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		By: foxmarks		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[O.K., J.J. we can agree that for the first decade since 1980, debt wasn’t catastrophic. I’m only poking at that fabled Reagan time as the start of the present bubble.

The things you cite for 2000+ I see as a product of a debt-fueled bubble. Land development and construction was all funded by debt still outstanding. Absent easy money, would we have so many residential square feet per capita? Most of the wealth in financial products was the packaging and expansion of debt. The info tech produced is already obsolete, and was not paid for out of current production. It was financed.

The process improvements in goods production should lead to lower prices. They did not. Why is food more expensive if we’re better at growing it?

Regulation certainly distorts the price system. And it adds deadweight loss to economic transactions. But until the price of risk and the price of money are deregulated we will not know the true price of anything. And when the price of risk and money are set free, the financial world collapses. A Great Repricing of the assets supposedly securing all the debt in the economy is inevitable.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>O.K., J.J. we can agree that for the first decade since 1980, debt wasn’t catastrophic. I’m only poking at that fabled Reagan time as the start of the present bubble.</p>
<p>The things you cite for 2000+ I see as a product of a debt-fueled bubble. Land development and construction was all funded by debt still outstanding. Absent easy money, would we have so many residential square feet per capita? Most of the wealth in financial products was the packaging and expansion of debt. The info tech produced is already obsolete, and was not paid for out of current production. It was financed.</p>
<p>The process improvements in goods production should lead to lower prices. They did not. Why is food more expensive if we’re better at growing it?</p>
<p>Regulation certainly distorts the price system. And it adds deadweight loss to economic transactions. But until the price of risk and the price of money are deregulated we will not know the true price of anything. And when the price of risk and money are set free, the financial world collapses. A Great Repricing of the assets supposedly securing all the debt in the economy is inevitable.</p>
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		By: J.J. formerly Jimmy J.		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2011 04:32:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Foxmarks, I&#039;ve read a number of books about the 2008 crisis. None that I read said much about Reagan&#039;s policies. Many mentioned the CRA, the GSEs (Fannie and Freddie), easy money policies, and the repeal of Glass Steagall, all of which led to a binge of creation of financial derivatives, over leveraging by banks, and over rating of the derivatives comprised of mortgages called Mortgage Backed Securities.  Too much risk was taken on because there was a widespread belief  (even  by smart  money people) that real estate prices would never go down. When the FED raised interest rates and buyers dried up, the house of cards was pushed over. Yes, there was too much borrowing and leverage that occurred from about 1998 untill 2007 when things started to unravel. That had nothing  to do with the economic growth that  occurred from 1980 to 2000. Most of that was based on the technology boom and opening up of free trade and was real.  What  was eating away at our economic situation at the time was the gradual strangling of logging, mining, manufacturing, and oil exploration accomplished by  the environmental lobby using the Endangered Species Act as their primary weapon. Followed now by catastrophic anthropogenic global warming (CAGW) as their newer weapon of choice. 

For any economy to be wealthy it must produce wealth. That  means agriculture, manufacturing, exploitation of natural resources, etc. Our wealth production from 2000-2008 consisted mostly of developing real esate, constructing financial products for sale to the world, agriculture, and technological improvements to IT and communications. Our expenditures for the GWOT were driving government outlays faster  than the growth of the economy because our economy was running in place due to being hobbled by the environmental restrictions. The Great Recession and Obama&#039;s  spending have exacerbated the problem. I maintain that it is not an insoluble problem, but if it goes on another four years it may become impossible to solve without a sovereign default.  I may be wrong, but I&#039;m not willing to give up the ship without a maximum effort to right things.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Foxmarks, I&#8217;ve read a number of books about the 2008 crisis. None that I read said much about Reagan&#8217;s policies. Many mentioned the CRA, the GSEs (Fannie and Freddie), easy money policies, and the repeal of Glass Steagall, all of which led to a binge of creation of financial derivatives, over leveraging by banks, and over rating of the derivatives comprised of mortgages called Mortgage Backed Securities.  Too much risk was taken on because there was a widespread belief  (even  by smart  money people) that real estate prices would never go down. When the FED raised interest rates and buyers dried up, the house of cards was pushed over. Yes, there was too much borrowing and leverage that occurred from about 1998 untill 2007 when things started to unravel. That had nothing  to do with the economic growth that  occurred from 1980 to 2000. Most of that was based on the technology boom and opening up of free trade and was real.  What  was eating away at our economic situation at the time was the gradual strangling of logging, mining, manufacturing, and oil exploration accomplished by  the environmental lobby using the Endangered Species Act as their primary weapon. Followed now by catastrophic anthropogenic global warming (CAGW) as their newer weapon of choice. </p>
<p>For any economy to be wealthy it must produce wealth. That  means agriculture, manufacturing, exploitation of natural resources, etc. Our wealth production from 2000-2008 consisted mostly of developing real esate, constructing financial products for sale to the world, agriculture, and technological improvements to IT and communications. Our expenditures for the GWOT were driving government outlays faster  than the growth of the economy because our economy was running in place due to being hobbled by the environmental restrictions. The Great Recession and Obama&#8217;s  spending have exacerbated the problem. I maintain that it is not an insoluble problem, but if it goes on another four years it may become impossible to solve without a sovereign default.  I may be wrong, but I&#8217;m not willing to give up the ship without a maximum effort to right things.</p>
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		By: foxmarks		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2011 00:37:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[J.J., the Progs got it wrong, too. Much of that activity was paid for with promises (debt). Reagan was in the White House when total debt began rising faster than real output. It’s the trap of measuring activity by dollar-denominated GDP. You’re looking at the speedometer, not measuring the velocity of the car.

Take a look at purchasing power (without suspicious hedonic adjustments). The price of stuff you have to buy with your fat bankroll has risen faster than the account balance.

That era’s contribution to the total problem is minor, but that when the levering began. Debt-money inflates the price of everything. It works great until people start missing payments. Then the present value of all that debt collapses and your bank faces insolvency.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>J.J., the Progs got it wrong, too. Much of that activity was paid for with promises (debt). Reagan was in the White House when total debt began rising faster than real output. It’s the trap of measuring activity by dollar-denominated GDP. You’re looking at the speedometer, not measuring the velocity of the car.</p>
<p>Take a look at purchasing power (without suspicious hedonic adjustments). The price of stuff you have to buy with your fat bankroll has risen faster than the account balance.</p>
<p>That era’s contribution to the total problem is minor, but that when the levering began. Debt-money inflates the price of everything. It works great until people start missing payments. Then the present value of all that debt collapses and your bank faces insolvency.</p>
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		By: J.J. formerly Jimmy J.		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2011 00:12:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[expat said, &quot;J.J., You sound a bit like the VDH article at NRO today. Great minds and all that.&quot;

Golly gee whillickers, expat, that&#039;s shore nice to hear. However, I&#039;m afraid that if brains were gasoline, VDH would have tanker truck full and me a mere thimbleful.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>expat said, &#8220;J.J., You sound a bit like the VDH article at NRO today. Great minds and all that.&#8221;</p>
<p>Golly gee whillickers, expat, that&#8217;s shore nice to hear. However, I&#8217;m afraid that if brains were gasoline, VDH would have tanker truck full and me a mere thimbleful.</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2011 23:29:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[foxmarks said, &quot;Reagan’s policies didn’t bring anything back. They began the phony economy.&quot; 

I have heard those exact  same words spoken by Jared Bernstein, Robert Reich, Peter Orszag, and other progressive advisors to Obama and Clinton. So, it must be true.

What they claim, though, is that Reagan&#039;s deregulation of the economy is what caused the 2008 crisis. So, it must be true. Or is  it? If it wasn&#039;t the deregulation, it was the phony increase in the economy that was caused by............what exactly? Too much economic activity?

Between the time Reagan was elected in 1980 and 2000, my retirement funds went from barely adequate to  more than adequate. But it was all phony prosperity? Well, phony or not, the  merchants are still accepting my pitiful offerings as legal tender. And that&#039;s just fine with me.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>foxmarks said, &#8220;Reagan’s policies didn’t bring anything back. They began the phony economy.&#8221; </p>
<p>I have heard those exact  same words spoken by Jared Bernstein, Robert Reich, Peter Orszag, and other progressive advisors to Obama and Clinton. So, it must be true.</p>
<p>What they claim, though, is that Reagan&#8217;s deregulation of the economy is what caused the 2008 crisis. So, it must be true. Or is  it? If it wasn&#8217;t the deregulation, it was the phony increase in the economy that was caused by&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;what exactly? Too much economic activity?</p>
<p>Between the time Reagan was elected in 1980 and 2000, my retirement funds went from barely adequate to  more than adequate. But it was all phony prosperity? Well, phony or not, the  merchants are still accepting my pitiful offerings as legal tender. And that&#8217;s just fine with me.</p>
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		By: foxmarks		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2011 22:07:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[J.J., Optimistic platitudes do not affect the math. The collapse will suck. We do have some influence on how it will suck. I would prefer to minimize the Katrina Kids response to short-term breakdowns in supply. I have great faith in the neighborly web of goodwill, and that much order can be maintained without law.

Reagan’s policies didn’t bring anything back. They began the phony economy. Thirty years of borrowed prosperity. It was the start of the leveraging that will unwind on us all.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>J.J., Optimistic platitudes do not affect the math. The collapse will suck. We do have some influence on how it will suck. I would prefer to minimize the Katrina Kids response to short-term breakdowns in supply. I have great faith in the neighborly web of goodwill, and that much order can be maintained without law.</p>
<p>Reagan’s policies didn’t bring anything back. They began the phony economy. Thirty years of borrowed prosperity. It was the start of the leveraging that will unwind on us all.</p>
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		By: expat		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2011 19:51:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[J.J.,
You sound a bit like the VDH article at NRO today. Great minds and all that.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>J.J.,<br />
You sound a bit like the VDH article at NRO today. Great minds and all that.</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2011 18:29:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[rickl@8:41pm: &quot;So, if anyone has sympathy for my scenario, out of Bachmann, Cain and Gingrich, who can best preside over urban riots and temporary shortages of food and fuel? Which of those three is most likely to respect the Constitution and not make excuses for violating it?&#039;

Urban riots and shortages of food and fuel even if temporary, will provide even the most conservative of presidents ample reasons to declare martial law. When I see people almost long for such a collapse, I question whether any real thought  has been given to the consequences.  Even if you have food, fuel, ammo, and money stored against such an eventuality, do you really want to see millions suffer? 

I remember the same feelings during the Carter administration. The end of the wordl was coming. The country was bankrupt. Hyper inflation was stalking the streets. And yet, Reagan and some common sense policies brought us back from the brink. I&#039;ll never forget how stunned I was to find that to be true. 

This country is like many storied entrepeneurs. It  is never down for the count  as long as we have the ability to create welath. And that is what sets this country apart from  most of the others. Magnificent resources, creative people, private property ownership backed by courts, and the ability to self correct through the ballot box.  Do not  sell it short. Be of good cheer and work  for  the self correction that will change things.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rickl@8:41pm: &#8220;So, if anyone has sympathy for my scenario, out of Bachmann, Cain and Gingrich, who can best preside over urban riots and temporary shortages of food and fuel? Which of those three is most likely to respect the Constitution and not make excuses for violating it?&#8217;</p>
<p>Urban riots and shortages of food and fuel even if temporary, will provide even the most conservative of presidents ample reasons to declare martial law. When I see people almost long for such a collapse, I question whether any real thought  has been given to the consequences.  Even if you have food, fuel, ammo, and money stored against such an eventuality, do you really want to see millions suffer? </p>
<p>I remember the same feelings during the Carter administration. The end of the wordl was coming. The country was bankrupt. Hyper inflation was stalking the streets. And yet, Reagan and some common sense policies brought us back from the brink. I&#8217;ll never forget how stunned I was to find that to be true. </p>
<p>This country is like many storied entrepeneurs. It  is never down for the count  as long as we have the ability to create welath. And that is what sets this country apart from  most of the others. Magnificent resources, creative people, private property ownership backed by courts, and the ability to self correct through the ballot box.  Do not  sell it short. Be of good cheer and work  for  the self correction that will change things.</p>
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		By: foxmarks		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2011 11:08:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Agreed, rickl, all the huffing about repealing Obamacare is a sideshow. It’s an economic and actuary impossibility no matter what the law says.

Bachmann has a record closer to following the Constitution. Cain has the biography of hardship and perseverance. Of the three, Gingrich is the weakest. Lectures do not calm riots. And in troubled times I think a reverent faith and humility before G-d is helps keep power restrained. Again Cain and Bachmann have the integrity Gingrich lacks.

ps-- I forgot to say that Huntsman, too, is a non-factor.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed, rickl, all the huffing about repealing Obamacare is a sideshow. It’s an economic and actuary impossibility no matter what the law says.</p>
<p>Bachmann has a record closer to following the Constitution. Cain has the biography of hardship and perseverance. Of the three, Gingrich is the weakest. Lectures do not calm riots. And in troubled times I think a reverent faith and humility before G-d is helps keep power restrained. Again Cain and Bachmann have the integrity Gingrich lacks.</p>
<p>ps&#8211; I forgot to say that Huntsman, too, is a non-factor.</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2011 00:41:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Great comments, foxmarks.  I agree that a collapse is now unavoidable.  Its timing may even be a blessing in disguise, since it means that we won&#039;t be able to afford socialized medicine.

&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;&quot;&gt;So, if anyone has sympathy for my scenario, out of Bachmann, Cain and Gingrich, who can best preside over urban riots and temporary shortages of food and fuel? Which of those three is most likely to respect the Constitution and not make excuses for violating it?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Now that&#039;s an interesting way to look at our choice, isn&#039;t it?  To answer your question, I&#039;d say probably Bachmann.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great comments, foxmarks.  I agree that a collapse is now unavoidable.  Its timing may even be a blessing in disguise, since it means that we won&#8217;t be able to afford socialized medicine.</p>
<blockquote cite=""><p>So, if anyone has sympathy for my scenario, out of Bachmann, Cain and Gingrich, who can best preside over urban riots and temporary shortages of food and fuel? Which of those three is most likely to respect the Constitution and not make excuses for violating it?</p></blockquote>
<p>Now that&#8217;s an interesting way to look at our choice, isn&#8217;t it?  To answer your question, I&#8217;d say probably Bachmann.</p>
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