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		By: Daniel in Brookline		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2011/08/12/those-of-you-who-watched-last-nights-debate/#comment-260199</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Daniel in Brookline]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Aug 2011 17:54:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I agree.  Mitt Romney&#039;s prospects in the 2012 election remind me more and more of Bob Dole -- a guy who technically had the necessary qualifications, but inspired no enthusiasm.

In re height:  I would submit that we don&#039;t know how her height will affect her chances.  Yes, Americans have traditionally favored a taller man for President... when running against another man.  

Bachmann is 5&#039;2&quot;; Hillary Clinton is 5&#039;8&quot;; Sarah Palin is 5&#039;6&quot;.  Imagine them sharing a stage; how much do you see relative height as a factor?  For that matter, President Obama is 6&#039;1&quot;, nearly a foot taller than Bachmann; now imagine them debating on a level stage, with him looking down his nose at her and her glaring steely-eyed at him, and wiping up the floor with him in debate.  How much will height figure into your feelings about that?

In more ways than one, the 2012 election will be one for the books.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree.  Mitt Romney&#8217;s prospects in the 2012 election remind me more and more of Bob Dole &#8212; a guy who technically had the necessary qualifications, but inspired no enthusiasm.</p>
<p>In re height:  I would submit that we don&#8217;t know how her height will affect her chances.  Yes, Americans have traditionally favored a taller man for President&#8230; when running against another man.  </p>
<p>Bachmann is 5&#8217;2&#8243;; Hillary Clinton is 5&#8217;8&#8243;; Sarah Palin is 5&#8217;6&#8243;.  Imagine them sharing a stage; how much do you see relative height as a factor?  For that matter, President Obama is 6&#8217;1&#8243;, nearly a foot taller than Bachmann; now imagine them debating on a level stage, with him looking down his nose at her and her glaring steely-eyed at him, and wiping up the floor with him in debate.  How much will height figure into your feelings about that?</p>
<p>In more ways than one, the 2012 election will be one for the books.</p>
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		By: kolnai		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kolnai]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Aug 2011 03:18:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[rickl - You certainly must vote your conscience, and (again here&#039;s the problem with Romney) I personally can&#039;t blame you for feeling too disgusted to cast a vote for Mittens.  

Here&#039;s what I can say in extenuation:

First, there is one advantage in having someone who is a pure opportunist as opposed to an Alinskyite such as Obama, who is an opportunist in pursuit of his long-term goals.  The advantage is that if enough pressure is put on him to go one way, he will probably go that way.  Consequently I do believe there is a decent chance that Romney will at least try to repeal Obamacare.  If he doesn&#039;t, then I&#039;m done with him.  This will depend on us - the Tea Party and Congress.  

Second, he will almost certainly be an improvement over Obama in foreign policy, if for no other reason than it&#039;s hard to conceive of being worse.  Romney won&#039;t be bowing to foreign autocrats or apologizing for America before fawning French audiences.  

The rest is a question-mark.  I can&#039;t argue passionately in favor Romney, so I&#039;ll be a church mouse during the campaign (unless I&#039;m attacking Obama, which is different), but I think there are enough areas where Romney will be an improvement over Obama that I could silently pull the lever for him.  

Also, my dislike for Obama is so intense that it makes my dislike for Romney seem like playful needling.  If I feel that I&#039;ve in any way contributed to an Obama second term, I would feel more than rotten.  

Of course, I don&#039;t think Romney can beat Obama, because his problems as detailed are so enormous that it&#039;s impossible for him to run against anyone except himself.  Obama&#039;s strategy in the event that he faces Romney is so obvious that it blueprints itself: Guide Romnay into fighting Romney, and then coast to victory by actually addressing the American people.  Let Romney stew in his own cesspool trying to rebut every stupid thing he&#039;s ever done or said - his hubris prevents him from simply admitting he made mistakes and apologizing - and then bask in the smell of roses by contrast.  

Romney has no business being the front-runner.  He has no business being the nominee, and no business being President.  But Obama has less business still being President, and in view of that I can vote for Romney.  As my nose shatters between my fingers.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rickl &#8211; You certainly must vote your conscience, and (again here&#8217;s the problem with Romney) I personally can&#8217;t blame you for feeling too disgusted to cast a vote for Mittens.  </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s what I can say in extenuation:</p>
<p>First, there is one advantage in having someone who is a pure opportunist as opposed to an Alinskyite such as Obama, who is an opportunist in pursuit of his long-term goals.  The advantage is that if enough pressure is put on him to go one way, he will probably go that way.  Consequently I do believe there is a decent chance that Romney will at least try to repeal Obamacare.  If he doesn&#8217;t, then I&#8217;m done with him.  This will depend on us &#8211; the Tea Party and Congress.  </p>
<p>Second, he will almost certainly be an improvement over Obama in foreign policy, if for no other reason than it&#8217;s hard to conceive of being worse.  Romney won&#8217;t be bowing to foreign autocrats or apologizing for America before fawning French audiences.  </p>
<p>The rest is a question-mark.  I can&#8217;t argue passionately in favor Romney, so I&#8217;ll be a church mouse during the campaign (unless I&#8217;m attacking Obama, which is different), but I think there are enough areas where Romney will be an improvement over Obama that I could silently pull the lever for him.  </p>
<p>Also, my dislike for Obama is so intense that it makes my dislike for Romney seem like playful needling.  If I feel that I&#8217;ve in any way contributed to an Obama second term, I would feel more than rotten.  </p>
<p>Of course, I don&#8217;t think Romney can beat Obama, because his problems as detailed are so enormous that it&#8217;s impossible for him to run against anyone except himself.  Obama&#8217;s strategy in the event that he faces Romney is so obvious that it blueprints itself: Guide Romnay into fighting Romney, and then coast to victory by actually addressing the American people.  Let Romney stew in his own cesspool trying to rebut every stupid thing he&#8217;s ever done or said &#8211; his hubris prevents him from simply admitting he made mistakes and apologizing &#8211; and then bask in the smell of roses by contrast.  </p>
<p>Romney has no business being the front-runner.  He has no business being the nominee, and no business being President.  But Obama has less business still being President, and in view of that I can vote for Romney.  As my nose shatters between my fingers.</p>
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		By: rickl		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2011/08/12/those-of-you-who-watched-last-nights-debate/#comment-260119</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rickl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Aug 2011 02:02:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Great comment about Romney, kolnai.  You put into words much better than I could why I flatly distrust the man.

He&#039;s a political chameleon, almost as bad as Obama.  He&#039;s a statist through and through.  There is absolutely zero chance that he would roll back the Almighty State.  You may as well expect water to flow uphill.

You had me up until your last paragraph:

&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;&quot;&gt;I’ll vote for him if he’s the nominee, or rather I’ll vote against Obama whoever his opponent is.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;m not at all sure I could choke down a vote for Romney in that scenario.  Not at all.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great comment about Romney, kolnai.  You put into words much better than I could why I flatly distrust the man.</p>
<p>He&#8217;s a political chameleon, almost as bad as Obama.  He&#8217;s a statist through and through.  There is absolutely zero chance that he would roll back the Almighty State.  You may as well expect water to flow uphill.</p>
<p>You had me up until your last paragraph:</p>
<blockquote cite=""><p>I’ll vote for him if he’s the nominee, or rather I’ll vote against Obama whoever his opponent is.</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m not at all sure I could choke down a vote for Romney in that scenario.  Not at all.</p>
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		By: Francesca		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Francesca]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Aug 2011 00:13:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[About the numbers that show the taller candidate usually wins . . . those were all men.  I wonder if this applies at all if a woman is added to the mix.  In general, a woman candidate will be shorter than the men, won&#039;t she?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About the numbers that show the taller candidate usually wins . . . those were all men.  I wonder if this applies at all if a woman is added to the mix.  In general, a woman candidate will be shorter than the men, won&#8217;t she?</p>
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		By: Scott		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Scott]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Aug 2011 23:54:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[kolnai in 2012!  Outstanding comment.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kolnai in 2012!  Outstanding comment.</p>
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		By: Amy		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2011/08/12/those-of-you-who-watched-last-nights-debate/#comment-260087</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Amy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Aug 2011 22:37:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Rick Perry wins debate he doesn&#039;t even attend.&quot; Ah&#039;m lovin&#039; me some &lt;a href=&quot;http://twitter.com/#!/rickperryfacts&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;#rickperryfacts&lt;/a&gt;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Rick Perry wins debate he doesn&#8217;t even attend.&#8221; Ah&#8217;m lovin&#8217; me some <a href="http://twitter.com/#!/rickperryfacts" rel="nofollow">#rickperryfacts</a>.</p>
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		By: Perfected democrat		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2011/08/12/those-of-you-who-watched-last-nights-debate/#comment-260085</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Perfected democrat]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Aug 2011 22:10:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Perry gave a dynamite speech for his announcement.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perry gave a dynamite speech for his announcement.</p>
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		By: fiona		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2011/08/12/those-of-you-who-watched-last-nights-debate/#comment-260070</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[fiona]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Aug 2011 19:28:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[what kolnai said!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what kolnai said!</p>
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		By: Perfected democrat		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2011/08/12/those-of-you-who-watched-last-nights-debate/#comment-260053</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Perfected democrat]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Aug 2011 18:37:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Perhaps, and after all politicians will be politicians....]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps, and after all politicians will be politicians&#8230;.</p>
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		By: Rattso		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2011/08/12/those-of-you-who-watched-last-nights-debate/#comment-260023</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rattso]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Aug 2011 14:47:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yea, it&#039;s a hit piece by Salon.commi.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yea, it&#8217;s a hit piece by Salon.commi.</p>
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