Comments on: Romney endorsements, yea and nay and just okay

By: Another Tom

Another Tom — Fri, 30 Dec 2011 15:29:18 +0000

Gads. When I first read this thread, I didn’t check the handles and it appears there was already a Tom here. The 12/30 2:27 comment was mine. Guess I’ll have to rename myself.

By: Tom

Tom — Fri, 30 Dec 2011 07:27:59 +0000

foxmarks: As a sidebar, I think a State could have a State religion.

Indeed, many states did into the early nineteenth century, and a few into the mid-19th.

By: Artfldgr

Artfldgr — Fri, 30 Dec 2011 05:38:28 +0000

If they ration my care and education for others based on sex and race and not merit how is that equal? When a judge says I have no rights how is that not a violation?

Basically it’s hopeless and my wife has to suffer as long as I am alive
not any options there are there since the things you quoted are being ignored!!!!!!!
thanks neo, I really only have the one option they want for me dont I ??

By: Artfldgr

Artfldgr — Fri, 30 Dec 2011 05:33:04 +0000

I work in a reaseatch hospital and have sat with Shadt as a person I work with. Everyone has non answers and don’t know the story at all and presume the whole thing!!!
Or did any delve to find out or were the answers there.

When the memo went out to the researcers and myself at work offering an extra 100 thousand for their studies if they put a woman or minority on th team, did any one care that it’s equivalent to saying drop the white guy and get a bonus?

Your daughter has lots of grants and loans available myself and son do not
she has Obama, the mitary, homeland security on her side due to his signing statements
she has the law on her side as I know from a judge I have no rights
she has the natinalized student loans on her side

this is why my did has several degrees and has been going to college on the public dime since she was 18 and I have none
every year I have tried since I was 19
I am 47 now

so basically the message is give up there is no place for me or anyfamily with me as they can’t get what the law prevents me from getting and they can keep taking from me for others but I can’t have any of that back for me and my own

By: Artfldgr

Artfldgr — Fri, 30 Dec 2011 05:22:17 +0000

My grandfather came here and didn’t speak English, he was illiterate. His wife and child then refused to follow. He worked the coal mines, married my grandmother (also illiterate without English), and moved to ny.
There the family handled garbage and handy repair eeking out a living in the bronx, my mother was born of fir children two which died fir lack of affording care. They could never afford a home as their son later did with their life savings. Mom only got a highschool education.
Dad had a wealthy family back when. They were land owners and our last names were the name of the ‘provence’, like being an Astor. His mother went to college when according to feminists she couldn’t, and became a research biologist at a time other college educated feminists said it could not be. Her husband was a military man. Stalin came and exterminated many of them and stole constitutionally their homes and lives. Then hitler came and murdered more. Many fought against Stalin with the Germans on the eastern front, many died. Then Stalin returned, declared them traitors, and hunted them down. Grandfather hid my father and grandmother in a garbage pile and ruins and went out to meet the soviets. My father watched as they tortured him to death. Having nothing they managed to escape and cross a border and were put onto an American DP camp. They eventually made it to America, with no money, no language, nothing. The scars remained and harmed his whole life, as he was only seven watching the torture and all, till he died a couple of days ago. His family became janitors and being pariahs like my moms, they somehow got married. He had only a highscool education. We lived in a inner city area, the same bad area that is said to make bad people as the article below claims and is not their fault. With illiterate grandparents, barely educated parents, and living in a race war where I was a constant target (been shot at, stabbed, cut several times, had my red hair torn out whole being held down, jumped by gangs, and more, all before I was 10). I studied hard and earned a place in Bronx science, and attended for a while, but the inner city violence was murdering my friends for things like sneakers. So in fear they gathered everything and took me from my lifes effort. I was to be the first to go to college on my mothers side and their hope. We moved away from the garbage, the slum and knife fights to suburbia when I was 13, having to put my dog to sleep on my 14th birthday when we moved. The filth was gone, the inner city aholes were not there, but now I had suburbia violence for being the new kid. (that didn’t last long, they were no match for inner city brtality trained street fighting). From then on I was no longer alowwed to acheive because people who had the same childhood I had (some would say I had it worse), were now blameless for their behavior and the more violent they are and the more victim status they had the right to take what I earned working since I was in grade school. A feminist decided to lie and caused me to lose the ability to go to college. I worked labor jobs, delivery, factory, etc. I earned enough to attend Barnard Baruch college continuing education with old adults and no one my age. I slept on an aunts couch, and lived on the streets of ny mostly homeless on park benches. We had no money for me, but there was plenty available for my sister. She stayed at home, she had college paid for, she is still getting degrees 30 years on, has a home, etc. I was lucky to get hired and was paid half of what others were paid for the same work becauseci have no degree. My dad also was the same, they denied him his earned place for not having a paper, but self teaching himself engineering. He never felt he had self worth. I did great work and was rewarded pretty good. But then a feminist set her sites on me and decided to use the ne women faviritist court to destroy my career, empty my bank accounts, nearly put me in prison as she faked her murder, and despite Jong custody, stole my son. The feminist judge told me that as a male I had no more constitutional rights. Even after she took the boy and her two new kids and robbed a bank I had no right to my family. Because of the fake murder investigation, the police searched my home, went to my fortune 10 job and questioned the president of the company and other CEOs, and my career was over. They questioned me for days and days and even gamed a lie detector test (the man doing the test would get into my personal space or make fast threatening moves to get the graph to show I did it). I lost my family, my career, my home, my friends, my savings, we were not married and there were no legal punishments for her since I was the oppressor male assumed to create the environment that controlled hercbehavior. I had no right to a child I lost out of venue after ny said I had joint custody, basically I wad held to the contract, but her side was voluntary with no repurcussions to ignore it. It was true I had no rights and could not afford to pay her layers to fight against me. I lost my home as she stole the rent money for months putting the landlord off without my knowledge. Feminist groups helped her and so on. For 20 years I struggled and bright my salary bac up but now they decided no raises promotions as inexperienced and incapable had first place to any such and I was told that my efforts to distnguish myself to earn awards, work overtime for free, voluntier my time in other ways was to meet punishment for I would be oppressing and down grading my co workers said the feminist who was promoted secretly so I had no chance to apply (only gay men and women get promoted). They refused to tell others who did the great work so that no professors would bat for me, put me in an office smaller than a bathroom stall where I get zero human contact fir weeks on end, have feces smell from the bathroom and it’s 80degrees plus. No co workersvwill now come near me for fear they will be punished, and I can’t earn a raise or promo. I tried to start my own company, but he SBA gives si much advantage a nice person at the banks explained no one will work with me given the asymetry.

My wife would get tons of support if she never married me, or I die soon. She is from a third world developing nation where Obama spent his childhood. But because she married a white oppressor we have no constitutional right to our lives, business, money, or health. We watch wealthy afford children, we live near the largest section 8 housing in the country and see them with many children. We can’t afford to have a home as with me in the family banks are requiring a large downpayment we can’t earn because I am white, while friends from her country who married their own race can get a home and have a family and promotions.

Now your telling me it’s ok for the state to drain me to pay for other peoples health, other peoples children, other peoples homes, and more.

Why?

Why do the people below deserve that while I don’t?
How is it constitutional to deny me a life, my liberty, my labor, and my future?

I will commit suicide before I slave anymore for others and no retirement and to free up my wife to have a life.
What oppressive thing did my family do specifically or collectively?
Where is this priveledge I am supposed to have?

Screw it all. My life has already been spent in slums that were to define me, and grant me freebies. My life is ruined and there is no way to get or acheive, and now it’s constitutional to enslave me or put me in a prison where I can be gang sodomized for failure to fund others?

How so?

In Washington area, African American students suspended and expelled two to five times as often as whites

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/in-washington-area-african-american-students-suspended-and-expelled-two-to-five-times-as-often-as-whites/2011/12/23/gIQA8WNQNP_story.html

You have kids commuting suicide over what they are doing for communism and collective action and it’s constitutional either at the state or fed level?

Where is there a country for me and my family?

By: foxmarks

foxmarks — Fri, 30 Dec 2011 04:17:50 +0000

I agree with Neo that a State Constitution may permit, or at least not prohibit, a mandatory purchase of some good or service. The specifics would have to be tested in each State.

As a sidebar, I think a State could have a State religion. “Congress shall make no law” is not the same as “no law shall exist in any jurisdiction”. I imagine this has been argued in history, but I haven’t studied it much.

By: Don Carlos

Don Carlos — Fri, 30 Dec 2011 03:34:14 +0000

Artfldgr: Yours is a tale of woe indeed, but as I have slowly learned (and not too well), there is more to it than just being bright and right. One must persuade, one must be liked as well as respected, and not feared due to one’s brutal and factual honesty. Those skills must be learned!

One small point re your son. It takes more than honors in genetics. My (blonde, white, beautiful, determined) daughter graduated from one of our highest-regarded universities with a 3.94 GPA, Magna Cum, PBK, and was only wait-listed at my medical alma mater even though its Development Office was trolling for my contributions, and was told that my willingness to contribute would be contingent on their conduct toward my daughter.

Your son is undoubtedly qualified to be an MD, and he is far from alone in that. The USA has not increased its medical student admission/output in proportion to our demographic needs for a long time. We are “glad” to take in a flood of medical graduates from China, Pakistan, India, Egypt, etc., because their MD degrees have not cost us any $, pretending they will do just fine and assimilate just fine.

By: neo-neocon

neo-neocon — Fri, 30 Dec 2011 02:55:59 +0000

Artfldgr: just because something is wrong, or even tyrannical, does not make it unconstitutional. You can criticize it all you want, but it does not make it unconstitutional. The Constitution of the US is a wonderful document, one of the best in the world, but it does not cover all possibilities for tyranny. In particular, the 10th amendment states that "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." The things explicitly prohibited to the states are in Article 1 Section 10:

No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility. No State shall, without the Consent of the Congress, lay any Imposts or Duties on Imports or Exports, except what may be absolutely necessary for executing it's inspection Laws: and the net Produce of all Duties and Imposts, laid by any State on Imports or Exports, shall be for the Use of the Treasury of the United States; and all such Laws shall be subject to the Revision and Controul of the Congress. No State shall, without the Consent of Congress, lay any duty of Tonnage, keep Troops, or Ships of War in time of Peace, enter into any Agreement or Compact with another State, or with a foreign Power, or engage in War, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of delay.

In addition, the Fourteenth Amendment (equal protection, due process), has wording that means it applies to the states. Most of the other amendments (including the Bill of Rights) also are worded to apply to the states as well as the federal government (except for those that deal with the federal government only, such as limiting presidents to 2 terms of office). There is nothing in the amendments to the constitution or the constitution itself that would prohibit a state from passing an individual mandate to buy health insurance. Again, let me reiterate that that has nothing to do with whether it is a good idea to do so, or a bad idea, or even a form of tyranny. And by the way, just because a court declares something constitutional or unconstitutional doesn't make it so. I believe quite a few laws have been wrongly declared constitutional (such as affirmative action).

By: Artfldgr

Artfldgr — Fri, 30 Dec 2011 02:08:11 +0000

It IS unconstitutional for states to do it. The idea that it becomes constitutional by twisting and distorting and a bunch of collective collusion making it so does not actually make it so. But social engineers know if you game the rules we will believe what is not by false authority. Which is why the constitution no longercreally exists as the rule of law no longer exists. Bringing back unconstitutional debtors prisons, using the power of a gun to my head to buy something the gun holder owns and runs is not constitutional but a pervrsion foisted on the ignorant, uneducated, indoctrinated, and lesser.
It’s also unconstitutional to focechospitalscto treat everyone

youvare confusing the soviet constitution with the old american one. The american constitution grants no such power unless usurpd
it took less than 100 years of soviet games to debase it to the point that they can exterminate and ration based on opressor oppressed dialectical reasoning based in soviet thinking
just cause u never bothers to study it or know it, and have been fed the gamed version still don’t make it so

due to social justice communism my wife and I can’t have a baby, I can’t get a promotion or raise, sna won’t help, and I have no relation to any of the oppressor class it’s revenge payback for, they took away my education, the NIH is taking away my sons career by paying a100k bounty to not hire white males in med, and using what has already been declared unconstitutional to do I. Chinese and others have to score higher than others favored by the state.
So what your saying is that I have to give up on my pension I am earning and go homeless as I can’t pay my bills in ny with such, and my Indonesian wife has to be barren as we are not black enought to have ten state funded kids, or keep my own money to have our own. Ie I am white and she is to be barren because the state is not practcing demographic genocide. Now I will find them rationing care by race too (or have you not bothered to read what the news does not report)

looks like it’s either soviet slavery or suicide as the only options in a free country?

What other option is it so I can freely earn e ough and not have them take it for the oppressed?
Wasn’t the exterminating of my family in Europe and the harm of the state exterminating the last of us enough?

There is only three of us left after dad died this Xmas eve
my son graduated with honors in genetics but can’t find work because he is white and the NIH bounty along with the presidents favoring women and toss of color

why can’t he have a free life and perdue his happiness?
Why can’t I?
Because somewhere the constitution was sovietized and our state became a race and gender based state bent on finishing the exterminatins from overseas

I have a 175IQ, no relations to any oppresors here, college educated, but have inexperienced woman promoted over me for gender bs despite having seniority in career, seniority on the job there, and experience, and they had to ignore their own employee hand book to do it. In violation of segregating law they locked me in a room smaller than a bathroom stall, and lawyers I see basically tell me that if I was a different sex color or orientation they could help

this is the new constitution
where do they derive the power to exterminate my family?

By: foxmarks

foxmarks — Thu, 29 Dec 2011 21:01:52 +0000

Sergey:

I understand your point about needed all the qualities in a single person. The aspect you describe, deciding and accepting consequences, was GWB’s greatest strength.

Using that metric–setting the other necessaries aside–who is the best “Decider” and “Responsibility-taker” in the field?