and then turns to you and speaks in coded terms so that the children in the room dont understand..

not accepting your being treated like a child and tricked does not make one an adult… it just makes a child think they are grown up… as the wonder why they dont understand and that words dont match what happens…

it has to do with whether you believe things as they are, or believe a “explanation” that makes whatever happened ok and justified.

this is a reason why i have commented about thinking and other games, as most of our discussions are not about thinking, world views, dominant interests that inform judgments etc. we mostly talk as if everyone is equal and the same (the zeitgeist), and so, if your good, the other must be good, and rationalizations always start from the unacceptable knowing oneself to be evil.

the equality doctrine is very pernicious and not a goodness as we take in premises and re-jigger our mental concepts as if that point was a foundational principal… and so we also have to ignore other proof to sustain that principal.

usually this is made acceptable by making one who doesnt believe a traitor to their friends, family, nation, all womenkind, etc..

however at the top… they work the belief that we below know and sort of take into account, but dont really…

for instance… if we did… we would understand what it means to have a post modern mentality where you believe in nothing, so you can present any idea to anyone for any reason that is required. with no belief in anything, one has no restriction in what one can present in social engineering arguments.

given the equality doctrine, you assume the perosn is like you and so has something vested in the idea itself, when all that’s invested is how that idea affects the animals they want to do something for which if explained out right, they wont… like “we need room, can you climb into an oven to make room for us?” or “excuse me, can you put this slave collar on, we need to replace you wants, goals and efforts with what we want, and what effort we think you should make” or “we need more tax money to pay off people and if you dont work, we cant get it, so will you abandon family and work for us?”

since the ovens thing didnt work, they changed it to… look at those peolle they are 14 percent of the population, but they control 40 percent of the businesses!!!! we are equal, so they myst be cheating you… its bad times… and look how good they are on your dime… if you vote for me, i will help the good volk (Designated by me and my friends in terms of which groups can be bought by favors more), and hurt the bad volk for you..

and so… they got angry and came up with redistributed laws that would desenfranchise poor jews (Wealthy can escape if not stupid), poor christians, and others… and set the whole on a course for war genocide..

then when that didnt work, they said.. hmmm… maybe convincing them to abort their genetic futures would be better… we can sell it as a social good..

what we do is we come up wthi justificvations, and such that rely on the premises and ideas… we dont believe in anything we say, so we can easily have arguments among ourselves:

“A world where men and women would be equal is easy to visualize, for that precisely is what the Soviet Revolution promised.” — Simone de Beauvoir, The Second Sex, (New York, Random House, 1952), p.806

but when talking publicly and with common people we need to manipulate to our ends… we will just tell them what we need to tell them to get the material to do what we want. which is the purpose of social engineering, to enable the ruling class to manipulate people by exploiting their biology, psychology and such against them, while denying they have any of that at all…(so they dont get wise – if they do, we marginalize them… as we have not the power yet to imprison them, kill them, etc)

Khrushchev’s proposal for a new family law consisted of two documents: the informational note (spravka) and the draft ukaz. The draft ukaz was a proposed law and therefore written for public consumption. The spravka, titled “on measures to increase the population of the USSR,” outlined the underlying pronatalist logic and highlighted the acute problems of declining birthrate in the Soviet Union and the need to take decisive action to increase fertility. Because the spravka was prepared for topechelon Soviet leaders, it was written in much more pragmatic language than that of the draft ukaz.

when this happens, we ignore it.. we accept that a missile launch we all see… is what they say, not what it is.. (then ignore the follow up that explains the launch as a demonstration of women submariners launching a tomahawk for show)

this is why everyone is confused… they beleive the leaders believe… but they dont… they believe in ONE Thing… collusive (conspiratorial) and manipulative acquisition of power.

read george kenans long telegram
the mentality hasnt changed..
and in fact has gotten worse.

after all, when your winning, your apt to push harder

It is an “insider’s account” of the creation and evolution of modern China. Thanks to his work as a translator for Mao Zedong and Zhou Enlai, Ji was present during such historic occasions as Nixon’s historic visit to China, the negotiations seeking an end to the Korean conflict, and the chaos of the Cultural Revolution. He was an immigrant student at Harvard after WWII, but returned to China to fight for the communists during the Korean War. He nearly starved to death twice during various leaps forward and was saved from the Red Guard students by the mercy of Zhou. He spent many years in the U.S. on China’s UN delegation. Now an old man who has seen so much, he is still an unrepentant communist.

What is it about communists? In spite of all the stupid chaos and starvation brought on by Mao, Ji cannot seem to grasp how evil the system really is.
Bakan, although not an eyewitness to the evil as was Mr. Ji, seems cut from the same cloth.

I guess there are two great faiths among humans. One says that utopia is possible here on Earth. The other says the only utopia is in Heaven.

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Gee-Freakin-Willie, *THAT* phrase makes the hairs on the back of my neck stand on end….

The possibility that what corporate excess, greed and immorality do exist might sometimes be addressed better by the market itself, by consumers themselves, with the state taking only a passive role of facilitating the market to correct its own excesses; the notion that state regulation CAN actually cause more harm then good at times and that when it does the solution is NOT necessarily more tinkering and refining with the regulation, but deregulating; the view that sometimes middle America is better suited to handle the ills of society than an army of Ivy League educated career bureaucrats: all of this is completely lost on the Bakans of the world. As lofty and erudite as their prose may be at times, it really usually does come down to one emotive expression:

“State regulation, GOOD. Corporations, BAD”

Reminds me of a pair of doctrinaire US leftists who moved to China in the 50s because, after all, communism was the wave of the future, but didn’t become Chines citizens, retaining US citizenship as a convenient parachute.

My senior year in high school we had an interesting speaker at a LRY(Unitarian youth group) meeting. He had been one of the few- 30?- POWs in the Korean War who chose not to get repatriated back to the US. After several years in China, he requested a return to the US. He told us that he had always intended to return to the US; he just wanted to see what Red China was like.

Over a decade after returning from China, he had not lost the tint of his rose-colored glasses. In the midst of the Cultural Revolution, he described Mao’s approach to governing as that of a poet. Yeah, right.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76frHHpoNFs

The differences between the two groups are so marked that I have been tempted to do further research.

Homeschoolers: Unfailingly polite, attentive, prepared to work, no phones, and I have never needed to discipline anyone, ever.

CCD: At least a quarter of the class is spent trying to get everyone’s attention due to talking, cell phones, flirting, etc. Homework is disregarded as unimportant and every year I am informed about how many of these kids are on some kind of drug. ADD is rampant.

I know that this is just an off the cuff, anecdotal assessment, but the differences are so self-apparent that it is an easily made observation.

My opinion on why this occurs? First, the homeschoolers have highly motivated PARENTS involved in teaching discipline, self-control and values. Yes, VALUES that they want to pass along to their children. Second, probably 90% of them have a parent that stays home.

None of these families are wealthy and the reason that the homeschoolers don’t have cell phones probably is more due to the fact that their parents can’t afford them because they live on one salary.