Comments on: Fonda: Jane and Roger and Tom and Che and…

By: texexec

texexec — Tue, 06 Sep 2011 22:03:17 +0000

Every time I see a Che t-shirt, I wanna puke. Every time I see a pic of Jane Fonda, I wanna puke on HER.

By: Michael F

Michael F — Tue, 06 Sep 2011 18:11:56 +0000

I like the metaphor of the circle dance. Reminds me of the children’s song about the plague:”Ring Around the Rosie.”
In line with Curtis’ comments:
Well, when we look for reasons for living in something outside of or somebody other than ourselves, are we not certain to end our lives in some pit of despair? Revolutionaries seem to come to bad ends; for example, the rendering of a dedicated Bolshevik activist in A. Koestler’s Darkness at Noon; or Ernesto Guevara’s execution without trial by a peeved Bolivian soldier. The progressive socialists, a lesser breed, just look adolescently stupid on their way to a dead end.

By: Curtis

Curtis — Tue, 06 Sep 2011 17:26:38 +0000

Perhaps the purpose of the circle, whether it be a religious or secular circle, is to live a holy life, a life of service, a life dedicated to a higher purpose. It is not for personal fulfillment and when it becomes the anchor of one’s soul, or used to catch a high, the circle corrupts. Or perhaps the circle is corrupted by the person who ill-uses it and the resulting inner knowing (guilt) either drives the person up or down, in or out.

The circle, as the means not the end to those who want to give life purpose, responds much like eating will sustain life but kill it when the focus is on pleasure rather than service. So the circle must not become a servant of one’s unwarranted or exploded desires. The greatest need of all is acceptance (religiously this might be called salvation or atonement) which the circle cannot give or take away authentically.

In Jane Fonda’s case, her blindness to her hypocrisy, which is that she thought she was using the circle for a higher purpose but she wasn’t, led her down and trapped within. And as JJ pointed out, she wasn’t given much of a start, but then, doesn’t seem to have learned much on the way. According to one view, it is never too late to have an awakening and even if it occurred at the very last breath of life, the whole life would be redeemed and counted as worthy.

By: DNW

DNW — Tue, 06 Sep 2011 17:26:37 +0000

” … finally she hoped she could at least become one with her students, which meant she always forced them to think and say exactly what she thought and said, and together they formed a single body and a single soul, a single ring and a single dance.”

In a flight from the terror and trauma of being a self, these neurotics will warm themselves by whatever fire they can, even if they believe that it too is ultimately pointless.

By: ErisGuy

ErisGuy — Tue, 06 Sep 2011 10:46:32 +0000

A willing and eager participant in the f**k up of her life is not f*ked over. She surveyed the waters, took the dive, swam deeply, and drank more than her fill. No excuses, no passing responsibility to others, eyes wide open.

By: neo-neocon

neo-neocon — Tue, 06 Sep 2011 03:20:49 +0000

Kurt: that comment about Che was apparently made around 1971.

I don’t know whether she’s learned much in the intervening years, but don’t assume she hasn’t just by that comment.

By: Richard Aubrey

Richard Aubrey — Tue, 06 Sep 2011 03:15:46 +0000

I gather that certain expendable toilet accessories are available with her face on them, for use in military latrines.

By: Kurt

Kurt — Tue, 06 Sep 2011 03:15:43 +0000

I was chuckling about OB’s comment, and then I got to Sgt. Mom’s! Now that was a clever one!

Before I read either of those comments, I was just going to say that any hope I may have had that Jane Fonda might have learned something, anything, in the last 40+ years was erased by her idiotic comment about Che.

By: Parker

Parker — Tue, 06 Sep 2011 02:56:54 +0000

I would gladly donate one of my favorite Che t-shirts to scuzzy Jane, including one of my favorites:

http://tinyurl.com/3eyv36p

By: J.J. formerly Jimmy J.

J.J. formerly Jimmy J. — Tue, 06 Sep 2011 02:50:19 +0000

Back in the 80s I was flying a schedule that entailed flying into Santa Barbara almost daily with a two hour layover. In those days Jane and Tom were living in the hills above Santa Barbara, ironically quite near President Reagan’s ranch. One day in the newsstand at the small (really small) airport I spied Tom Hayden leafuing through a magazine. I knew who he was from all the bad old days of the 60s when his face was familiar on TV news. However, this was not the wild haired, ill-dressed, raggedy andy of his hippy days. No, he was decked out to the nines. $500 Harris Tweed sport jacket, lamb’s wool flannel trousers, an expensive shirt and tie all set off by a $50 razor cut hairdo with hair curling stylishly over his collar. Even his hands and fingernails looked perfectly manicured. Talk about a leopard changing his spots. Jane was making big bucks with her exercise videos and he was in the California assembly at the time. Apparently he had lost all interest in being an “authentic” revolutionary and was enjoying the luxuries that money can provide.

Old Henry never gave his daughter the love she longed for. She has spent her entire life trying to find it. It appears she is still searching. Such a shame. In spite of her apology to Vietnam vets, she is still despised by most of us. I no longer despise her. When I think of her, which is almost never, it is with pity. She is one miserable human.