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		By: Walter Sobchak		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2011/06/18/the-kennedy-conspiracists-conspiracy/#comment-252495</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Walter Sobchak]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jun 2011 19:18:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Camelot and the Cultural Revolution: How the Assassination of John F. Kennedy Shattered American Liberalism&quot; by James Piereson, published by  Encounter Books in 2007.

ISBN-10: 1594031886
ISBN-13: 978-1594031885

&quot;The Day the Music Died: Camelot and the American Left.&quot; in National Review Online on June 19, 2007.

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=N2I3YmRlMjZkZTc1ZDI5Y2EzZmEwNTExMjU1M2ZjMjg=

&quot;Trapped In Camelot&quot; by Edward B. Driscoll Jr. : 23 Jul 2007

http://www.tcsdaily.com/article.aspx?id=071807C]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Camelot and the Cultural Revolution: How the Assassination of John F. Kennedy Shattered American Liberalism&#8221; by James Piereson, published by  Encounter Books in 2007.</p>
<p>ISBN-10: 1594031886<br />
ISBN-13: 978-1594031885</p>
<p>&#8220;The Day the Music Died: Camelot and the American Left.&#8221; in National Review Online on June 19, 2007.</p>
<p><a href="http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=N2I3YmRlMjZkZTc1ZDI5Y2EzZmEwNTExMjU1M2ZjMjg=" rel="nofollow ugc">http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=N2I3YmRlMjZkZTc1ZDI5Y2EzZmEwNTExMjU1M2ZjMjg=</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Trapped In Camelot&#8221; by Edward B. Driscoll Jr. : 23 Jul 2007</p>
<p><a href="http://www.tcsdaily.com/article.aspx?id=071807C" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.tcsdaily.com/article.aspx?id=071807C</a></p>
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		By: Avinash Machado		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2011/06/18/the-kennedy-conspiracists-conspiracy/#comment-252429</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Avinash Machado]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jun 2011 08:53:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What about Jack Ruby&#039;s possible connections to the Mob?

What about Oswald s connections to the CIA?

So many other inconsistencies.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about Jack Ruby&#8217;s possible connections to the Mob?</p>
<p>What about Oswald s connections to the CIA?</p>
<p>So many other inconsistencies.</p>
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		By: Lead and Gold		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2011 16:29:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;On the futility of arguing with conspiracy theorists...&lt;/strong&gt;

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>On the futility of arguing with conspiracy theorists&#8230;</strong></p>
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		By: House of Eratosthenes		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2011/06/18/the-kennedy-conspiracists-conspiracy/#comment-252288</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[House of Eratosthenes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2011 14:51:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] Neo-Neocon has been reading something interesting. [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Neo-Neocon has been reading something interesting. [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Richard Aubrey		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2011/06/18/the-kennedy-conspiracists-conspiracy/#comment-252284</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Aubrey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2011 13:22:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[bon homme richard
That&#039;s how the customs/border patrol would act now.  Back then, they might have been of some use.
Were I part of the KGB back then, and had some loose cannons running around, I&#039;d get them back home, unless they looked stable enough for a work camp, with suggestions that they could make a Big Difference wherever they were, for the cause, by wrecking stuff.  Shooting people.
The reason not to do it?  Same as the reason the KGB didn&#039;t support the Peace Movement....Scruples.  Gentlemen don&#039;t do that.  Or, perhaps it would have been redundant, in either case.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bon homme richard<br />
That&#8217;s how the customs/border patrol would act now.  Back then, they might have been of some use.<br />
Were I part of the KGB back then, and had some loose cannons running around, I&#8217;d get them back home, unless they looked stable enough for a work camp, with suggestions that they could make a Big Difference wherever they were, for the cause, by wrecking stuff.  Shooting people.<br />
The reason not to do it?  Same as the reason the KGB didn&#8217;t support the Peace Movement&#8230;.Scruples.  Gentlemen don&#8217;t do that.  Or, perhaps it would have been redundant, in either case.</p>
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		By: bon homme richard		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2011/06/18/the-kennedy-conspiracists-conspiracy/#comment-252226</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bon homme richard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2011 07:32:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What I&#039;ve aways wondered is, where did the conspiracy meet?  I figure it must have been Madison Square Garden, because you had to have the entire Presidential Detail of the Secret Service, the entire Dallas Police Force, all of the doctors and nurses on the ER staff at Parkland Hospital (in each case, somebody might be sick at the last minute and call in a substitute, and you have to cover that possibility), the pathologists at Parkland (they have to cover up that one of the wounds was made by a Secret Service handgun), Earl Warren, Arlen Specter, the US Marine Corps (remember, they faked his marksmanship record, Bupkis) and a host of others.  So Madison Square Garden it is.

Other questions:  how much money is necessary to pay off all these people to keep silent.  Also their spouses, family, friends, and random strangers they might spill the beans to?  What do you pay off Arlen Specter with?  A lousy Senate seat, when he could have been President if he found a conspiracy?
And Earl Warren, Chief Justice of the UNited States, what&#039;s his bribe?

And where do you get the additional shooters? 
1-800-Assassins?  Special Forces?  The Army Marksmanship Unit?  Marine Corps Sniper School?  The first one you ask will beat you to a bloody pulp, then drag you to the nearest FBI office.  Smuggle in Soviet Spetznaz snipers?  &quot;Purpose of visit?&quot;  &quot;Is assassination of US President.&quot;  And what is in that odd-looking case?&quot;  &quot;Is Soviet Sniper Rifle for use in assassination.&quot;  &quot;Oh, okay.  Welcome to the US.  Next!&quot;  

Oh, wait, I&#039;ve got it!  You bring over Dr. Yen Lo of the Pavlov Institute, and he calls up a bunch of mind-controlled Russian agents and says, &quot;Why don&#039;t you pass the time of day by playing a game of solitaire, Raymond?&quot;

TANSTAAFL and Vanderleun are -- you got bupkis!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I&#8217;ve aways wondered is, where did the conspiracy meet?  I figure it must have been Madison Square Garden, because you had to have the entire Presidential Detail of the Secret Service, the entire Dallas Police Force, all of the doctors and nurses on the ER staff at Parkland Hospital (in each case, somebody might be sick at the last minute and call in a substitute, and you have to cover that possibility), the pathologists at Parkland (they have to cover up that one of the wounds was made by a Secret Service handgun), Earl Warren, Arlen Specter, the US Marine Corps (remember, they faked his marksmanship record, Bupkis) and a host of others.  So Madison Square Garden it is.</p>
<p>Other questions:  how much money is necessary to pay off all these people to keep silent.  Also their spouses, family, friends, and random strangers they might spill the beans to?  What do you pay off Arlen Specter with?  A lousy Senate seat, when he could have been President if he found a conspiracy?<br />
And Earl Warren, Chief Justice of the UNited States, what&#8217;s his bribe?</p>
<p>And where do you get the additional shooters?<br />
1-800-Assassins?  Special Forces?  The Army Marksmanship Unit?  Marine Corps Sniper School?  The first one you ask will beat you to a bloody pulp, then drag you to the nearest FBI office.  Smuggle in Soviet Spetznaz snipers?  &#8220;Purpose of visit?&#8221;  &#8220;Is assassination of US President.&#8221;  And what is in that odd-looking case?&#8221;  &#8220;Is Soviet Sniper Rifle for use in assassination.&#8221;  &#8220;Oh, okay.  Welcome to the US.  Next!&#8221;  </p>
<p>Oh, wait, I&#8217;ve got it!  You bring over Dr. Yen Lo of the Pavlov Institute, and he calls up a bunch of mind-controlled Russian agents and says, &#8220;Why don&#8217;t you pass the time of day by playing a game of solitaire, Raymond?&#8221;</p>
<p>TANSTAAFL and Vanderleun are &#8212; you got bupkis!</p>
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		By: vanderleun		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2011 04:10:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[From the grassy knoll to an Iowa corn field. 

OK. That&#039;s a wrap.

Move along. Nothing more to see here.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the grassy knoll to an Iowa corn field. </p>
<p>OK. That&#8217;s a wrap.</p>
<p>Move along. Nothing more to see here.</p>
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		By: RickZ		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2011/06/18/the-kennedy-conspiracists-conspiracy/#comment-252155</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[RickZ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jun 2011 21:55:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I admit, I&#039;m a JFK assassination conspiracy theorist.  JFK was assassinated by aliens angry that he was aiming to put a man on the moon (taking away their dark side base).  Once he was killed, and the aliens saw we were still pushing ahead with the space program, they abandoned the dark side of the moon base for one hiding in plain site in an Iowa corn field owned by Kevin Costner.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I admit, I&#8217;m a JFK assassination conspiracy theorist.  JFK was assassinated by aliens angry that he was aiming to put a man on the moon (taking away their dark side base).  Once he was killed, and the aliens saw we were still pushing ahead with the space program, they abandoned the dark side of the moon base for one hiding in plain site in an Iowa corn field owned by Kevin Costner.</p>
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		By: Richard Aubrey		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2011/06/18/the-kennedy-conspiracists-conspiracy/#comment-252140</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Aubrey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jun 2011 20:33:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[neo
It follows that the KGB would not want to recruit Oswald.  Nobody would.  But, if you have him on hand, putting a bug in his ear, metaphorically speaking and not talking about those electronic thingies, would cost nobody anything.
Perhaps, instead, they told him about how bad the capitalist system was, most especially the far right, and let him think about doing something.  He&#039;d have needed little detail to be convinced.
Perhaps nothing happened.  But planting bombs which might or might not go off and cause disruption could be a good idea if there were complete deniability and zero actual resources expended.
The only positive reason not to was if the Sovs thought JFK was better than the alternative.  But if half a dozen notable figures, mostly on the far right, had been killed in the space of a couple of years, along with some important dems,all by nutcases, the resulting disorganization of the country might have provided the Sovs an advantage.  Couldn&#039;t have hurt.  Cost nothing.
This is speculation based on the claim of &quot;patsy&quot; as a tactic and what I&#039;d have done in the KGB&#039;s shoes.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>neo<br />
It follows that the KGB would not want to recruit Oswald.  Nobody would.  But, if you have him on hand, putting a bug in his ear, metaphorically speaking and not talking about those electronic thingies, would cost nobody anything.<br />
Perhaps, instead, they told him about how bad the capitalist system was, most especially the far right, and let him think about doing something.  He&#8217;d have needed little detail to be convinced.<br />
Perhaps nothing happened.  But planting bombs which might or might not go off and cause disruption could be a good idea if there were complete deniability and zero actual resources expended.<br />
The only positive reason not to was if the Sovs thought JFK was better than the alternative.  But if half a dozen notable figures, mostly on the far right, had been killed in the space of a couple of years, along with some important dems,all by nutcases, the resulting disorganization of the country might have provided the Sovs an advantage.  Couldn&#8217;t have hurt.  Cost nothing.<br />
This is speculation based on the claim of &#8220;patsy&#8221; as a tactic and what I&#8217;d have done in the KGB&#8217;s shoes.</p>
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		By: Sergey		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sergey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jun 2011 20:11:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Russian secret services never employ anybody with mental instability, in any capacity. This fact was so widely known during Communist epoch, that there was a standard trick (also widely known) to avoid being recruited into these organizations as informant without much fuss about it: play psycho. It worked every time, even if the recruiters knew perfectly well your ploy: they could not take a risk. This was a polite form of rejection of the offer.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Russian secret services never employ anybody with mental instability, in any capacity. This fact was so widely known during Communist epoch, that there was a standard trick (also widely known) to avoid being recruited into these organizations as informant without much fuss about it: play psycho. It worked every time, even if the recruiters knew perfectly well your ploy: they could not take a risk. This was a polite form of rejection of the offer.</p>
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