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		By: foxmarks		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/02/17/primary-timing/#comment-318738</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[foxmarks]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Feb 2012 20:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[vanderleun: His operatives *are* running them.

They’re all members of the Bi-Factional Bank Party.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>vanderleun: His operatives *are* running them.</p>
<p>They’re all members of the Bi-Factional Bank Party.</p>
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		By: vanderleun		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/02/17/primary-timing/#comment-318684</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[vanderleun]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Feb 2012 16:03:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Overall, these primaries could not be going better for Obama if his operatives were running them.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Overall, these primaries could not be going better for Obama if his operatives were running them.</p>
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		By: rickl		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/02/17/primary-timing/#comment-318679</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rickl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Feb 2012 15:17:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[That link again:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.universalworkshop.com/ARVOfull.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Arithmetic of Voting&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That link again:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.universalworkshop.com/ARVOfull.htm" rel="nofollow">The Arithmetic of Voting</a></p>
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		By: rickl		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/02/17/primary-timing/#comment-318678</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rickl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Feb 2012 15:16:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[An alternative voting system that I like very much is called href=&quot;http://www.universalworkshop.com/ARVOfull.htm&quot;&#062;approval voting.

In this system, a voter may cast a vote for any candidate on the ballot.  If you vote for every candidate, your votes cancel each other out and it&#039;s exactly the same as not voting.

With approval voting, you can vote for both the candidate you really want as well as the one you think has the best chance of winning.  It completely eliminates the &quot;throwing your vote away&quot; objection to voting for a third party candidate.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An alternative voting system that I like very much is called href=&#8221;http://www.universalworkshop.com/ARVOfull.htm&#8221;&gt;approval voting.</p>
<p>In this system, a voter may cast a vote for any candidate on the ballot.  If you vote for every candidate, your votes cancel each other out and it&#8217;s exactly the same as not voting.</p>
<p>With approval voting, you can vote for both the candidate you really want as well as the one you think has the best chance of winning.  It completely eliminates the &#8220;throwing your vote away&#8221; objection to voting for a third party candidate.</p>
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		By: rickl		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/02/17/primary-timing/#comment-318676</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rickl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Feb 2012 15:05:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[bob sykes:
I agree that the legendary smoke-filled rooms produced a higher class of candidate.  The party insiders knew the potential candidates as people, and were generally able to weed out extremists, crackpots, and those with serious skeletons in their closets.

I assume the primary system evolved in order to make the selection process more democratic.  See my earlier comment about democracy.  The results have been sadly predictable.

I&#039;m totally opposed to open primaries, but you&#039;re right in that they should be run by the parties, not the state.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bob sykes:<br />
I agree that the legendary smoke-filled rooms produced a higher class of candidate.  The party insiders knew the potential candidates as people, and were generally able to weed out extremists, crackpots, and those with serious skeletons in their closets.</p>
<p>I assume the primary system evolved in order to make the selection process more democratic.  See my earlier comment about democracy.  The results have been sadly predictable.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m totally opposed to open primaries, but you&#8217;re right in that they should be run by the parties, not the state.</p>
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		By: bob sykes		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/02/17/primary-timing/#comment-318673</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bob sykes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Feb 2012 14:28:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The objective reality is that we got better candidates before the  primary system took over. We should get rid of them. Although, they do have entertainment value.

However, if we must have primaries then it is clear that I should have the right to vote in ALL primaries that my state runs. One of the clown-candidates will win the election and run roughshod over me and mine, and I have the right to help decide who, in every party.

If I can vote in only one primary, then the state should not run them. The parties should run the primaries completely independently of the state and pay for them and staff them themselves.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The objective reality is that we got better candidates before the  primary system took over. We should get rid of them. Although, they do have entertainment value.</p>
<p>However, if we must have primaries then it is clear that I should have the right to vote in ALL primaries that my state runs. One of the clown-candidates will win the election and run roughshod over me and mine, and I have the right to help decide who, in every party.</p>
<p>If I can vote in only one primary, then the state should not run them. The parties should run the primaries completely independently of the state and pay for them and staff them themselves.</p>
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		By: texexec		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/02/17/primary-timing/#comment-318666</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[texexec]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Feb 2012 13:37:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think we have a fundamental flaw in our system that makes everything work badly...namely this &quot;one man one vote&quot; business.

Look around all over the world at the democracies...all have problems with people who get government money being able to vote just like the producers do.  Is it any wonder that there&#039;s a long term trend towards socialism?

I&#039;d like a multiple vote system where a person can have more than one vote based on education, service in the military (or other service to the country), owning a business, etc.

Yeah, Texexec...dream on.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we have a fundamental flaw in our system that makes everything work badly&#8230;namely this &#8220;one man one vote&#8221; business.</p>
<p>Look around all over the world at the democracies&#8230;all have problems with people who get government money being able to vote just like the producers do.  Is it any wonder that there&#8217;s a long term trend towards socialism?</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like a multiple vote system where a person can have more than one vote based on education, service in the military (or other service to the country), owning a business, etc.</p>
<p>Yeah, Texexec&#8230;dream on.</p>
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		By: rickl		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/02/17/primary-timing/#comment-318564</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rickl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Feb 2012 03:31:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Getting back to the topic of the primary system, it is severely broken.  The same handful of states go first every time, and the primary schedule is heavily front-loaded with open primary states, thus giving Democrat and independent voters a disproportionate voice in determining the Republican nominee.  This was plainly obvious after 2008, and I don&#039;t see how any attempt was made to fix it.

What was even worse this time was the interminable series of debates that were held before even the first primary.  Nearly all the debates were moderated by MSM liberals.  Conservative talk radio hosts are very popular.  Why were there no debates moderated by Rush Limbaugh, Mark Levin, Dennis Prager, Bill Bennett, or Michael Medved?  Any of them are certainly up to the task.  The only conclusion I can reach is that the Republican leadership wanted it that way.

In my opinion, the debates undermined the primary system itself, and allowed the media and pollsters to choose the front-runner, as well as eliminate several candidates, before any voters got a chance to have their say.  Again, the Republican Party doesn&#039;t seem to have a problem with that.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Getting back to the topic of the primary system, it is severely broken.  The same handful of states go first every time, and the primary schedule is heavily front-loaded with open primary states, thus giving Democrat and independent voters a disproportionate voice in determining the Republican nominee.  This was plainly obvious after 2008, and I don&#8217;t see how any attempt was made to fix it.</p>
<p>What was even worse this time was the interminable series of debates that were held before even the first primary.  Nearly all the debates were moderated by MSM liberals.  Conservative talk radio hosts are very popular.  Why were there no debates moderated by Rush Limbaugh, Mark Levin, Dennis Prager, Bill Bennett, or Michael Medved?  Any of them are certainly up to the task.  The only conclusion I can reach is that the Republican leadership wanted it that way.</p>
<p>In my opinion, the debates undermined the primary system itself, and allowed the media and pollsters to choose the front-runner, as well as eliminate several candidates, before any voters got a chance to have their say.  Again, the Republican Party doesn&#8217;t seem to have a problem with that.</p>
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		By: rickl		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/02/17/primary-timing/#comment-318557</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rickl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Feb 2012 02:25:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yes, Don Carlos, the root of the problem is democracy itself.

It is not a stable form of government.  The Founders were well aware of that, and went to great lengths to avoid it.  Yet some 230 years later, our republic has indeed degenerated into a nearly pure democracy.

Voting must be an earned privilege, not a right.  A society that gives the people riding in the cart equal say with the people pulling the cart is doomed, and there is simply no way around it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Don Carlos, the root of the problem is democracy itself.</p>
<p>It is not a stable form of government.  The Founders were well aware of that, and went to great lengths to avoid it.  Yet some 230 years later, our republic has indeed degenerated into a nearly pure democracy.</p>
<p>Voting must be an earned privilege, not a right.  A society that gives the people riding in the cart equal say with the people pulling the cart is doomed, and there is simply no way around it.</p>
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		By: Don Carlos		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/02/17/primary-timing/#comment-318551</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Don Carlos]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Feb 2012 02:09:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[And most people are not serious about anything beyond arm&#039;s reach; most are chuckleheads.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And most people are not serious about anything beyond arm&#8217;s reach; most are chuckleheads.</p>
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