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		By: Foxfier		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2011/07/07/fast-and-furious/#comment-254606</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jul 2011 19:38:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sadly, old news.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://beerswithdemo.blogspot.com/search/label/ATF&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Beers with Demo&lt;/a&gt; has been doing a very solid bunch of legwork, including &lt;a href=&quot;http://beerswithdemo.blogspot.com/2011/07/project-gunrunnerfast-and-furious.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;calling out&lt;/a&gt; part of the legacy media for trying to ignore this.  (Must be pretty effective, because someone claiming to be the author of the piece he quoted showed up to dance. Badly.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sadly, old news.  <a href="http://beerswithdemo.blogspot.com/search/label/ATF" rel="nofollow">Beers with Demo</a> has been doing a very solid bunch of legwork, including <a href="http://beerswithdemo.blogspot.com/2011/07/project-gunrunnerfast-and-furious.html" rel="nofollow">calling out</a> part of the legacy media for trying to ignore this.  (Must be pretty effective, because someone claiming to be the author of the piece he quoted showed up to dance. Badly.)</p>
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		By: grackle		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2011/07/07/fast-and-furious/#comment-254578</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jul 2011 14:27:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Oops. I guess I’m going to have to wait some more for a trusted legal mind to write on this subject. The post was not authored by Prof. Jacobsen himself but by a contributor to his blog.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops. I guess I’m going to have to wait some more for a trusted legal mind to write on this subject. The post was not authored by Prof. Jacobsen himself but by a contributor to his blog.</p>
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		By: grackle		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2011/07/07/fast-and-furious/#comment-254573</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jul 2011 14:06:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Legal Insurrection just posted on this subject. Finally, a legal mind I trust holds forth. Read and notice that this law professor is careful to state he is not speaking to the intent of the policy:

“I’m not saying that the Obama Administration &lt;i&gt;intentionally&lt;/i&gt; magnified the precise circumstances that they were using to justify their gun control proposals.”

However, he makes it clear what his suspicions are — which are the same as ours.

Nor does he anywhere in the post state that he believes or even suspects that any law was broken. 

http://tinyurl.com/6kbvof6

But it’s early yet. All the folks who were involved in Fast and Furious have not yet been put under oath. There will be a load of depositions taken, a lot of emails to be subpoenaed and pored over. Hey, I think it would be fun if Issa’s House Committee were to pull a NYT and enlist the public to closely examine the emails, just as was done for the Palin emails. 

Speaking of which, although it’s off-topic, nothing was found in all the Palin emails that was the least damaging to Palin. Actually, the whole affair turned out to a net plus, public relations-wise, FOR Palin. Now it seems to me that &lt;i&gt;something&lt;/i&gt; embarrassing would be found in that many emails from any normal politician. But Palin ain’t a normal politician, folks — no, she’s several levels smarter than the general run of American politician. For some time now, beginning with her “death panel” bombshell, she’s been leading the MSM around by the nose and it’s a wonderful sight to behold.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Legal Insurrection just posted on this subject. Finally, a legal mind I trust holds forth. Read and notice that this law professor is careful to state he is not speaking to the intent of the policy:</p>
<p>“I’m not saying that the Obama Administration <i>intentionally</i> magnified the precise circumstances that they were using to justify their gun control proposals.”</p>
<p>However, he makes it clear what his suspicions are — which are the same as ours.</p>
<p>Nor does he anywhere in the post state that he believes or even suspects that any law was broken. </p>
<p><a href="http://tinyurl.com/6kbvof6" rel="nofollow ugc">http://tinyurl.com/6kbvof6</a></p>
<p>But it’s early yet. All the folks who were involved in Fast and Furious have not yet been put under oath. There will be a load of depositions taken, a lot of emails to be subpoenaed and pored over. Hey, I think it would be fun if Issa’s House Committee were to pull a NYT and enlist the public to closely examine the emails, just as was done for the Palin emails. </p>
<p>Speaking of which, although it’s off-topic, nothing was found in all the Palin emails that was the least damaging to Palin. Actually, the whole affair turned out to a net plus, public relations-wise, FOR Palin. Now it seems to me that <i>something</i> embarrassing would be found in that many emails from any normal politician. But Palin ain’t a normal politician, folks — no, she’s several levels smarter than the general run of American politician. For some time now, beginning with her “death panel” bombshell, she’s been leading the MSM around by the nose and it’s a wonderful sight to behold.</p>
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		By: grackle		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2011/07/07/fast-and-furious/#comment-254509</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jul 2011 00:31:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Grackle, the correct analogy in drugs would be a sting that sold to a dealer with no intention of any reconfiscation of said drugs. But simply allowed the drugs to get to the end user on the street in an effort to demonstrate the dealer was indeed crooked. I believe that would be highly illegal and immoral.&lt;/i&gt; 

The commentor ascribes a characteristic to my analogy that is not there. What I’ve written in the way of analogy boils down to this:

The ATF instructing gun shops to sell guns to cartel middlemen … 

is similar to … 

police informants being instructed to sell drugs to drug dealers … 

My analogy went no further than that. The analogy did not address what might happen to the guns/drugs later on and did not speak to the morality of the two similar situations.  

I’m waiting for some reputable conservative-minded law-oriented blogs, say, The Volokh Conspiracy or Legal Insurrection to weigh in on the subject of whether crimes were committed.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Grackle, the correct analogy in drugs would be a sting that sold to a dealer with no intention of any reconfiscation of said drugs. But simply allowed the drugs to get to the end user on the street in an effort to demonstrate the dealer was indeed crooked. I believe that would be highly illegal and immoral.</i> </p>
<p>The commentor ascribes a characteristic to my analogy that is not there. What I’ve written in the way of analogy boils down to this:</p>
<p>The ATF instructing gun shops to sell guns to cartel middlemen … </p>
<p>is similar to … </p>
<p>police informants being instructed to sell drugs to drug dealers … </p>
<p>My analogy went no further than that. The analogy did not address what might happen to the guns/drugs later on and did not speak to the morality of the two similar situations.  </p>
<p>I’m waiting for some reputable conservative-minded law-oriented blogs, say, The Volokh Conspiracy or Legal Insurrection to weigh in on the subject of whether crimes were committed.</p>
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		By: SteveH		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2011/07/07/fast-and-furious/#comment-254476</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jul 2011 20:05:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Grackle, the correct analogy in drugs would be a sting that sold to a dealer with no intention of any reconfiscation of said drugs. But simply allowed the drugs to get to the end user on the street in an effort to demonstrate the dealer was indeed crooked. I believe that would be highly illegal and immoral.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grackle, the correct analogy in drugs would be a sting that sold to a dealer with no intention of any reconfiscation of said drugs. But simply allowed the drugs to get to the end user on the street in an effort to demonstrate the dealer was indeed crooked. I believe that would be highly illegal and immoral.</p>
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		By: grackle		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2011/07/07/fast-and-furious/#comment-254475</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jul 2011 19:49:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;grackle: You have posed many straw-men counters. Narco-cops don’t sell drugs in the performance of their duties, they buy them and take down the dealers …&lt;/i&gt;

Someone needs to inform Sarasota Police Chief Peter Abbott about that rule that cops never sell drugs in the performance of their duties: 

“A confidential informant and an undercover detective waited inside the restaurant to &lt;i&gt;sell&lt;/i&gt; Dixon an ounce of cocaine and 100 Ecstasy pills for $950.” 

http://tinyurl.com/3wvx9qc

And the Chandler and Phoenix, Arizona, police departments probably also need to be told about the rule: 

“Chandler police detectives were &lt;i&gt;selling&lt;/i&gt; 500 pounds of marijuana in an operation called a &quot;reversal&quot; when they became the victims of a botched drug rip-off in south Phoenix …”

http://tinyurl.com/3qyprwv

Danged if I don’t think there may be a couple of actual bodies in those “straw-men” of mine. 
 
&lt;i&gt;You are putting way too much faith in the Dept of Joostice. No way they are going to indict their own superiors. Gun dealers, OK; Lanny Breuer, Uh-Uh.&lt;/i&gt;

Just to be on the record in regards to my faith in the Department of Justice, I do not believe there is much of a chance that the Obama Justice Department will indict anyone of significance even if crimes were committed. 

But a Special Prosecutor, should one be appointed? The odds get better, I think. And if I were testifying before a Congressional Committee or giving a deposition on this matter I would be very, very careful to stick to the truth.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>grackle: You have posed many straw-men counters. Narco-cops don’t sell drugs in the performance of their duties, they buy them and take down the dealers …</i></p>
<p>Someone needs to inform Sarasota Police Chief Peter Abbott about that rule that cops never sell drugs in the performance of their duties: </p>
<p>“A confidential informant and an undercover detective waited inside the restaurant to <i>sell</i> Dixon an ounce of cocaine and 100 Ecstasy pills for $950.” </p>
<p><a href="http://tinyurl.com/3wvx9qc" rel="nofollow ugc">http://tinyurl.com/3wvx9qc</a></p>
<p>And the Chandler and Phoenix, Arizona, police departments probably also need to be told about the rule: </p>
<p>“Chandler police detectives were <i>selling</i> 500 pounds of marijuana in an operation called a &#8220;reversal&#8221; when they became the victims of a botched drug rip-off in south Phoenix …”</p>
<p><a href="http://tinyurl.com/3qyprwv" rel="nofollow ugc">http://tinyurl.com/3qyprwv</a></p>
<p>Danged if I don’t think there may be a couple of actual bodies in those “straw-men” of mine. </p>
<p><i>You are putting way too much faith in the Dept of Joostice. No way they are going to indict their own superiors. Gun dealers, OK; Lanny Breuer, Uh-Uh.</i></p>
<p>Just to be on the record in regards to my faith in the Department of Justice, I do not believe there is much of a chance that the Obama Justice Department will indict anyone of significance even if crimes were committed. </p>
<p>But a Special Prosecutor, should one be appointed? The odds get better, I think. And if I were testifying before a Congressional Committee or giving a deposition on this matter I would be very, very careful to stick to the truth.</p>
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		By: Don Carlos		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2011/07/07/fast-and-furious/#comment-254472</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jul 2011 19:40:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I can now confirm that Rush is correct. DOJ website has an Oct 2009 press relaese with $10 mill for Project Gunrunner, and a Sept 2010 BATFE news release on the $37.5 mill. The first was co-announced by Deputy Attorney General Ogden, the 2nd with the US Attorney for AZ; both with Melson, the acting BATFE head]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can now confirm that Rush is correct. DOJ website has an Oct 2009 press relaese with $10 mill for Project Gunrunner, and a Sept 2010 BATFE news release on the $37.5 mill. The first was co-announced by Deputy Attorney General Ogden, the 2nd with the US Attorney for AZ; both with Melson, the acting BATFE head</p>
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		By: Don Carlos		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2011/07/07/fast-and-furious/#comment-254456</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jul 2011 18:28:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This just in from El Rushbo:
Fast and Furious was specifically funded as part of Stimulus Bills in &#039;09 and &#039;10, to a total of $47.5 million dollars. Forty-seven point five million dollars!
He cites a justice.gov website, p.96, which I haven&#039;t checked yet.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This just in from El Rushbo:<br />
Fast and Furious was specifically funded as part of Stimulus Bills in &#8217;09 and &#8217;10, to a total of $47.5 million dollars. Forty-seven point five million dollars!<br />
He cites a justice.gov website, p.96, which I haven&#8217;t checked yet.</p>
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		By: John		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2011/07/07/fast-and-furious/#comment-254455</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jul 2011 18:21:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s rather funny to watch the libs who elected Barry avoid any discussion of this situation.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s rather funny to watch the libs who elected Barry avoid any discussion of this situation.</p>
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		By: Don Carlos		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2011/07/07/fast-and-furious/#comment-254446</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jul 2011 17:01:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[See this:http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/doj-inspector-general-cant-be-trusted-to-investigate-gunwalker/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See this:<a href="http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/doj-inspector-general-cant-be-trusted-to-investigate-gunwalker/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/doj-inspector-general-cant-be-trusted-to-investigate-gunwalker/</a></p>
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