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	Comments on: Caroline Glick and Ed Koch on Obama&#8217;s Middle East speech	</title>
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		By: Bob from Virginia		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob from Virginia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 May 2011 17:18:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[JJ you brought up a good point that is to often overlooked.  The US is the first ideologically based nation in history.  The only other was late Soviet Union.  Too many Americans seem to think that the main purpose of the US is to provide expanded shopping opportunities.   

As ideological state the US is not tied to the petty self-interests of other states, but to its own political religion of democracy.  To betray a democracy in favor of a dictatorship undermines the internal morality of the state, the reason for the existence of the US.  All this is a fancy way of saying the US cannot betray Israel without at the same time betraying its own reason to exist. 

BTW Comrade Obama has been trying to undermine the US political religion from day one.  Just look at Honduras.  George F. Kennan predicted that the Soviet Union would fall due to the internal contradictions of its ideology.  I predict likewise for the US.  Either we will get rid of the Marxists or they will set up a dictatorship of the bureaucrat (a benign tyranny) like they have in Europe.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JJ you brought up a good point that is to often overlooked.  The US is the first ideologically based nation in history.  The only other was late Soviet Union.  Too many Americans seem to think that the main purpose of the US is to provide expanded shopping opportunities.   </p>
<p>As ideological state the US is not tied to the petty self-interests of other states, but to its own political religion of democracy.  To betray a democracy in favor of a dictatorship undermines the internal morality of the state, the reason for the existence of the US.  All this is a fancy way of saying the US cannot betray Israel without at the same time betraying its own reason to exist. </p>
<p>BTW Comrade Obama has been trying to undermine the US political religion from day one.  Just look at Honduras.  George F. Kennan predicted that the Soviet Union would fall due to the internal contradictions of its ideology.  I predict likewise for the US.  Either we will get rid of the Marxists or they will set up a dictatorship of the bureaucrat (a benign tyranny) like they have in Europe.</p>
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		By: armchair pessimist		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[armchair pessimist]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 May 2011 13:58:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Personally, I loathe the two-passporters among us.  An acquaintance told me that  by virtue of holding French-EU/American citizenships, he could run for office anywhere from A for Atlanta to Z for Zagreb.  Nice guy, mind you, but....   Stalin coined a very useful phrase for such birds, which if you scrape off the original anti-semetic intentions, is really quite concise and apt: &quot;Rootless cosmopolitans&quot;.  No, these folk nothing but bigamists.

But as Conservatives we should distinguish this from a reverential memory of where we came from, who our people were, what they considered worthy and honorable.   Apart for those brief and cruel times, when we had to ask our German and Japanese countrymen to turn their backs on their old homelands, America has always respected this.  

But for the rest of us, it&#039;s OK to  fly the Italian flag, the Irish flag, the Israeli flag, just fly ours higher.  Everybody seems to get that.  I hope that includes the Conco de Mayos and the Allah Uber Alles groups, but frankly I have my doubts.

So, there&#039;s nothing suspicious in Koch&#039;s sentiments, but  like many good Americans he is being a naive fool about the president we saddled ourselves with. And if I were the Israeli General Staff (is there one?) I&#039;d be planning the 6-Minute War.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally, I loathe the two-passporters among us.  An acquaintance told me that  by virtue of holding French-EU/American citizenships, he could run for office anywhere from A for Atlanta to Z for Zagreb.  Nice guy, mind you, but&#8230;.   Stalin coined a very useful phrase for such birds, which if you scrape off the original anti-semetic intentions, is really quite concise and apt: &#8220;Rootless cosmopolitans&#8221;.  No, these folk nothing but bigamists.</p>
<p>But as Conservatives we should distinguish this from a reverential memory of where we came from, who our people were, what they considered worthy and honorable.   Apart for those brief and cruel times, when we had to ask our German and Japanese countrymen to turn their backs on their old homelands, America has always respected this.  </p>
<p>But for the rest of us, it&#8217;s OK to  fly the Italian flag, the Irish flag, the Israeli flag, just fly ours higher.  Everybody seems to get that.  I hope that includes the Conco de Mayos and the Allah Uber Alles groups, but frankly I have my doubts.</p>
<p>So, there&#8217;s nothing suspicious in Koch&#8217;s sentiments, but  like many good Americans he is being a naive fool about the president we saddled ourselves with. And if I were the Israeli General Staff (is there one?) I&#8217;d be planning the 6-Minute War.</p>
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		By: rickl		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rickl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 May 2011 05:16:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m not Jewish, and my primary loyalty is to the United States.  

That said, I regard Israel not only as an important ally but a vital stronghold of Western Civilization in the Middle East.  If the U.S. government ever turns against Israel, I will have a serious problem with that.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not Jewish, and my primary loyalty is to the United States.  </p>
<p>That said, I regard Israel not only as an important ally but a vital stronghold of Western Civilization in the Middle East.  If the U.S. government ever turns against Israel, I will have a serious problem with that.</p>
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		By: J.J. formerly Jimmy J.		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[J.J. formerly Jimmy J.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 May 2011 22:40:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[America is not the people who are elected officials serving in the government. America is a set of ideas and principals, which were arrived at by the Founders. It is to those ideas and principals that we owe our allegiance and not to  any particular group of people who might be serving. We humans are all quite subject to popular delusions and fashionable ideas. The left is, in general, still fascinated by  the ideas of Marxism and equality of outcome being  possible. Also by the delusion that if they abandon Israel peace will break out between the U.S. and the world of Islam.

As for Israel and America.  I see it as the relationship between two families that have much in common and even some relatives by marriage. Israel is a family that lives in a tough neighborhood surrounded by a thugs that not  only hate them, but hate us as well. We should do all we can to support our friend Israel because they are actually a proxy for us and freedom loving peoples everywhere. Some believe that if Israel ceases to exist, the trouble with Islam will go away. Most of us on the right disagree. Just because we don&#039;t live  in the immediate neighborhood of the thugs does not mean that we aren&#039;t next if Israel disappears. 

America and Israel can disagree but neither of us should take our eyes off the main threat. Too many lefties have done just that.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>America is not the people who are elected officials serving in the government. America is a set of ideas and principals, which were arrived at by the Founders. It is to those ideas and principals that we owe our allegiance and not to  any particular group of people who might be serving. We humans are all quite subject to popular delusions and fashionable ideas. The left is, in general, still fascinated by  the ideas of Marxism and equality of outcome being  possible. Also by the delusion that if they abandon Israel peace will break out between the U.S. and the world of Islam.</p>
<p>As for Israel and America.  I see it as the relationship between two families that have much in common and even some relatives by marriage. Israel is a family that lives in a tough neighborhood surrounded by a thugs that not  only hate them, but hate us as well. We should do all we can to support our friend Israel because they are actually a proxy for us and freedom loving peoples everywhere. Some believe that if Israel ceases to exist, the trouble with Islam will go away. Most of us on the right disagree. Just because we don&#8217;t live  in the immediate neighborhood of the thugs does not mean that we aren&#8217;t next if Israel disappears. </p>
<p>America and Israel can disagree but neither of us should take our eyes off the main threat. Too many lefties have done just that.</p>
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		By: Parker		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Parker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 May 2011 21:51:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[IMO Occam makes an important point.  If you are an American citizen your first loyalty (to a nation state) should be to the (real) security interests, the civil integrity, and economic health of the USA.  If your first loyalty is to the security and wellbeing of a nation/society other than the USA, you are living in the wrong place. 

However, this question of loyalty to a nation state is, IMO, not straightforward.  I have a longstanding, deep distrust of the people who are in control of the federal government.  What they tell us is in the best interests of our economy or our security has not matched up to my POV on occasions too numerous to list.  I am loyal to my own instincts before all else.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IMO Occam makes an important point.  If you are an American citizen your first loyalty (to a nation state) should be to the (real) security interests, the civil integrity, and economic health of the USA.  If your first loyalty is to the security and wellbeing of a nation/society other than the USA, you are living in the wrong place. </p>
<p>However, this question of loyalty to a nation state is, IMO, not straightforward.  I have a longstanding, deep distrust of the people who are in control of the federal government.  What they tell us is in the best interests of our economy or our security has not matched up to my POV on occasions too numerous to list.  I am loyal to my own instincts before all else.</p>
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		By: SteveH		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SteveH]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 May 2011 20:40:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It should be a terrible thing to be such a slave to fashionable thought that you&#039;ll cut your own throat to adhere to it. But for liberals, it seems to abandon fashionable thought and the in crowd acceptance is the more terrible thing to do.

 We humans can&#039;t say never again about any atrocity. Sooner or later people are going to lose all sense of reason and do a repeat.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It should be a terrible thing to be such a slave to fashionable thought that you&#8217;ll cut your own throat to adhere to it. But for liberals, it seems to abandon fashionable thought and the in crowd acceptance is the more terrible thing to do.</p>
<p> We humans can&#8217;t say never again about any atrocity. Sooner or later people are going to lose all sense of reason and do a repeat.</p>
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		By: I R A Darth Aggie		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[I R A Darth Aggie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 May 2011 18:43:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;I supported President Obama, believing he would be good on foreign policy, particularly with respect to the support of Israel. It turned out badly.&lt;/i&gt;

Mayor Koch, I have two words for you: Samantha Powers. And you&#039;re surprised it turned out badly? I&#039;m suprised you&#039;re suprised.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I supported President Obama, believing he would be good on foreign policy, particularly with respect to the support of Israel. It turned out badly.</i></p>
<p>Mayor Koch, I have two words for you: Samantha Powers. And you&#8217;re surprised it turned out badly? I&#8217;m suprised you&#8217;re suprised.</p>
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		By: Steve D		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve D]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 May 2011 18:35:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[And another Rube self identifies..]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And another Rube self identifies..</p>
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		By: Richard Aubrey		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Aubrey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 May 2011 13:37:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Given various factors such as cultural similarities and political systems, and common enemies, plus a history of cooperation, it would be strange to find Israel and America on opposite sides of an issue of importance to their security.  Not impossible, but strange.  If nothing else, Israel acts as a redan (redoubt?) amongst many of our potential enemies.
I don&#039;t include in this various overly-detailed and dishonest uses of double standards where US lefties presume to tell Israel what their zoning standards should be or that only suicide proves their willingness to have peace.
Wikileaks was supposed to humiliate US conservatives and especially Bush, but the docs dumped seem to have been insufficiently vetted.  Among other things, we discover that the Gulf states are terrified of Iran and only make noise about Israel to quiet their teeming masses.  But Obama is ignorant of this, as of much else.  Or perhaps he sympathizes with the teeming masses.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Given various factors such as cultural similarities and political systems, and common enemies, plus a history of cooperation, it would be strange to find Israel and America on opposite sides of an issue of importance to their security.  Not impossible, but strange.  If nothing else, Israel acts as a redan (redoubt?) amongst many of our potential enemies.<br />
I don&#8217;t include in this various overly-detailed and dishonest uses of double standards where US lefties presume to tell Israel what their zoning standards should be or that only suicide proves their willingness to have peace.<br />
Wikileaks was supposed to humiliate US conservatives and especially Bush, but the docs dumped seem to have been insufficiently vetted.  Among other things, we discover that the Gulf states are terrified of Iran and only make noise about Israel to quiet their teeming masses.  But Obama is ignorant of this, as of much else.  Or perhaps he sympathizes with the teeming masses.</p>
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		By: rickl		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rickl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 May 2011 08:28:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Glick&#039;s article was excellent.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glick&#8217;s article was excellent.</p>
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