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		By: Baklava		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2011/10/19/what-do-americans-know-about-the-republican-candidates/#comment-275933</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Baklava]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2011 21:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This may be the harshest thing I&#039;ve ever said about these crop of Republicans.

I like them all much better than Obama.

They are REALLY not so smart for participating in debates hosted by MSNBC, Anderson Cooper, etc.

They are REALLY not so smart to attack each other the way they have been doing.

Can the American public be given an opportunity to just hear each candidate for 60 minutes each?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This may be the harshest thing I&#8217;ve ever said about these crop of Republicans.</p>
<p>I like them all much better than Obama.</p>
<p>They are REALLY not so smart for participating in debates hosted by MSNBC, Anderson Cooper, etc.</p>
<p>They are REALLY not so smart to attack each other the way they have been doing.</p>
<p>Can the American public be given an opportunity to just hear each candidate for 60 minutes each?</p>
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		By: Motorcyclist		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Motorcyclist]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2011 15:55:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t like Romney as I don&#039;t believe he&#039;s a conservative. (he&#039;s barely Republican, in fact) 

But I heard that Romney worked for Goldman Sachs for years, and if true, is the whole &quot;occupy&quot; charade simply a setup for undermining the GOP candidacy, once Romney is nominated? (and again, I wouldn&#039;t vote for Romney for DOG CATCHER except as a replacement for the current communist regime) 

I just think we&#039;re being setup like last time (McCain) for a &quot;moderate&quot; RINO instead of someonoe who&#039;ll restore first principals.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t like Romney as I don&#8217;t believe he&#8217;s a conservative. (he&#8217;s barely Republican, in fact) </p>
<p>But I heard that Romney worked for Goldman Sachs for years, and if true, is the whole &#8220;occupy&#8221; charade simply a setup for undermining the GOP candidacy, once Romney is nominated? (and again, I wouldn&#8217;t vote for Romney for DOG CATCHER except as a replacement for the current communist regime) </p>
<p>I just think we&#8217;re being setup like last time (McCain) for a &#8220;moderate&#8221; RINO instead of someonoe who&#8217;ll restore first principals.</p>
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		By: Daniel		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Daniel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2011 11:27:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Wake me in February, when it&#039;s close to time for me to vote.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wake me in February, when it&#8217;s close to time for me to vote.</p>
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		By: J.J. formerly Jimmy J.		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[J.J. formerly Jimmy J.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2011 02:33:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s early in the cycle. Unfortunately for our form of governance, less than 30% of the population understand the issues and/or will take the time to learn what the candidates are proposing or stand for. When the time comes - about a month before the election - they will start looking at the candidates. By then the MSM will have tried to define the  issues and the candidates with an eye to Obama winning.  

We are interested in the Republican primaries because we understand how bad Obama is for the country and we want the best possible person to be the President. I&#039;m beginning to  believe this long series of Republican primary debates is not good. The media are doing their  best to foment a dog fight for  the nomination and pick up memes to use against the ultimate candidate.  The only candidate who is rising above this and trying to foil the media narrative so far  is Gingrich.  

Unfortunately, all the  debates are set  - 12 more - yikes! The NRC needs to strategerize with the candidates and remind them they gain nothing by attacking each  other or responding to &quot;When did you stop  beating  your wife?&quot; type questions.  Keep bringing it back to the economy and health care stressing the failure of the Obama administration to improve  things. The Clinton meme, &quot;It&#039;s the economy stupid!&quot; applies to this election too.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s early in the cycle. Unfortunately for our form of governance, less than 30% of the population understand the issues and/or will take the time to learn what the candidates are proposing or stand for. When the time comes &#8211; about a month before the election &#8211; they will start looking at the candidates. By then the MSM will have tried to define the  issues and the candidates with an eye to Obama winning.  </p>
<p>We are interested in the Republican primaries because we understand how bad Obama is for the country and we want the best possible person to be the President. I&#8217;m beginning to  believe this long series of Republican primary debates is not good. The media are doing their  best to foment a dog fight for  the nomination and pick up memes to use against the ultimate candidate.  The only candidate who is rising above this and trying to foil the media narrative so far  is Gingrich.  </p>
<p>Unfortunately, all the  debates are set  &#8211; 12 more &#8211; yikes! The NRC needs to strategerize with the candidates and remind them they gain nothing by attacking each  other or responding to &#8220;When did you stop  beating  your wife?&#8221; type questions.  Keep bringing it back to the economy and health care stressing the failure of the Obama administration to improve  things. The Clinton meme, &#8220;It&#8217;s the economy stupid!&#8221; applies to this election too.</p>
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		By: Jack		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jack]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2011 21:24:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Out of the smears the media has already engrained into the public about the top 3 candidates, &quot;not experienced&quot; for Cain is probably the least toxic, with &quot;Mormon&quot; (aka &quot;religious, with weird and stupid religion&quot;) and &quot;idiot&quot; (see how that one worked out for Palin) being very destructive.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Out of the smears the media has already engrained into the public about the top 3 candidates, &#8220;not experienced&#8221; for Cain is probably the least toxic, with &#8220;Mormon&#8221; (aka &#8220;religious, with weird and stupid religion&#8221;) and &#8220;idiot&#8221; (see how that one worked out for Palin) being very destructive.</p>
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		By: Artfldgr		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2011 20:51:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[just imagine how much better the despots of last century could have been with only the tools and knowledge we have now... 

then realize, the despots are not gone, and still exist, and DO have this stuff and more...

their victims mostly just sit around making up stuff, entertaining themselves with their cleverness, and generally not willing to not be victims (unless its easy, handed to them, they believe it, and its fun... otherwise, its better to be the victim!)...   

DO note how many below are used by pc thinking and other socialist games!!!! 

with a survey helping to work the idea of &lt;b&gt;Epistemological Weighting Hypothesis&lt;/b&gt;

if you look at each, you can define a way that the left is using it... but if i do it, it will be way too long and thats just not fun...  each is addressed by some play they make... 

MOST of them when used become ways of getting people to do what they would not do if they were not so influenced...

so the religious cults give you a flower... they work reciprocity effect... i gave you something, now donate, or listen to me...  you avoid it by not taking the free gift... 

if you know them all and your keen on them, you can easily see when someone is employing one of them. though the employ of one is not necessarily a sign of rampant despotism...

but if you notice that they are used over and over till there is a custom behind them and so on... then you are noticing politically correct thinking, party mind, etc.. 

learn the game, is the only way to stop the game.. 

just as an inoculation is something you do before the bad thing, to avoid the bad thing. 

the idea you can wait, and learn it later... is the same as deciding to get the flu shot after you have the flu several times and he season is over!!!   
 
oh... and these all come from social science invented by marx... so under the guise of studying people, we learn the different facets of controllign them by applying these things to effect the material action. 

who cares what the disposable interchangeable part thinks? do you care what the taxi driver thinks as long as you get home save without altercation? then what makes you think that feminists care what women actually think as long as they ahve power to impose and change the future by removing them... (eugenics favoring them, who they self anoint as the future itself - read about the eugencics movement and all that!!!!)


&lt;blockquote&gt;Here are academic theories about how we seek to conform with others...

    Acquiescence Effect: We answer more in the positive than negative. 

    Bystander Effect: the more bystanders, the less likely it is one will help.

    Consistency Theory: we seek the comfort of internal alignment.

    Commitment: we feel obliged to complete a public commitment.

    Communication Accommodation Theory: we morph to be like others.

    Epistemological Weighting Hypothesis: conformance depends on how closely our norms match group norms.

    Group Locomotion Hypothesis: members are motivated to achieve group goals.

    Groupthink: maintenance of group cohesion becomes all-important.

    Impression Management: we behave well when we are being watched.

    Informational Social Influence: when we don&#039;t know what to do, we copy others.

    Just-world phenomenon: Good and bad will be rewarded and punished.

    Normative Social Influence: basic group need forces us to conform.

    Pluralistic Ignorance: sometimes most people disagree with a group norm, but nobody speaks out.

    Politeness Theory: we act politely or rudely depending on whether we care.

    Reciprocity Norm: we need to return another&#039;s favor.

    Roles: we conform with shared expectations of behavior.

    Self-Fulfilling Prophecy: acting how we are treated.

    Self-Monitoring Behavior: we are affected by how others see us.

    Social Desirability Bias: we follow social rules when we are watched.

    Social Impact Theory: how we behave depends on how many, etc. are watching.

    Social Influence: How we are strongly influenced by others.

    Social Learning Theory: we learn much by watching others, thinking, then trying it out.

    Social Norms: groups have rules that must be followed. 

    Spiral of Silence Theory: we keep quiet if we are in the minority (and vice versa).

    Symbolic Convergence Theory: Seeking communities of agreement.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

many of the ideas above are gamed.. 
ie... dialoguing to consensus would have each person addressed by the leader who then tells them they are the only person who doesnt agree... 

Spiral of Silence Theory says they will then either change their mind or they will be silent and pretend to agree.. 

now..  honor, and honesty would ASSUME that the person saying that was truthful... so the response would be based in truth... 

but dialoguing says to use these things to control.. you lie and tell them that after you use the first meeting to see where they all stand... ie. you end the first meeting congratulating them, and that you will have another.. 

then you use social things above to manipualte them to do things they dont want to. 

the classical subject to study for this is sexology in school.. (look up its progressive history!!). 

how did they get girls who valued themselves so highly that they agreed with feminisms pumping and primping them up... to then become debased sex toys for the masses who can bed them spending their youth training on poles and paying for college by prostitution? 

sure dont sound like what the ad copy said... 
does it?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>just imagine how much better the despots of last century could have been with only the tools and knowledge we have now&#8230; </p>
<p>then realize, the despots are not gone, and still exist, and DO have this stuff and more&#8230;</p>
<p>their victims mostly just sit around making up stuff, entertaining themselves with their cleverness, and generally not willing to not be victims (unless its easy, handed to them, they believe it, and its fun&#8230; otherwise, its better to be the victim!)&#8230;   </p>
<p>DO note how many below are used by pc thinking and other socialist games!!!! </p>
<p>with a survey helping to work the idea of <b>Epistemological Weighting Hypothesis</b></p>
<p>if you look at each, you can define a way that the left is using it&#8230; but if i do it, it will be way too long and thats just not fun&#8230;  each is addressed by some play they make&#8230; </p>
<p>MOST of them when used become ways of getting people to do what they would not do if they were not so influenced&#8230;</p>
<p>so the religious cults give you a flower&#8230; they work reciprocity effect&#8230; i gave you something, now donate, or listen to me&#8230;  you avoid it by not taking the free gift&#8230; </p>
<p>if you know them all and your keen on them, you can easily see when someone is employing one of them. though the employ of one is not necessarily a sign of rampant despotism&#8230;</p>
<p>but if you notice that they are used over and over till there is a custom behind them and so on&#8230; then you are noticing politically correct thinking, party mind, etc.. </p>
<p>learn the game, is the only way to stop the game.. </p>
<p>just as an inoculation is something you do before the bad thing, to avoid the bad thing. </p>
<p>the idea you can wait, and learn it later&#8230; is the same as deciding to get the flu shot after you have the flu several times and he season is over!!!   </p>
<p>oh&#8230; and these all come from social science invented by marx&#8230; so under the guise of studying people, we learn the different facets of controllign them by applying these things to effect the material action. </p>
<p>who cares what the disposable interchangeable part thinks? do you care what the taxi driver thinks as long as you get home save without altercation? then what makes you think that feminists care what women actually think as long as they ahve power to impose and change the future by removing them&#8230; (eugenics favoring them, who they self anoint as the future itself &#8211; read about the eugencics movement and all that!!!!)</p>
<blockquote><p>Here are academic theories about how we seek to conform with others&#8230;</p>
<p>    Acquiescence Effect: We answer more in the positive than negative. </p>
<p>    Bystander Effect: the more bystanders, the less likely it is one will help.</p>
<p>    Consistency Theory: we seek the comfort of internal alignment.</p>
<p>    Commitment: we feel obliged to complete a public commitment.</p>
<p>    Communication Accommodation Theory: we morph to be like others.</p>
<p>    Epistemological Weighting Hypothesis: conformance depends on how closely our norms match group norms.</p>
<p>    Group Locomotion Hypothesis: members are motivated to achieve group goals.</p>
<p>    Groupthink: maintenance of group cohesion becomes all-important.</p>
<p>    Impression Management: we behave well when we are being watched.</p>
<p>    Informational Social Influence: when we don&#8217;t know what to do, we copy others.</p>
<p>    Just-world phenomenon: Good and bad will be rewarded and punished.</p>
<p>    Normative Social Influence: basic group need forces us to conform.</p>
<p>    Pluralistic Ignorance: sometimes most people disagree with a group norm, but nobody speaks out.</p>
<p>    Politeness Theory: we act politely or rudely depending on whether we care.</p>
<p>    Reciprocity Norm: we need to return another&#8217;s favor.</p>
<p>    Roles: we conform with shared expectations of behavior.</p>
<p>    Self-Fulfilling Prophecy: acting how we are treated.</p>
<p>    Self-Monitoring Behavior: we are affected by how others see us.</p>
<p>    Social Desirability Bias: we follow social rules when we are watched.</p>
<p>    Social Impact Theory: how we behave depends on how many, etc. are watching.</p>
<p>    Social Influence: How we are strongly influenced by others.</p>
<p>    Social Learning Theory: we learn much by watching others, thinking, then trying it out.</p>
<p>    Social Norms: groups have rules that must be followed. </p>
<p>    Spiral of Silence Theory: we keep quiet if we are in the minority (and vice versa).</p>
<p>    Symbolic Convergence Theory: Seeking communities of agreement.
</p></blockquote>
<p>many of the ideas above are gamed..<br />
ie&#8230; dialoguing to consensus would have each person addressed by the leader who then tells them they are the only person who doesnt agree&#8230; </p>
<p>Spiral of Silence Theory says they will then either change their mind or they will be silent and pretend to agree.. </p>
<p>now..  honor, and honesty would ASSUME that the person saying that was truthful&#8230; so the response would be based in truth&#8230; </p>
<p>but dialoguing says to use these things to control.. you lie and tell them that after you use the first meeting to see where they all stand&#8230; ie. you end the first meeting congratulating them, and that you will have another.. </p>
<p>then you use social things above to manipualte them to do things they dont want to. </p>
<p>the classical subject to study for this is sexology in school.. (look up its progressive history!!). </p>
<p>how did they get girls who valued themselves so highly that they agreed with feminisms pumping and primping them up&#8230; to then become debased sex toys for the masses who can bed them spending their youth training on poles and paying for college by prostitution? </p>
<p>sure dont sound like what the ad copy said&#8230;<br />
does it?</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2011 20:39:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The responses to Perry show that the media have already done their dirty work. The guy has been a farmer, an Air Force pilot, and a very successful governor of a major state. He&#039;s clearly not an idiot.

If Romney gets the nomination get ready for lots of in depth reports on Mormon theology. We will also learn about all the people his investment company screwed over.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The responses to Perry show that the media have already done their dirty work. The guy has been a farmer, an Air Force pilot, and a very successful governor of a major state. He&#8217;s clearly not an idiot.</p>
<p>If Romney gets the nomination get ready for lots of in depth reports on Mormon theology. We will also learn about all the people his investment company screwed over.</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2011 20:34:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[saturation of propaganda terms and their use and such has now been determined by survey... which is the point... as the points are invalid, and so the only reason to do this and measure is to see which ideas/memes (in french), are dominating... and either oppose or increase.. 

kind of like a weather report for mass mentality

it would be somethig else if all that was on the table was empirical. it would be what we assume it is... but since the info is not valid, nor the positions, its just a survey to determine which ideas resonate... 

who cares about validity... 

without us holding them to it, its a losing position... 

just as without referees, beating up the other team with sticks becomes a valid play...  (in anything from chinese checkers to ping pong - to poltics... )]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>saturation of propaganda terms and their use and such has now been determined by survey&#8230; which is the point&#8230; as the points are invalid, and so the only reason to do this and measure is to see which ideas/memes (in french), are dominating&#8230; and either oppose or increase.. </p>
<p>kind of like a weather report for mass mentality</p>
<p>it would be somethig else if all that was on the table was empirical. it would be what we assume it is&#8230; but since the info is not valid, nor the positions, its just a survey to determine which ideas resonate&#8230; </p>
<p>who cares about validity&#8230; </p>
<p>without us holding them to it, its a losing position&#8230; </p>
<p>just as without referees, beating up the other team with sticks becomes a valid play&#8230;  (in anything from chinese checkers to ping pong &#8211; to poltics&#8230; )</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[@kolnai

the highest negative descriptor of Obama would be &quot;incompetent&quot;.  neo will love that descriptor, as it plays into her ongoing meme re &quot;ignorant vs knave&quot;. If &quot;knave&quot; had not fallen out of common language usage in America, then it might overtake &quot;incompetent&quot;.  Unfortunately, absent familiarism with &quot;knave&quot; as a one word descrip, no other one word descrip quite does the job in characterizing Barack. &quot;Fraud&quot; is maybe the next best word, yet is not nearly as precise and appropriate as &quot;knave&quot;. The American education system, which produced Barack, has, also (via lack of excellence), prevented most Americans from now being familiar with the perfect one word description of Barack.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@kolnai</p>
<p>the highest negative descriptor of Obama would be &#8220;incompetent&#8221;.  neo will love that descriptor, as it plays into her ongoing meme re &#8220;ignorant vs knave&#8221;. If &#8220;knave&#8221; had not fallen out of common language usage in America, then it might overtake &#8220;incompetent&#8221;.  Unfortunately, absent familiarism with &#8220;knave&#8221; as a one word descrip, no other one word descrip quite does the job in characterizing Barack. &#8220;Fraud&#8221; is maybe the next best word, yet is not nearly as precise and appropriate as &#8220;knave&#8221;. The American education system, which produced Barack, has, also (via lack of excellence), prevented most Americans from now being familiar with the perfect one word description of Barack.</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[re, for instance, 15% of respondents reacting to Perry as &quot;idiot&quot;: this pales next to the 50%-60%ish who react to Perry as Texas, and to Romney as Mormon. Perry, for instance, has lost 15% of the electorate, yet has not yet defined himself to the larger electorate who still think of him and think &quot;Texas.&quot; The survey results tell me that neither Perry nor Romney have yet defined themselves to the larger electorate.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re, for instance, 15% of respondents reacting to Perry as &#8220;idiot&#8221;: this pales next to the 50%-60%ish who react to Perry as Texas, and to Romney as Mormon. Perry, for instance, has lost 15% of the electorate, yet has not yet defined himself to the larger electorate who still think of him and think &#8220;Texas.&#8221; The survey results tell me that neither Perry nor Romney have yet defined themselves to the larger electorate.</p>
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