;ve never seen them be able to contain themselves, either.</p>
<p>For me, I&#8217;ll go with divided government anyday.  A strong, foreign policy executive and a congress of the opposite party.  Which party in which branch?  That would depend on the nature of the Supreme Court at the time, which is why it really doesn&#8217;t matter to me now &#8211; the old and dying justices are all liberals anyway.</p>
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		By: SteveH		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 09:56:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The best we can hope for at this point is an anti big government leader who will simply begin the long march to a reasonable sized federal government.

 All it takes is a visit to Walmart on a busy Saturday to understand how ill equipped the average American is to deal with a society of pulling their own weight and then some.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The best we can hope for at this point is an anti big government leader who will simply begin the long march to a reasonable sized federal government.</p>
<p> All it takes is a visit to Walmart on a busy Saturday to understand how ill equipped the average American is to deal with a society of pulling their own weight and then some.</p>
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		By: Curtis		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Curtis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 04:30:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Do conservatives also believe that rights originate from their government? 

http://www.forbes.com/sites/charleskadlec/2012/02/13/the-audacity-of-power-president-obama-vs-the-catholic-church/

Can it really be only one week since the mask came off? For all those who fear a second Obama term, the Rubicon was crossed, was crossed one week ago.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do conservatives also believe that rights originate from their government? </p>
<p><a href="http://www.forbes.com/sites/charleskadlec/2012/02/13/the-audacity-of-power-president-obama-vs-the-catholic-church/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.forbes.com/sites/charleskadlec/2012/02/13/the-audacity-of-power-president-obama-vs-the-catholic-church/</a></p>
<p>Can it really be only one week since the mask came off? For all those who fear a second Obama term, the Rubicon was crossed, was crossed one week ago.</p>
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		By: Perfected democrat		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/02/20/conservatives-for-big-government/#comment-319328</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Perfected democrat]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 03:17:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ten of the fifteen richest counties in America are located adjacent to Washington... Curtis&#039;s example of the 99 cent glazed donut is an apt example of what is on the long-term horizon for everyone but the government associated elite if the Democrats aren&#039;t effectively challenged. Taxes combined with centrally planned inflation (ie. current administration energy policy) will degrade the masses until they are barely more than struggling kulaks.

The deficits and borrowed money have been out of reality for too long, the only way it can all be handled without a violent crisis is via deliberate inflation. The entitlements and &quot;free stuff&quot; will have ended up just being political party sucker bait for the lower-middle and below classes. The Democratic Party, with the indispensable assistance of some RINO friends, has become probably the most successful racketeering organization in the history of mankind....

http://www.businessinsider.com/ (where-the-one-percent-live-the-15-richest-counties-in-america)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ten of the fifteen richest counties in America are located adjacent to Washington&#8230; Curtis&#8217;s example of the 99 cent glazed donut is an apt example of what is on the long-term horizon for everyone but the government associated elite if the Democrats aren&#8217;t effectively challenged. Taxes combined with centrally planned inflation (ie. current administration energy policy) will degrade the masses until they are barely more than struggling kulaks.</p>
<p>The deficits and borrowed money have been out of reality for too long, the only way it can all be handled without a violent crisis is via deliberate inflation. The entitlements and &#8220;free stuff&#8221; will have ended up just being political party sucker bait for the lower-middle and below classes. The Democratic Party, with the indispensable assistance of some RINO friends, has become probably the most successful racketeering organization in the history of mankind&#8230;.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.businessinsider.com/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.businessinsider.com/</a> (where-the-one-percent-live-the-15-richest-counties-in-america)</p>
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		By: Occam's Beard		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 02:51:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[neo, I believe the quote you&#039;re looking for is this one, from the estimable Alexis de Tocqueville:

&lt;i&gt;“The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public&#039;s money.” &lt;/i&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>neo, I believe the quote you&#8217;re looking for is this one, from the estimable Alexis de Tocqueville:</p>
<p><i>“The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public&#8217;s money.” </i></p>
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		By: M J R		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 02:43:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Curtis (8:52 pm),

Clicked yer link -- good stuff.  It strikes me as pretty sound analysis.

I share what I perceive as your dismay at where we&#039;re all headed, believe me.

Curtis (9:14 pm),

Am I cuckoo, or should we (society) strictly limit what can be purchased with food stamps?  We&#039;re giving the (coerced) charity, our motive is to keep down-and-out folks nourished, hey, okay, let&#039;s-all do that.  But no friggin&#039; doughnuts!!!  Just decent food that will keep a guy/gal afloat until s/he can fend for him/herslef again.

&quot;People say I&#039;m a dreamer,
But I&#039;m not the only one . . .&quot;

--- --- ---

G&#039;night fer now . . . (gettin&#039; late in my time zone on my present work schedule) . . .]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Curtis (8:52 pm),</p>
<p>Clicked yer link &#8212; good stuff.  It strikes me as pretty sound analysis.</p>
<p>I share what I perceive as your dismay at where we&#8217;re all headed, believe me.</p>
<p>Curtis (9:14 pm),</p>
<p>Am I cuckoo, or should we (society) strictly limit what can be purchased with food stamps?  We&#8217;re giving the (coerced) charity, our motive is to keep down-and-out folks nourished, hey, okay, let&#8217;s-all do that.  But no friggin&#8217; doughnuts!!!  Just decent food that will keep a guy/gal afloat until s/he can fend for him/herslef again.</p>
<p>&#8220;People say I&#8217;m a dreamer,<br />
But I&#8217;m not the only one . . .&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8212; &#8212; &#8212;</p>
<p>G&#8217;night fer now . . . (gettin&#8217; late in my time zone on my present work schedule) . . .</p>
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