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		By: Artfldgr		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[The Luddites were a social movement of British textile artisans in the nineteenth century who protested — often by destroying mechanized looms — against the changes produced by the Industrial Revolution, which they felt were leaving them without work and changing their way of life. The movement was named after ‘General Ned Ludd’ or ‘King Ludd’, a mythical figure who, like Robin Hood, was reputed to live in Sherwood Forest

&lt;b&gt;The principal objection of the Luddites was to the introduction of new wide-framed automated looms that could be operated by cheap, relatively unskilled labour, resulting in the loss of jobs for many skilled textile workers.&lt;/b&gt;

anyone who thinks that such updated ideas are brilliant, are basically the definition of Luddite!!! 

and by their own hand too... as this idea is so old... 

&lt;blockquote&gt;Many of the ideas that were encompassed within the Luddite Movement have been studied and evaluated in modern economics literature. The concept of &quot;Skill Biased Technological Change&quot; (SBTC) posits that technology contributes to the de-skilling of routine, manual tasks.[6]

In modern usage, &quot;Luddite&quot; is a term describing those opposed to industrialisation, automation, computerisation or new technologies in general&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;b&gt;Neo-Luddism

Neo-Luddism is a personal world view opposing any modern technology[1] that displaces workers and increases unemployment. Its name is based on the historical legacy of the British Luddites which were active between 1811 and 1816.[1] Neo-Luddism includes the critical examination of the effects technology has on individuals and communities.[2]

Reform Luddism is an offshoot of Neo-Luddism and represents a personal world view skeptical of modern technology and critical of many purported benefits.&lt;/b&gt;


a personal version which tunes this to a personal thing does nothing to asuage the core beleif... 

meanwhile..  look to the stars and such.. 

how can you run out of space? 

how can you run out of material as its only remolded like clay and never used up (with the exception of fissionable material in a nuclear reactor)

the only thing stopping us is the planners.. 
they dont want us to have the high ground of the stars and a boundless border inw hich they cant control what happens inside and choose for those who live on their animal farm. 

this is why the radiation storage bs is to make containers for 5k years... a ridiculous goal that sets up the argument of not using nuclear material as we cant reach that goal

meanwhile, on the eve of commercial flight to space, we cant see you can put it in boron glass and send it off to the sun?   5000 years to store it on earth?

luddittes are luddites no matter how erudite and wrapped the ideas are... 

sad thing is that most of this all is OLD ideas... 
and old ideas in opposition to our natural beings...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Luddites were a social movement of British textile artisans in the nineteenth century who protested — often by destroying mechanized looms — against the changes produced by the Industrial Revolution, which they felt were leaving them without work and changing their way of life. The movement was named after ‘General Ned Ludd’ or ‘King Ludd’, a mythical figure who, like Robin Hood, was reputed to live in Sherwood Forest</p>
<p><b>The principal objection of the Luddites was to the introduction of new wide-framed automated looms that could be operated by cheap, relatively unskilled labour, resulting in the loss of jobs for many skilled textile workers.</b></p>
<p>anyone who thinks that such updated ideas are brilliant, are basically the definition of Luddite!!! </p>
<p>and by their own hand too&#8230; as this idea is so old&#8230; </p>
<blockquote><p>Many of the ideas that were encompassed within the Luddite Movement have been studied and evaluated in modern economics literature. The concept of &#8220;Skill Biased Technological Change&#8221; (SBTC) posits that technology contributes to the de-skilling of routine, manual tasks.[6]</p>
<p>In modern usage, &#8220;Luddite&#8221; is a term describing those opposed to industrialisation, automation, computerisation or new technologies in general</p></blockquote>
<p><b>Neo-Luddism</p>
<p>Neo-Luddism is a personal world view opposing any modern technology[1] that displaces workers and increases unemployment. Its name is based on the historical legacy of the British Luddites which were active between 1811 and 1816.[1] Neo-Luddism includes the critical examination of the effects technology has on individuals and communities.[2]</p>
<p>Reform Luddism is an offshoot of Neo-Luddism and represents a personal world view skeptical of modern technology and critical of many purported benefits.</b></p>
<p>a personal version which tunes this to a personal thing does nothing to asuage the core beleif&#8230; </p>
<p>meanwhile..  look to the stars and such.. </p>
<p>how can you run out of space? </p>
<p>how can you run out of material as its only remolded like clay and never used up (with the exception of fissionable material in a nuclear reactor)</p>
<p>the only thing stopping us is the planners..<br />
they dont want us to have the high ground of the stars and a boundless border inw hich they cant control what happens inside and choose for those who live on their animal farm. </p>
<p>this is why the radiation storage bs is to make containers for 5k years&#8230; a ridiculous goal that sets up the argument of not using nuclear material as we cant reach that goal</p>
<p>meanwhile, on the eve of commercial flight to space, we cant see you can put it in boron glass and send it off to the sun?   5000 years to store it on earth?</p>
<p>luddittes are luddites no matter how erudite and wrapped the ideas are&#8230; </p>
<p>sad thing is that most of this all is OLD ideas&#8230;<br />
and old ideas in opposition to our natural beings&#8230;</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Aug 2011 14:23:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[oh. and he is quoting the Luddites...]]></description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Aug 2011 14:22:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Richard Saunders is quoting through paraphrasing Marx... 

if the population was not dumbed down, licensed to death, and so on... they would, as always, keep disrupting economy with new things.. 

however, if they are dumbed down, unable to understand principals to assemble their own ideas. and self determination is negated by social engineering. there is minimum wage, and all that and more.. 

then no... you find that fascism prevents all other ideas from growing like weeds in favor of that structuyre that he is describing... 

ie... its not capitalism that creates that situation, its the hybird fascism, as chrony capitalism for the ignorant, that does that... as the state and companies collude with each other and cause the rules to force ideas, capital and such to be centralized in the hands of a few companies, a few people, a few this or that which are easier to control, regulate and administer. 

if the westerners were not so ignorant, they would be smart enough to see the game being played on them. 

do you left idjits really think that the communist chinese government feeds those billions by their orchestration? or do most of them all feed themselves in a pseudo free market ouside the range of the state power? 

ie... where there is no state power, they live as they have for 1000 years...  where there IS state power, everyting is in constant disruption to favor the state, who is powerful enough to pick out the nice beans from the pile once they shake it up. 

right now:

&lt;b&gt;Thanks to the neo libs, communists, anarchists, socialists, fabians, prograessives, and any other SYNONYMS you want to use... 

the uber wealthy and powerful are orders of magitude MORE powerful&lt;/b&gt;

that while they are parroting a marx thye never read, and dont know it (or do and are inserting it), they are standing on the edge of ruin and still going on and on prattling the words of a prophet from 1850... who like david koresh, the sex communes of the midwest, jim jones, and all that have a following that caught on, as the (despotic few) wealthy found it was conducive to them

how so? 

easy...  prior to the socialist constructed bubble... how much did a wealthy person have to pay for property for their projects and how much did eminent domain before kelo adjusted and so allow now for them to do literally anything as they have pocket money

let me give a fast lesson in this game i learned from a social register debutant and family.  (not that anyone will listen as i have yet to change my tune and yet to be wrong on the large flow of things... go ahead, check!)

taxes tax income... not wealth (and thats good)
but the rhetoric and game is about taxing income... the bridge to wealth, which is the income you can hold onto. 

a unconstitutional (violating equality before the law) progressive tax favors the wealthy by huge amounts while appearing to marxist mathematical dumbed down people, to do otherwise.. 

want to slam the rich? then make a 10% tax... 
whats income? increased value from what you had before?  what do you get to claim? nothing... do you tax business... no... business is only an administrative entity, and so cant be taxed any more than the state can invest or make real jobs (That arent a burden)

want to favor those wealthy super powerful men.. then side with marx, side with the games, and so, look around you.

the left facilitated the conditions necessary for the most powerful robber barrons of today... TAKE A LOOK

salaries are down... but they are borrowing at near zero interest from us shmucks and buying property at bargain basement prices... among other things too.. as people are selling off their collections, valuables, gold, etc. 

rather than make a vibrant middle class where some kid can invent and make sometrhing... 

the left has beaten up such kids in favor of american idolatry... why would they want to invent, make a job, and so on?   WHY?  heck.. why would a middle clas boy want to marry? to learn what peonage means if his flip of the coin is negative? 

right now, the ONLY ones with options are the people that all this was supposed to harm... they were not harmed one bit, the shell bounces off them and hits the regular people, which gets them to fire more shells and hit the regular people. 

and soon.,.. you have a 50 years living expectation as in russia... rampand male alcoholism.. rampant prostitution as gifts are allowed... no capital to make anything grow unless connected to the power structure... 

welcome to the world that socialism promised and lied about. 

and only fools will think that this will turn around better with more socialism... 

you cant go fast on a race track and make the end of the race if you keep draining the oil pan and gass for other things like maybe a hot dog on a stove... or something... 
 
experience means more than fantasy and belief and blind faith...  since fantasy and belief and blind faith through emotionalisms games and other games to unseat merit and empiricism and crippled people from looking up to such (which crippled them from being functionally able to do anything), have now placed us where?

note that mobs of african americans pulled people out of cars and beat them last night in wisconson. 

in philadelphia, they showed up at a bus stop and shot it full of bullets...  of course, THEY get to carry guns,m whilke the good citizens dont...  which is why no one shot them

when they start contracting beneifits... 

it will be like slovakia... 
and a few other places as the people have no self control, they were liberated from that., and so as i said long long long ago. 

they are facilitating the putting on of the collars now.. 

and there is NOTHING we can do to stop it now.. 

and all those who followed this with good intentions, are EXACTLY the same as those that followed national socialism and social justice before...  (in 1933 germany)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard Saunders is quoting through paraphrasing Marx&#8230; </p>
<p>if the population was not dumbed down, licensed to death, and so on&#8230; they would, as always, keep disrupting economy with new things.. </p>
<p>however, if they are dumbed down, unable to understand principals to assemble their own ideas. and self determination is negated by social engineering. there is minimum wage, and all that and more.. </p>
<p>then no&#8230; you find that fascism prevents all other ideas from growing like weeds in favor of that structuyre that he is describing&#8230; </p>
<p>ie&#8230; its not capitalism that creates that situation, its the hybird fascism, as chrony capitalism for the ignorant, that does that&#8230; as the state and companies collude with each other and cause the rules to force ideas, capital and such to be centralized in the hands of a few companies, a few people, a few this or that which are easier to control, regulate and administer. </p>
<p>if the westerners were not so ignorant, they would be smart enough to see the game being played on them. </p>
<p>do you left idjits really think that the communist chinese government feeds those billions by their orchestration? or do most of them all feed themselves in a pseudo free market ouside the range of the state power? </p>
<p>ie&#8230; where there is no state power, they live as they have for 1000 years&#8230;  where there IS state power, everyting is in constant disruption to favor the state, who is powerful enough to pick out the nice beans from the pile once they shake it up. </p>
<p>right now:</p>
<p><b>Thanks to the neo libs, communists, anarchists, socialists, fabians, prograessives, and any other SYNONYMS you want to use&#8230; </p>
<p>the uber wealthy and powerful are orders of magitude MORE powerful</b></p>
<p>that while they are parroting a marx thye never read, and dont know it (or do and are inserting it), they are standing on the edge of ruin and still going on and on prattling the words of a prophet from 1850&#8230; who like david koresh, the sex communes of the midwest, jim jones, and all that have a following that caught on, as the (despotic few) wealthy found it was conducive to them</p>
<p>how so? </p>
<p>easy&#8230;  prior to the socialist constructed bubble&#8230; how much did a wealthy person have to pay for property for their projects and how much did eminent domain before kelo adjusted and so allow now for them to do literally anything as they have pocket money</p>
<p>let me give a fast lesson in this game i learned from a social register debutant and family.  (not that anyone will listen as i have yet to change my tune and yet to be wrong on the large flow of things&#8230; go ahead, check!)</p>
<p>taxes tax income&#8230; not wealth (and thats good)<br />
but the rhetoric and game is about taxing income&#8230; the bridge to wealth, which is the income you can hold onto. </p>
<p>a unconstitutional (violating equality before the law) progressive tax favors the wealthy by huge amounts while appearing to marxist mathematical dumbed down people, to do otherwise.. </p>
<p>want to slam the rich? then make a 10% tax&#8230;<br />
whats income? increased value from what you had before?  what do you get to claim? nothing&#8230; do you tax business&#8230; no&#8230; business is only an administrative entity, and so cant be taxed any more than the state can invest or make real jobs (That arent a burden)</p>
<p>want to favor those wealthy super powerful men.. then side with marx, side with the games, and so, look around you.</p>
<p>the left facilitated the conditions necessary for the most powerful robber barrons of today&#8230; TAKE A LOOK</p>
<p>salaries are down&#8230; but they are borrowing at near zero interest from us shmucks and buying property at bargain basement prices&#8230; among other things too.. as people are selling off their collections, valuables, gold, etc. </p>
<p>rather than make a vibrant middle class where some kid can invent and make sometrhing&#8230; </p>
<p>the left has beaten up such kids in favor of american idolatry&#8230; why would they want to invent, make a job, and so on?   WHY?  heck.. why would a middle clas boy want to marry? to learn what peonage means if his flip of the coin is negative? </p>
<p>right now, the ONLY ones with options are the people that all this was supposed to harm&#8230; they were not harmed one bit, the shell bounces off them and hits the regular people, which gets them to fire more shells and hit the regular people. </p>
<p>and soon.,.. you have a 50 years living expectation as in russia&#8230; rampand male alcoholism.. rampant prostitution as gifts are allowed&#8230; no capital to make anything grow unless connected to the power structure&#8230; </p>
<p>welcome to the world that socialism promised and lied about. </p>
<p>and only fools will think that this will turn around better with more socialism&#8230; </p>
<p>you cant go fast on a race track and make the end of the race if you keep draining the oil pan and gass for other things like maybe a hot dog on a stove&#8230; or something&#8230; </p>
<p>experience means more than fantasy and belief and blind faith&#8230;  since fantasy and belief and blind faith through emotionalisms games and other games to unseat merit and empiricism and crippled people from looking up to such (which crippled them from being functionally able to do anything), have now placed us where?</p>
<p>note that mobs of african americans pulled people out of cars and beat them last night in wisconson. </p>
<p>in philadelphia, they showed up at a bus stop and shot it full of bullets&#8230;  of course, THEY get to carry guns,m whilke the good citizens dont&#8230;  which is why no one shot them</p>
<p>when they start contracting beneifits&#8230; </p>
<p>it will be like slovakia&#8230;<br />
and a few other places as the people have no self control, they were liberated from that., and so as i said long long long ago. </p>
<p>they are facilitating the putting on of the collars now.. </p>
<p>and there is NOTHING we can do to stop it now.. </p>
<p>and all those who followed this with good intentions, are EXACTLY the same as those that followed national socialism and social justice before&#8230;  (in 1933 germany)</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Aug 2011 23:18:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The miracle of central planning...

Great comment by richard saunders...]]></description>
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<p>Great comment by richard saunders&#8230;</p>
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		By: Andrew_M_Garland		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2011/08/03/keynes-vs-hayek-the-fight-continues/#comment-258685</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Aug 2011 20:46:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;During a 1934 dinner in the U.S., one economist carefully removed a washroom towel from a stack to dry his hands. Mr. Keynes swept the whole pile of towels on the floor and crumpled them up. He explained that his way of using towels did more to stimulate employment among restaurant workers.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://easyopinions.blogspot.com/2008/12/keynes-digger-of-holes.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Keynes, Digger of Holes&lt;/a&gt;

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All governments are Keynesian, and just as &lt;a href=&quot;http://easyopinions.blogspot.com/2008/12/keynes-digger-of-holes.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;insane as Keynes was&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;. Amazingly, the US and China (among most other governments) use the following logic:
(1) When it rains, many people use umbrellas.
(2) If we make people use umbrellas, then it will rain.

Don&#039;t believe me? Here is the exact logic of the US and China (among others):
(1) We have measured GDP (Gross Domestic Product) at different times.
(2) During times of prosperity, GDP is high. This makes general sense; people are producing more stuff.
(3) We can raise GDP (by definition) by building more stuff, by borrowing and collecting high taxes. In the US, it was the stimulus package, financing millions of houses, and ongoing bloat in the federal and state governments. In China they are building cities. &lt;i&gt;By definition&lt;/i&gt; this increases GDP.
(4) Wait a bit, prosperity is sure to come.

We know that &quot;location, location, location&quot; are the top three criteria for valuable real estate. China has now built thousands of buildings in the wrong locations. The US has built &lt;a href=&quot;http://legalinsurrection.blogspot.com/2010/07/miles-of-new-sidewalks-and-empty-stores.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;thousands of sidewalks&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt; in the wrong locations (a small part of the stimulus).

According to government accountants, this has all added to GDP. We are all waiting now for the prosperity that is sure to come. And the rain.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>During a 1934 dinner in the U.S., one economist carefully removed a washroom towel from a stack to dry his hands. Mr. Keynes swept the whole pile of towels on the floor and crumpled them up. He explained that his way of using towels did more to stimulate employment among restaurant workers.</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://easyopinions.blogspot.com/2008/12/keynes-digger-of-holes.html" rel="nofollow">Keynes, Digger of Holes</a></p>
<p>&#8211; &#8211;<br />
All governments are Keynesian, and just as <a href="http://easyopinions.blogspot.com/2008/12/keynes-digger-of-holes.html" rel="nofollow"><b>insane as Keynes was</b></a>. Amazingly, the US and China (among most other governments) use the following logic:<br />
(1) When it rains, many people use umbrellas.<br />
(2) If we make people use umbrellas, then it will rain.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t believe me? Here is the exact logic of the US and China (among others):<br />
(1) We have measured GDP (Gross Domestic Product) at different times.<br />
(2) During times of prosperity, GDP is high. This makes general sense; people are producing more stuff.<br />
(3) We can raise GDP (by definition) by building more stuff, by borrowing and collecting high taxes. In the US, it was the stimulus package, financing millions of houses, and ongoing bloat in the federal and state governments. In China they are building cities. <i>By definition</i> this increases GDP.<br />
(4) Wait a bit, prosperity is sure to come.</p>
<p>We know that &#8220;location, location, location&#8221; are the top three criteria for valuable real estate. China has now built thousands of buildings in the wrong locations. The US has built <a href="http://legalinsurrection.blogspot.com/2010/07/miles-of-new-sidewalks-and-empty-stores.html" rel="nofollow"><b>thousands of sidewalks</b></a> in the wrong locations (a small part of the stimulus).</p>
<p>According to government accountants, this has all added to GDP. We are all waiting now for the prosperity that is sure to come. And the rain.</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Aug 2011 20:11:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[OK my dear,  Hayeker lite it is for you, and Hayek fully leaded for me!

Glad you&#039;re having nice weather there....I feel guilty that it&#039;s in the high 70s out and partly cloudy which makes getting out into the mountains perfect!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK my dear,  Hayeker lite it is for you, and Hayek fully leaded for me!</p>
<p>Glad you&#8217;re having nice weather there&#8230;.I feel guilty that it&#8217;s in the high 70s out and partly cloudy which makes getting out into the mountains perfect!</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Aug 2011 19:58:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Webutante: no, I&#039;m a Hayeker, till further notice (you might call me a Hayeker-lite).

Hiking sounds like fun.  The weather has been really nice this summer here.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Webutante: no, I&#8217;m a Hayeker, till further notice (you might call me a Hayeker-lite).</p>
<p>Hiking sounds like fun.  The weather has been really nice this summer here.</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[Much as I am a follower of Hayek and would like to see the government get the hell out of the way, the fact is, there is an ineluctable problem from significantly reducing the size of government:

Ever since Sumer, fewer and fewer people have been needed to actually produce the things that we need to keep civilization going.  A handful of farmers now produce all the necessary food, a handful of factory workers produce ever-increasing amounts of goods, plus we shift production overseas.  Medicine improves infant mortality and survival from disease and accident.  

Result?  An ever-growing number of less and less useful children of the middle class who think they are entitled to a &quot;meaningful&quot; job.

What are we going to do with them, if not give them government jobs and/or law degrees?  Thus we have the entire paper-circulating bureaucratic apparatus.  

C.M. Kornbluth was right in &quot;The Marching Morons,&quot; except we don&#039;t have our surplus population making things in factories which are shipped to other factories to be demolished, we have them generating laws, regulations, policies, edicts, etc., which are sent to lawyers, accountants, compliance officers, HR departments, etc., who generate policies, handbooks, practices, etc., which lead to audits, appeals, lawsuits, etc., which in turn leads to more laws, regulations, and so forth and so on, ad infinitum, ad nauseum.

We have to figure out how to solve this problem before we can move to a Hayekian economy.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Much as I am a follower of Hayek and would like to see the government get the hell out of the way, the fact is, there is an ineluctable problem from significantly reducing the size of government:</p>
<p>Ever since Sumer, fewer and fewer people have been needed to actually produce the things that we need to keep civilization going.  A handful of farmers now produce all the necessary food, a handful of factory workers produce ever-increasing amounts of goods, plus we shift production overseas.  Medicine improves infant mortality and survival from disease and accident.  </p>
<p>Result?  An ever-growing number of less and less useful children of the middle class who think they are entitled to a &#8220;meaningful&#8221; job.</p>
<p>What are we going to do with them, if not give them government jobs and/or law degrees?  Thus we have the entire paper-circulating bureaucratic apparatus.  </p>
<p>C.M. Kornbluth was right in &#8220;The Marching Morons,&#8221; except we don&#8217;t have our surplus population making things in factories which are shipped to other factories to be demolished, we have them generating laws, regulations, policies, edicts, etc., which are sent to lawyers, accountants, compliance officers, HR departments, etc., who generate policies, handbooks, practices, etc., which lead to audits, appeals, lawsuits, etc., which in turn leads to more laws, regulations, and so forth and so on, ad infinitum, ad nauseum.</p>
<p>We have to figure out how to solve this problem before we can move to a Hayekian economy.</p>
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		By: Webutante		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2011/08/03/keynes-vs-hayek-the-fight-continues/#comment-258663</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Aug 2011 18:58:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Well, Neo, I can&#039;t disagree with your wonderful style and substance....it&#039;s why you&#039;re here running this here site today and I&#039;ve been out hiking....wearning myself out.

But  I&#039;ll still make a prediction: the slowand/ or sudden contractions of the financial markets---with a few expansionist bounces---over the next few years will make Hayekers of us all no matter what we call ourselves.

In the meantime since you&#039;re still delving in, shoud we rename you a Kayeker?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Neo, I can&#8217;t disagree with your wonderful style and substance&#8230;.it&#8217;s why you&#8217;re here running this here site today and I&#8217;ve been out hiking&#8230;.wearning myself out.</p>
<p>But  I&#8217;ll still make a prediction: the slowand/ or sudden contractions of the financial markets&#8212;with a few expansionist bounces&#8212;over the next few years will make Hayekers of us all no matter what we call ourselves.</p>
<p>In the meantime since you&#8217;re still delving in, shoud we rename you a Kayeker?</p>
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		By: Ryan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2011/08/03/keynes-vs-hayek-the-fight-continues/#comment-258662</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ryan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Aug 2011 18:32:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I was gonna ask who that nonsensical rambling idiot was...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was gonna ask who that nonsensical rambling idiot was&#8230;</p>
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