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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2011/10/25/obama-not-a-good-politician/#comment-277564</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymarsakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2011 16:55:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve long researched such things as &quot;dirty tricks&quot;. It&#039;s amazing how feckless the opposition party in America was. It&#039;s like they never imagined such a thing...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve long researched such things as &#8220;dirty tricks&#8221;. It&#8217;s amazing how feckless the opposition party in America was. It&#8217;s like they never imagined such a thing&#8230;</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2011/10/25/obama-not-a-good-politician/#comment-277450</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:10:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[IGotBupkis: one more thing--as I read that excerpt about Paine and King being &quot;democrats,&quot; it doesn&#039;t seem she means they were members of the Democrat Party capital D.  Rather it&#039;s about being supporters of democracy, small d.  

Although I&#039;d say they &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Paine#Common_Sense_.281776.29&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;were actually supporters of republicanism&lt;/a&gt;, small r.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IGotBupkis: one more thing&#8211;as I read that excerpt about Paine and King being &#8220;democrats,&#8221; it doesn&#8217;t seem she means they were members of the Democrat Party capital D.  Rather it&#8217;s about being supporters of democracy, small d.  </p>
<p>Although I&#8217;d say they <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Paine#Common_Sense_.281776.29" rel="nofollow">were actually supporters of republicanism</a>, small r.</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2011/10/25/obama-not-a-good-politician/#comment-277447</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo-neocon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:01:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[IGotBupkis: a person&#039;s senior thesis isn&#039;t an infallible guide to his/her politics as a 60-something, as you well know.  In fact, not long before that senior thesis, Hillary &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.factcheck.org/2008/03/hillary-worked-for-goldwater/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;was a Goldwater Republican&lt;/a&gt;, and as recently as 1968 attended the Republican convention to work for Rockefeller&#039;s nomination.

The only constant in Clinton&#039;s early political life was that she was &lt;i&gt;very&lt;/i&gt; interested in politics (as opposed to, for example, me; I was not especially interested in politics).

That is not to say that you&#039;re not correct in your assessment of her politics or her ruthlessness.  It&#039;s just that her senior college thesis is not a guide to her present state.  My best guess about Hillary is that she is about as ruthless as most successful politicians, and about as principled, and that her politics are on the left side of liberal but not far far left.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IGotBupkis: a person&#8217;s senior thesis isn&#8217;t an infallible guide to his/her politics as a 60-something, as you well know.  In fact, not long before that senior thesis, Hillary <a href="http://www.factcheck.org/2008/03/hillary-worked-for-goldwater/" rel="nofollow">was a Goldwater Republican</a>, and as recently as 1968 attended the Republican convention to work for Rockefeller&#8217;s nomination.</p>
<p>The only constant in Clinton&#8217;s early political life was that she was <i>very</i> interested in politics (as opposed to, for example, me; I was not especially interested in politics).</p>
<p>That is not to say that you&#8217;re not correct in your assessment of her politics or her ruthlessness.  It&#8217;s just that her senior college thesis is not a guide to her present state.  My best guess about Hillary is that she is about as ruthless as most successful politicians, and about as principled, and that her politics are on the left side of liberal but not far far left.</p>
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		By: IGotBupkis, President, United Anarchists' Society		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2011/10/25/obama-not-a-good-politician/#comment-277441</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2011 23:41:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[BTW, from the above linked article:

Hillary writes:
&lt;i&gt;“peculiarly American” tradition of democrats, from Thomas Paine through Martin Luther King.&lt;/i&gt;

This is a lie. &lt;b&gt;MLK was a Republican&lt;/b&gt;. Like he&#039;d join a party that either committed and abetted atrocities against blacks (the south) or looked the other way as others of their party did so (the north).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, from the above linked article:</p>
<p>Hillary writes:<br />
<i>“peculiarly American” tradition of democrats, from Thomas Paine through Martin Luther King.</i></p>
<p>This is a lie. <b>MLK was a Republican</b>. Like he&#8217;d join a party that either committed and abetted atrocities against blacks (the south) or looked the other way as others of their party did so (the north).</p>
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		By: IGotBupkis, President, United Anarchists' Society		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2011/10/25/obama-not-a-good-politician/#comment-277439</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[IGotBupkis, President, United Anarchists' Society]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2011 23:35:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;She’s an cold, conniving b!tch, but I don’t think she’s fundamentally disloyal (any more than Bill is). &lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Dude, you need to study her background a LOT more. She was an activist of the worst Ayers sort of class, but with a smarter understanding of how the system worked and what it took to undermine the system. 

She did her senior thesis at Wellesley on Alinsky: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17388372/ns/politics-decision_08/t/reading-hillary-rodhams-hidden-thesis/#.TqnqFOylFpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;There Is Only the Fight...’: An Analysis of the Alinsky Model&lt;/a&gt;.

She drooled at everything Alinsky said. Make no doubts about her &quot;loyalty&quot;. She has none to anyone but herself, the pursuit of power, and the destruction of the American model of government.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><i>She’s an cold, conniving b!tch, but I don’t think she’s fundamentally disloyal (any more than Bill is). </i></p></blockquote>
<p>Dude, you need to study her background a LOT more. She was an activist of the worst Ayers sort of class, but with a smarter understanding of how the system worked and what it took to undermine the system. </p>
<p>She did her senior thesis at Wellesley on Alinsky: <a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17388372/ns/politics-decision_08/t/reading-hillary-rodhams-hidden-thesis/#.TqnqFOylFpg" rel="nofollow">There Is Only the Fight&#8230;’: An Analysis of the Alinsky Model</a>.</p>
<p>She drooled at everything Alinsky said. Make no doubts about her &#8220;loyalty&#8221;. She has none to anyone but herself, the pursuit of power, and the destruction of the American model of government.</p>
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		By: Perfected democrat		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2011/10/25/obama-not-a-good-politician/#comment-277241</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Perfected democrat]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2011 21:43:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Daniel in Brookline Says: 
October 26th, 2011 at 1:00 pm
gcotharn:
An intriguing suggestion (and a scary one).
In the scenario you suggest, do you imagine Hillary’s people will get away with it?&quot;

It is very plausible that LBJ got away with the assassination of JFK... There probably isn&#039;t anything that Democrats won&#039;t say or entertain now to advance their power and authority.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Daniel in Brookline Says:<br />
October 26th, 2011 at 1:00 pm<br />
gcotharn:<br />
An intriguing suggestion (and a scary one).<br />
In the scenario you suggest, do you imagine Hillary’s people will get away with it?&#8221;</p>
<p>It is very plausible that LBJ got away with the assassination of JFK&#8230; There probably isn&#8217;t anything that Democrats won&#8217;t say or entertain now to advance their power and authority.</p>
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		By: SteveH		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2011/10/25/obama-not-a-good-politician/#comment-277218</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2011 20:29:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[An EMP of unknown origin would do the same thing as the scenarios you guys are mentioning. I don&#039;t most people comprehend what a game changer that would be for the world. And in an instant.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An EMP of unknown origin would do the same thing as the scenarios you guys are mentioning. I don&#8217;t most people comprehend what a game changer that would be for the world. And in an instant.</p>
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		By: Occam's Beard		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2011/10/25/obama-not-a-good-politician/#comment-277212</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2011 20:12:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A ginned-up or exaggerated attempt does make more sense, and is certainly more likely. It doesn&#039;t stop analysis of Obama&#039;s performance in office, however. 

The way to do something like this isn&#039;t to plan it and do it oneself, but to wind up one or mentally unstable people (&quot;It&#039;s X who&#039;s controlling your mind, with his magic rays!&quot;) and point them at the target, and await developments. 

My inartfully expressed point wasn&#039;t so much a prediction or anything of the sort, but rather an assertion of the likely thinking of the hard left. Whether they&#039;d have the nerve to actually carry it out is another question.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A ginned-up or exaggerated attempt does make more sense, and is certainly more likely. It doesn&#8217;t stop analysis of Obama&#8217;s performance in office, however. </p>
<p>The way to do something like this isn&#8217;t to plan it and do it oneself, but to wind up one or mentally unstable people (&#8220;It&#8217;s X who&#8217;s controlling your mind, with his magic rays!&#8221;) and point them at the target, and await developments. </p>
<p>My inartfully expressed point wasn&#8217;t so much a prediction or anything of the sort, but rather an assertion of the likely thinking of the hard left. Whether they&#8217;d have the nerve to actually carry it out is another question.</p>
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		By: T		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2011/10/25/obama-not-a-good-politician/#comment-277209</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[T]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2011 20:00:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[gcotharn,

&quot;. . . a strategically timed, ginned up or exaggerated racially motivated assassination threat, against Obama, which can be blamed on a Tea Partier . . . .&quot;

This actually makes more sense than any other option.  Easier to plan, no need to worry about an attempt gone awry, and a rabid, foaming-at-the-mouth press ready to point fingers at the Tea Party (a la the Gabby Giffords shooting) just as the Occupy movement becomes less credible and more of a millstone around Dem necks. (&quot;See, the Tea Party isn&#039;t credible either!&quot;)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>gcotharn,</p>
<p>&#8220;. . . a strategically timed, ginned up or exaggerated racially motivated assassination threat, against Obama, which can be blamed on a Tea Partier . . . .&#8221;</p>
<p>This actually makes more sense than any other option.  Easier to plan, no need to worry about an attempt gone awry, and a rabid, foaming-at-the-mouth press ready to point fingers at the Tea Party (a la the Gabby Giffords shooting) just as the Occupy movement becomes less credible and more of a millstone around Dem necks. (&#8220;See, the Tea Party isn&#8217;t credible either!&#8221;)</p>
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		By: Sgt. Mom		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2011/10/25/obama-not-a-good-politician/#comment-277198</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sgt. Mom]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2011 18:44:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;He simply doesn’t believe that government is based on the consent of the governed. That’s not how third world politics works. In third world politics one group or coalition of groups exploits and oppresses the rest, loots them and rewards supporters...&quot;
Thanks, Trimegistus ... that&#039;s pretty much what I thought of Obama also, especially after reading somewhere (?) a comparison to Obama and the &quot;Big Man&quot; way of running things in the Third World.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;He simply doesn’t believe that government is based on the consent of the governed. That’s not how third world politics works. In third world politics one group or coalition of groups exploits and oppresses the rest, loots them and rewards supporters&#8230;&#8221;<br />
Thanks, Trimegistus &#8230; that&#8217;s pretty much what I thought of Obama also, especially after reading somewhere (?) a comparison to Obama and the &#8220;Big Man&#8221; way of running things in the Third World.</p>
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