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		By: texexec		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2011/09/23/last-nights-debate-yikes/#comment-270418</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Sep 2011 21:32:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Pat:

But still, Intrade has been very accurate.  Sometimes I wonder if insiders who have knowledge the rest of us don&#039;t have might be betting there.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pat:</p>
<p>But still, Intrade has been very accurate.  Sometimes I wonder if insiders who have knowledge the rest of us don&#8217;t have might be betting there.</p>
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		By: Pat Dooley		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2011/09/23/last-nights-debate-yikes/#comment-270409</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Sep 2011 21:09:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@texexec: The problem with Intrade is that it is very hard to bet on it from the US. You actually have to send them a check (and wait two weeks) or do a bank transfer. That means that the majority of traders are foreigners with no local knowledge. They won&#039;t understand the Tea Party except through lurid reports in the MSM, for example. I bought some shares on Palin being the GOP nominee. I figure I can sell some when she jumps in the race to cover my investment. She certainly isn&#039;t trading like #3 in the polls at present.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@texexec: The problem with Intrade is that it is very hard to bet on it from the US. You actually have to send them a check (and wait two weeks) or do a bank transfer. That means that the majority of traders are foreigners with no local knowledge. They won&#8217;t understand the Tea Party except through lurid reports in the MSM, for example. I bought some shares on Palin being the GOP nominee. I figure I can sell some when she jumps in the race to cover my investment. She certainly isn&#8217;t trading like #3 in the polls at present.</p>
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		By: armchair pessimist		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2011/09/23/last-nights-debate-yikes/#comment-270401</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Sep 2011 20:48:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The thing I can&#039;t understand is why our candidates keep playing the Press&#039;s game, which is to have them at each other&#039;s throats and to make them look stupid and mad.  The person we&#039;re looking for will seize the moment, tell the &quot;moderators&quot; to shut up and speak to the nation, or at least to the party.  Newt made a few promising motions but having barked he went back to his cage.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The thing I can&#8217;t understand is why our candidates keep playing the Press&#8217;s game, which is to have them at each other&#8217;s throats and to make them look stupid and mad.  The person we&#8217;re looking for will seize the moment, tell the &#8220;moderators&#8221; to shut up and speak to the nation, or at least to the party.  Newt made a few promising motions but having barked he went back to his cage.</p>
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		By: texexec		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2011/09/23/last-nights-debate-yikes/#comment-270384</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Sep 2011 19:52:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Just a comment about electability of the candidates.

I&#039;m a strong believer in www.intrade.com .  It&#039;s the only place I know of where people back their opinions with real money.  In the 2004 campaign of Bush v. Kerry, Intrade betting occurred for how each state&#039;s electoral votes would go.  To the best of my memory, Intrade called every state right...even the close swing states.

Currently, Intrade says that the probability of Romney getting nominated is 44.8% (and it&#039;s rising).  The probability of Perry getting nominated is 26.6% (and it&#039;s falling).

The Intrade probability of Obama getting reelected is 47.3% (and falling).  The probability of the USA going into recession during 2012 is 43.6% (and rising).

All that tells me that, as of now, Romney has a very good chance of being our next president.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a comment about electability of the candidates.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a strong believer in <a href="http://www.intrade.com" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.intrade.com</a> .  It&#8217;s the only place I know of where people back their opinions with real money.  In the 2004 campaign of Bush v. Kerry, Intrade betting occurred for how each state&#8217;s electoral votes would go.  To the best of my memory, Intrade called every state right&#8230;even the close swing states.</p>
<p>Currently, Intrade says that the probability of Romney getting nominated is 44.8% (and it&#8217;s rising).  The probability of Perry getting nominated is 26.6% (and it&#8217;s falling).</p>
<p>The Intrade probability of Obama getting reelected is 47.3% (and falling).  The probability of the USA going into recession during 2012 is 43.6% (and rising).</p>
<p>All that tells me that, as of now, Romney has a very good chance of being our next president.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2011/09/23/last-nights-debate-yikes/#comment-270383</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Sep 2011 19:50:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The polls are designed to make public policy, not report on it. Don&#039;t get that reversed now.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The polls are designed to make public policy, not report on it. Don&#8217;t get that reversed now.</p>
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		By: Pat Dooley		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2011/09/23/last-nights-debate-yikes/#comment-270381</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Sep 2011 19:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Palin has been through the worst personal attacks ever endured by a contemporary politician. The turning point was when the slavering media got their hands on thousands of pages of her emails and came up with nothing except that she was a hard-working, competent and ethical governor. The final smear attempt has back-fired after it was found that McGinniss himself had written an email confessing he had no proof for any of his salacious accusations.  For Palin, it is all up-side; the left has used up all its ammunition.

Any other GOP candidate, it is all down-side. He or she is going to be subjected to intense scrutiny, It is probably not going to be as bad as it was for Palin, because it was she, rather than McCain, who threatened Obama. But the sheen has come off the light-bringer, and the urge to go to any extremes to defend him from criticism and scrutiny has abated. Still, Perry would be hammered on immigration and his crony capitalist tendencies, and Romney would suffer for his religion, his flip-flopping and Romneycare. I don&#039;t think anyone else has a shot at this stage. Maybe Santorum, if Perry continues to shoot himself in the foot. 

I think the infusion of Tea Party blood will give us better choices in the future. I rather like Tim Scott. In an irony the racist left ignores, he won his primary against the son of Strom Thurmond in a white district. Allen West failed on a couple of votes, but has a chance to win me back. Some of the new governors may also emerge as natural leaders.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Palin has been through the worst personal attacks ever endured by a contemporary politician. The turning point was when the slavering media got their hands on thousands of pages of her emails and came up with nothing except that she was a hard-working, competent and ethical governor. The final smear attempt has back-fired after it was found that McGinniss himself had written an email confessing he had no proof for any of his salacious accusations.  For Palin, it is all up-side; the left has used up all its ammunition.</p>
<p>Any other GOP candidate, it is all down-side. He or she is going to be subjected to intense scrutiny, It is probably not going to be as bad as it was for Palin, because it was she, rather than McCain, who threatened Obama. But the sheen has come off the light-bringer, and the urge to go to any extremes to defend him from criticism and scrutiny has abated. Still, Perry would be hammered on immigration and his crony capitalist tendencies, and Romney would suffer for his religion, his flip-flopping and Romneycare. I don&#8217;t think anyone else has a shot at this stage. Maybe Santorum, if Perry continues to shoot himself in the foot. </p>
<p>I think the infusion of Tea Party blood will give us better choices in the future. I rather like Tim Scott. In an irony the racist left ignores, he won his primary against the son of Strom Thurmond in a white district. Allen West failed on a couple of votes, but has a chance to win me back. Some of the new governors may also emerge as natural leaders.</p>
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		By: Gary Rosen		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Sep 2011 19:20:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Most people have focused on the &quot;crony capitalism&quot; phrase from Palin&#039;s speech but the thing that sticks in my mind is when she said, &quot;We WILL have entitlement reform.  Either we do it or world financial markets will do it for us.&quot;  There have been overeblown comparisons between her and Reagan but they are alike in one crucial respect - they get the BIG things right.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most people have focused on the &#8220;crony capitalism&#8221; phrase from Palin&#8217;s speech but the thing that sticks in my mind is when she said, &#8220;We WILL have entitlement reform.  Either we do it or world financial markets will do it for us.&#8221;  There have been overeblown comparisons between her and Reagan but they are alike in one crucial respect &#8211; they get the BIG things right.</p>
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		By: Gary Rosen		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Sep 2011 19:16:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;I have already seen cracks in the shell, like Gingrich’s comments on the crony capitalism speech&quot;

Maybe he&#039;s angling for a post in the Palin administration?  I would not want Gingrich as President but would like to see him as an advisor or Cabinet member.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I have already seen cracks in the shell, like Gingrich’s comments on the crony capitalism speech&#8221;</p>
<p>Maybe he&#8217;s angling for a post in the Palin administration?  I would not want Gingrich as President but would like to see him as an advisor or Cabinet member.</p>
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		By: foxmarks		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Sep 2011 19:01:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;However, her electability is very much in question — ala the polls that say many Repubs don’t want her to run.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I keep reading about Palin’s negs and unelectability. Those same voices are not discussing her positions and prospective initiatives. All y’all (and outside these comments) are mutually reinforcing a fear with little foundation. She doesn’t have to win any lefty votes to be elected. Embrace the polarization.

All it will require is one prominent political changer to say out loud that Palin could win after all. One Republicanoid voice to acknowledge that there is something valuable and electable in her conservative and anti-fascist platform. Then the entire eggshell of fear over “electability” shatters.

I have already seen cracks in the shell, like Gingrich’s comments on the crony capitalism speech. The consummate establishment insider candidate thinks Caribou Barbie offers substance? What…? Hmm, maybe we should listen a bit more to what she has become in the past three years. Why do we hate her again?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>However, her electability is very much in question — ala the polls that say many Repubs don’t want her to run.</p></blockquote>
<p>I keep reading about Palin’s negs and unelectability. Those same voices are not discussing her positions and prospective initiatives. All y’all (and outside these comments) are mutually reinforcing a fear with little foundation. She doesn’t have to win any lefty votes to be elected. Embrace the polarization.</p>
<p>All it will require is one prominent political changer to say out loud that Palin could win after all. One Republicanoid voice to acknowledge that there is something valuable and electable in her conservative and anti-fascist platform. Then the entire eggshell of fear over “electability” shatters.</p>
<p>I have already seen cracks in the shell, like Gingrich’s comments on the crony capitalism speech. The consummate establishment insider candidate thinks Caribou Barbie offers substance? What…? Hmm, maybe we should listen a bit more to what she has become in the past three years. Why do we hate her again?</p>
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		By: Pat Dooley		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Sep 2011 18:57:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@JJ: Palin said polls are &quot;for strippers and cross country skiers&quot;. Be that as it may, she is now within 5 points of Obama and leads him among independents.
&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/09/20/2417008/poll-finds-obama-losing-ground.html&quot;&gt;The biggest gain came for Palin, the former Alaska governor who hasn&#039;t yet announced whether she&#039;ll jump into the fast-changing race for the 2012 Republican presidential nomination.
After trailing Obama by more than 20 percentage points in polls all year, the new national survey, taken Sept. 13-14, found Palin trailing the president by just 5 points, 49-44 percent. The key reason: She now leads Obama among independents, a sharp turnaround.&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@JJ: Palin said polls are &#8220;for strippers and cross country skiers&#8221;. Be that as it may, she is now within 5 points of Obama and leads him among independents.</p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/09/20/2417008/poll-finds-obama-losing-ground.html"><p>The biggest gain came for Palin, the former Alaska governor who hasn&#8217;t yet announced whether she&#8217;ll jump into the fast-changing race for the 2012 Republican presidential nomination.<br />
After trailing Obama by more than 20 percentage points in polls all year, the new national survey, taken Sept. 13-14, found Palin trailing the president by just 5 points, 49-44 percent. The key reason: She now leads Obama among independents, a sharp turnaround.</p></blockquote>
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