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		By: J.J. formerly Jimmy J.		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2011/09/19/raising-taxes-on-the-rich/#comment-269427</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[J.J. formerly Jimmy J.]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[The economic illiteracy of the progressives is just breathtaking. They cannot seem to understand that the government has no money except that which we the people agree to let them take in taxes. When the taxing exceeds a certain level it reduces the investment that creates the wealth  in this country. You cannot increase the wealth with government &quot;investments.&quot; Those are recycled dollars from which an administrative fee has been taken. Most government spending results in no new job creation except government jobs, which are seldom in areas that create wealth.  

A nation&#039;s wealth comes from such activities as farming, mining, oil and gas production, manufacturing, new technologies that make people&#039;s lives better, innovative and desired services, etc. The  federal government&#039;s necessary activities - defense, justice, and foreign affairs create no wealth - they are services that we want/need. Other activities such as regulation of education, energy, health, transportation, agriculture, banking, markets,  etc. may be desired by many but in the hands of heavy-handed bureaucrats have become a drag on wealth creation. Social programs such as support of  the Arts, Medicare, Medicaid, Welfare, and Social  Security are nothing  more than  redistribution of  the nation&#039;s wealth.  The promises made by politicians in those programs have outstripped the ability to pay. That in turn is a drag on new wealth creation because people that might be willing to take risks in new businesses are unwilling to take the risks, which is the case under Obama.

The only solution is to decrease the size and reach of government so that wealth creation  can flourish and government becomes a manageable, affordable entity that protects its citizen&#039;s liberties and right to own property. Further, it should try to be as friendly  to wealth creation as is possible without actually getting involved. (Crony capitalism.)

Raising taxes will only encourage the spendaholics in Congress to spend more not less. As to  the notion of  fairness, why is it fair to take money from  anyone and give it to someone else?  And what is a fair level of taxation? Is there  anyone here who thinks their taxes are too low? Should we look at our better paid neighbors and be envious? You cannot make a poor man prosperous by bringing the prosperous man down.   What most of us want in this nation is a level (fair) playing field, not  equality of income.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The economic illiteracy of the progressives is just breathtaking. They cannot seem to understand that the government has no money except that which we the people agree to let them take in taxes. When the taxing exceeds a certain level it reduces the investment that creates the wealth  in this country. You cannot increase the wealth with government &#8220;investments.&#8221; Those are recycled dollars from which an administrative fee has been taken. Most government spending results in no new job creation except government jobs, which are seldom in areas that create wealth.  </p>
<p>A nation&#8217;s wealth comes from such activities as farming, mining, oil and gas production, manufacturing, new technologies that make people&#8217;s lives better, innovative and desired services, etc. The  federal government&#8217;s necessary activities &#8211; defense, justice, and foreign affairs create no wealth &#8211; they are services that we want/need. Other activities such as regulation of education, energy, health, transportation, agriculture, banking, markets,  etc. may be desired by many but in the hands of heavy-handed bureaucrats have become a drag on wealth creation. Social programs such as support of  the Arts, Medicare, Medicaid, Welfare, and Social  Security are nothing  more than  redistribution of  the nation&#8217;s wealth.  The promises made by politicians in those programs have outstripped the ability to pay. That in turn is a drag on new wealth creation because people that might be willing to take risks in new businesses are unwilling to take the risks, which is the case under Obama.</p>
<p>The only solution is to decrease the size and reach of government so that wealth creation  can flourish and government becomes a manageable, affordable entity that protects its citizen&#8217;s liberties and right to own property. Further, it should try to be as friendly  to wealth creation as is possible without actually getting involved. (Crony capitalism.)</p>
<p>Raising taxes will only encourage the spendaholics in Congress to spend more not less. As to  the notion of  fairness, why is it fair to take money from  anyone and give it to someone else?  And what is a fair level of taxation? Is there  anyone here who thinks their taxes are too low? Should we look at our better paid neighbors and be envious? You cannot make a poor man prosperous by bringing the prosperous man down.   What most of us want in this nation is a level (fair) playing field, not  equality of income.</p>
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		By: Curtis		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2011/09/19/raising-taxes-on-the-rich/#comment-269385</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Sep 2011 19:27:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Obama takes taxes and turns them into poop. (Disclaimer: this message comes from my inner child.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama takes taxes and turns them into poop. (Disclaimer: this message comes from my inner child.)</p>
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		By: T		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2011/09/19/raising-taxes-on-the-rich/#comment-269369</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Sep 2011 17:37:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[roc scssrs,

Actually, the federal govt&#039;s own numbers show that if you raise tax rates you will NOT raise more revenues.  The ratio of income tax revenue to GDP has remained remarkably stable at ~18.8% since the end of WW II, regardless of tax rates.

18.8% (or thereabouts) seems to be the magic number on which the markets balance regardless of govt action.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>roc scssrs,</p>
<p>Actually, the federal govt&#8217;s own numbers show that if you raise tax rates you will NOT raise more revenues.  The ratio of income tax revenue to GDP has remained remarkably stable at ~18.8% since the end of WW II, regardless of tax rates.</p>
<p>18.8% (or thereabouts) seems to be the magic number on which the markets balance regardless of govt action.</p>
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		By: roc scssrs		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2011/09/19/raising-taxes-on-the-rich/#comment-269367</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[roc scssrs]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Sep 2011 17:17:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[My shorthand rule for the taxes vs. spending cuts debate:  if you raise tax rates, you may or may not raise more revenues (though you probably won&#039;t, most of the time).  If you cut spending- then you&#039;ve cut spending.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My shorthand rule for the taxes vs. spending cuts debate:  if you raise tax rates, you may or may not raise more revenues (though you probably won&#8217;t, most of the time).  If you cut spending- then you&#8217;ve cut spending.</p>
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		By: Libby		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2011/09/19/raising-taxes-on-the-rich/#comment-269324</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Sep 2011 14:03:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I agree that all this tax talk is avoiding the real issue - the size and scope of government. But I have to say that I am sick of all his talk about people paying their &quot;fair share.&quot; What about the 47% who don&#039;t pay any income taxes? And his comment about this being about math is insulting - we already know that even if the rich were taxed at 100% it would hardly make a dent.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that all this tax talk is avoiding the real issue &#8211; the size and scope of government. But I have to say that I am sick of all his talk about people paying their &#8220;fair share.&#8221; What about the 47% who don&#8217;t pay any income taxes? And his comment about this being about math is insulting &#8211; we already know that even if the rich were taxed at 100% it would hardly make a dent.</p>
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		By: Webutante		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2011/09/19/raising-taxes-on-the-rich/#comment-269173</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Sep 2011 02:41:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Debating whether Obama&#039;s economic tinkering of taxing the rich strategy can be effective is like debating whether throwing a thimble  of water on the World Trade Center inferno can be effective.  

So many other long-term factors conspiring to bring down our economic ship---getting off the gold standard and the rise of unpegged fiat currency, decades of pathological consumption based on undeserved credit,  the magical thinking of printing of unlimited devaluing dollars for unlimited government spending  and finally inattention to deficits and debt disorder.  All these things have been going on for decades and only getting exponentially worse.

Obama is doing this bandaid tax-the-rich deal because he&#039;s utterly clueless and hopes---no pun intended---to get re-elected. In any and all events,  our economy and buying power are  becoming blackened toast.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Debating whether Obama&#8217;s economic tinkering of taxing the rich strategy can be effective is like debating whether throwing a thimble  of water on the World Trade Center inferno can be effective.  </p>
<p>So many other long-term factors conspiring to bring down our economic ship&#8212;getting off the gold standard and the rise of unpegged fiat currency, decades of pathological consumption based on undeserved credit,  the magical thinking of printing of unlimited devaluing dollars for unlimited government spending  and finally inattention to deficits and debt disorder.  All these things have been going on for decades and only getting exponentially worse.</p>
<p>Obama is doing this bandaid tax-the-rich deal because he&#8217;s utterly clueless and hopes&#8212;no pun intended&#8212;to get re-elected. In any and all events,  our economy and buying power are  becoming blackened toast.</p>
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		By: Don Carlos		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2011/09/19/raising-taxes-on-the-rich/#comment-269168</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Don Carlos]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Sep 2011 02:23:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Anyone who expects anything non-harmful from the Supercommittee is daffy. It will take only one Repub to cave, then it&#039;s a done deal, and the GOP is notable for cavers. It is all elitism writ very, very large, and that&#039;s very, very bad for you and me.

As to tax increases, this is not a time to be tweaking with modest, symbolic increases. We do not know what&#039;s in this bill either. Betcha the taxes (excuse me, revenues) will be in the trillions over the next decade.
 
We are now at the very edge of a disaster. Obama knows this. It is what he wants. The only safe place to be is in Obamacronyland.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone who expects anything non-harmful from the Supercommittee is daffy. It will take only one Repub to cave, then it&#8217;s a done deal, and the GOP is notable for cavers. It is all elitism writ very, very large, and that&#8217;s very, very bad for you and me.</p>
<p>As to tax increases, this is not a time to be tweaking with modest, symbolic increases. We do not know what&#8217;s in this bill either. Betcha the taxes (excuse me, revenues) will be in the trillions over the next decade.</p>
<p>We are now at the very edge of a disaster. Obama knows this. It is what he wants. The only safe place to be is in Obamacronyland.</p>
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		By: William Ibbs		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2011/09/19/raising-taxes-on-the-rich/#comment-269164</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[William Ibbs]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Sep 2011 02:18:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The idea of whether the rich are paying their &quot;fair share&quot; ignores the essential point that the government is currently too big.  Rather than give the gov&#039;t more money, through higher taxes, we need to focus on ways to reduce the size of all levels of government.  For example, some people in San Francisco believe that it is the government&#039;s role to decide whether circumcision should be allowed.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The idea of whether the rich are paying their &#8220;fair share&#8221; ignores the essential point that the government is currently too big.  Rather than give the gov&#8217;t more money, through higher taxes, we need to focus on ways to reduce the size of all levels of government.  For example, some people in San Francisco believe that it is the government&#8217;s role to decide whether circumcision should be allowed.</p>
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		By: Steve		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2011/09/19/raising-taxes-on-the-rich/#comment-269149</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Sep 2011 01:29:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What chess game? All the Republicans have to do is remind people that dems failed to pass large tax increases when they held large majorities in the House and Senate. The public still voted them out. Obama thinks it is going to end differently for him?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What chess game? All the Republicans have to do is remind people that dems failed to pass large tax increases when they held large majorities in the House and Senate. The public still voted them out. Obama thinks it is going to end differently for him?</p>
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		By: TR		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2011/09/19/raising-taxes-on-the-rich/#comment-269142</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Sep 2011 01:09:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In my opinion, a lot of Republicans, R.(s) who make up nearly 50% of the voters in The U.S.A., had already used up all of their patience in dealing with Obama, when Obama let the [2011 debt ceiling problem] drag on too long, THEN he blamed the long duration of the problem on the GOP, who did not hold up the solution to the dc problem. 
 After the dumb squabble that Pres. Obama did with the dcp, he is now blaming all the nation&#039;s finance problems on the GOP and &quot;the rich&quot;. &quot;The rich&quot; being anyone who makes over $60 thousand a year, or maybe he means those &quot;rich people who earn more than minimum wage each year&quot;. 
 The Republicans and other non-Obama voters, have been [unfairly bullied + demonized] by Obama for close to three years running. 
 
 I think, that in his dumb and hideous treatment of the Republicans and their friends, his treatment of these two groups since 2008, Obama has found a way to get 50% of the United States to vote against President Obama in the 2012 Presidential election.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my opinion, a lot of Republicans, R.(s) who make up nearly 50% of the voters in The U.S.A., had already used up all of their patience in dealing with Obama, when Obama let the [2011 debt ceiling problem] drag on too long, THEN he blamed the long duration of the problem on the GOP, who did not hold up the solution to the dc problem.<br />
 After the dumb squabble that Pres. Obama did with the dcp, he is now blaming all the nation&#8217;s finance problems on the GOP and &#8220;the rich&#8221;. &#8220;The rich&#8221; being anyone who makes over $60 thousand a year, or maybe he means those &#8220;rich people who earn more than minimum wage each year&#8221;.<br />
 The Republicans and other non-Obama voters, have been [unfairly bullied + demonized] by Obama for close to three years running. </p>
<p> I think, that in his dumb and hideous treatment of the Republicans and their friends, his treatment of these two groups since 2008, Obama has found a way to get 50% of the United States to vote against President Obama in the 2012 Presidential election.</p>
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