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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Much of the Communist playbook is outdated indeed. Some are still relevant. What&#039;s most important for people to understand is that the Left aren&#039;t simply misguided, erroneous, people with different politics.

If they can get their head screwed on right concerning that matter alone, then they will be ready to comprehend the truth of what needs doing.

Many people never understood why I so despised and hated the Left. While it was natural for Leftists to hate conservatives because we were X, Y, and Z, it was, for the supermajority of conservatives, unnatural to actually hate the Left. Disagree with them, yes. Find their politics unwise and foolish, yes. But not hate. The true depth of emotion was lacking. You could only find it amongst conservatives in a small segment, notably those who either defected from the Left or were refugees from Communism. They were the ones who knew the true face of evil and they had the strength of their convictions though muted in exercise. The majority of conservatives only had their belief that Democrats were simply another party, slightly worse than conservatives. The Independents thought that both were as bad: a pox on both their houses.

So they never quite understood where I was coming from. And I never wasted my time seeking to educate them. 

For the Left has already educated them far better than I ever could. And what have they learned? They have learned to suffer. And soon they will learn the true reason why the Left ought to be hated. And not just disagreed with. They have not suffered enough to understand the true face of the Left. Not yet. Not even with all that has happened. They yet still do not comprehend the depth of Leftist malignancy, malevolence, and chaotic nihilism. The Leftist alliance is composed of many ideological factions, many contradictory, yet they are bound by an iron purpose and determination. To seek your enslavement. Not destruction. That is only a means to an end. The bankruptcy leading up to the foreclosure, rather than bankruptcy being the goal in itself. They make you broke in order to enslave.

Obama could never do as he has done if the entire Left weren’t behind him. You know this and see it. Yet many people continue to believe that if they only get rid of Obama, all their issues will be resolved. That is foolishness. That is the short sighted view of those interested in winning and fighting over elections. Meaningless conflicts when considering the long term strategic plan of the Left.

In this age of information, we still have ignorance galore. Too many people are misled. Too many know too much of the wrong things while claiming them to be right. If the internet has spread knowledge, it has also spread ignorance amazingly enough. I never knew ignorance could be spread, before I witnessed the Left’s cultists in action.

What the Obamanation did with the budget, a strategic victory encompassing years in the making, creating an advantage out of the weakness of losing the Senate to the GOP, still tells me that we have Yet to see the worst. The Left still has something even better in store for all of us. Look forward to it. If I know them, and I do, it will be a sight to see as it eradicates the lives of millions.

How long will humanity have to learn to suffer before humans gain wisdom? It took humanity 20,000 years to figure out it was a good idea to try out an America. How long will it be before they get their next bright idea.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Much of the Communist playbook is outdated indeed. Some are still relevant. What&#8217;s most important for people to understand is that the Left aren&#8217;t simply misguided, erroneous, people with different politics.</p>
<p>If they can get their head screwed on right concerning that matter alone, then they will be ready to comprehend the truth of what needs doing.</p>
<p>Many people never understood why I so despised and hated the Left. While it was natural for Leftists to hate conservatives because we were X, Y, and Z, it was, for the supermajority of conservatives, unnatural to actually hate the Left. Disagree with them, yes. Find their politics unwise and foolish, yes. But not hate. The true depth of emotion was lacking. You could only find it amongst conservatives in a small segment, notably those who either defected from the Left or were refugees from Communism. They were the ones who knew the true face of evil and they had the strength of their convictions though muted in exercise. The majority of conservatives only had their belief that Democrats were simply another party, slightly worse than conservatives. The Independents thought that both were as bad: a pox on both their houses.</p>
<p>So they never quite understood where I was coming from. And I never wasted my time seeking to educate them. </p>
<p>For the Left has already educated them far better than I ever could. And what have they learned? They have learned to suffer. And soon they will learn the true reason why the Left ought to be hated. And not just disagreed with. They have not suffered enough to understand the true face of the Left. Not yet. Not even with all that has happened. They yet still do not comprehend the depth of Leftist malignancy, malevolence, and chaotic nihilism. The Leftist alliance is composed of many ideological factions, many contradictory, yet they are bound by an iron purpose and determination. To seek your enslavement. Not destruction. That is only a means to an end. The bankruptcy leading up to the foreclosure, rather than bankruptcy being the goal in itself. They make you broke in order to enslave.</p>
<p>Obama could never do as he has done if the entire Left weren’t behind him. You know this and see it. Yet many people continue to believe that if they only get rid of Obama, all their issues will be resolved. That is foolishness. That is the short sighted view of those interested in winning and fighting over elections. Meaningless conflicts when considering the long term strategic plan of the Left.</p>
<p>In this age of information, we still have ignorance galore. Too many people are misled. Too many know too much of the wrong things while claiming them to be right. If the internet has spread knowledge, it has also spread ignorance amazingly enough. I never knew ignorance could be spread, before I witnessed the Left’s cultists in action.</p>
<p>What the Obamanation did with the budget, a strategic victory encompassing years in the making, creating an advantage out of the weakness of losing the Senate to the GOP, still tells me that we have Yet to see the worst. The Left still has something even better in store for all of us. Look forward to it. If I know them, and I do, it will be a sight to see as it eradicates the lives of millions.</p>
<p>How long will humanity have to learn to suffer before humans gain wisdom? It took humanity 20,000 years to figure out it was a good idea to try out an America. How long will it be before they get their next bright idea.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Apr 2011 04:58:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The Jews are culturally identifying with the Left in America in a fashion much as the South did with the Democrat party before Reagan freed them from their chains.

That kind of party affiliation is only half voluntary. The other parts are social prohibition and cultural lock step marching.

The Jews, being where they are in the US, have absorbed Leftist thinking. Even in Israel you have seen endless attempts to become &quot;One&quot; with the Palis.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Jews are culturally identifying with the Left in America in a fashion much as the South did with the Democrat party before Reagan freed them from their chains.</p>
<p>That kind of party affiliation is only half voluntary. The other parts are social prohibition and cultural lock step marching.</p>
<p>The Jews, being where they are in the US, have absorbed Leftist thinking. Even in Israel you have seen endless attempts to become &#8220;One&#8221; with the Palis.</p>
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		By: Occam's Beard		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Apr 2011 18:21:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Re: Jewish leftism…I’m wondering if it may just fall under the larger umbrella of minority oppositism. By this i’m referring to a phenomenon that seems to commonly occur where small cohesive groups lack the numbers to be in charge and almost reflexively choose a position opposite of the majority that is in charge.

This is like an instinctual defense against loss of group identity.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

SteveH, I&#039;ve thought about this, but I don&#039;t think it explains the phenomenon. The most obvious counterexample would be the Mormons, although arguably the difference in concern about dilution of group identity lies in whether the group is a proselytizing one or not.

In fact, the Mormons are a great example of how a minority group can retain its identity and values and yet not trigger a sociological immune reaction from the majority. Once in a startup with a substantial Mormon representation the champagne flowed at a corporate celebration. The Mormons joined in, drinking sparkling apple cider. No drama, no making a point of holding themselves out as different, yet no compromise on principles either. Very wise indeed.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Re: Jewish leftism…I’m wondering if it may just fall under the larger umbrella of minority oppositism. By this i’m referring to a phenomenon that seems to commonly occur where small cohesive groups lack the numbers to be in charge and almost reflexively choose a position opposite of the majority that is in charge.</p>
<p>This is like an instinctual defense against loss of group identity.</p></blockquote>
<p>SteveH, I&#8217;ve thought about this, but I don&#8217;t think it explains the phenomenon. The most obvious counterexample would be the Mormons, although arguably the difference in concern about dilution of group identity lies in whether the group is a proselytizing one or not.</p>
<p>In fact, the Mormons are a great example of how a minority group can retain its identity and values and yet not trigger a sociological immune reaction from the majority. Once in a startup with a substantial Mormon representation the champagne flowed at a corporate celebration. The Mormons joined in, drinking sparkling apple cider. No drama, no making a point of holding themselves out as different, yet no compromise on principles either. Very wise indeed.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Apr 2011 16:37:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[effess,

Thanks for the Charlie Rose link. Ryan is great. Compare our team with theirs. Isn&#039;t Barney Frank one of their economy experts?]]></description>
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<p>Thanks for the Charlie Rose link. Ryan is great. Compare our team with theirs. Isn&#8217;t Barney Frank one of their economy experts?</p>
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		By: Artfldgr		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Apr 2011 15:14:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I wrote this little (for me) piece to hopefully make things clearer

It’s hard to see what is at play when you look at the show itself. 
There is all this extra stuff and an inability to weed out what’s important from what is not important. After all, there are many levels of such, not just personal whim. 

So let me make it very clear (if I can) by abstracting the problem to another example, and show through that the different mix at hand. 

Rather than look to see Obama as black, or this or that. Or even whether you focus on him, FDR, bush, etc… the essentials are the same. Human experience is not so varied. 

The example I will use is from nature, the Scarlet King Snake, and the Coral Snake. 

To the ignorant, it’s complete random hit or miss, whether they would get killed. Ergo the ignorant tend towards fear and avoidance. If one of the lottery prizes is death, or other damage, perhaps not making a bet is the right choice.  If the ignorant get to choose without such a negative outcome, they will. Ergo their willingness on the left to get someone else to try it first — but even that, in reality isn’t good enough, because the next event may not be the same kind of snake just seem like it. 

To the somewhat knowing, it’s a different story… it depends on WHAT they know, and how general or specific it is. that is, specific knowing, can make the issue a non issue. knowing that black yellow black is safe, and yellow black yellow is decidedly not safe, is a good way to go. however, ignorance masquerading as knowing (affirmative action), or partial knowing (half truths), or not knowing but believing you know (outright lies or guessing pretending competence), all have different outcomes than REAL knowing, whose outcome is as predictable as the sun. 

Also generally knowing works as well… surprise… that is, if you know that some snakes are safe, and some snakes are not safe, and you learn to handle not safe, and you apply that rule to all snakes till you know they are safe by examination, then guess what? Your outcome is almost as good as the real knowing is, and you do not HAVE to know, and the path it brings you along IS to real knowing, and safely.  (You can think of this as a kind of human scientific method)

So if you want to see whats going on, you have to imagine the population as a mix of ignorant, partial knowing, false knowing, etc… all mixed together, and with each one dealing with the world from that point. 

Example not included above… would be ignorant picking a person who they believe is knowing to guide them… not a bad choice when your blind… is it? and ignorance is a form of blindness… 

So understanding things and predicting things is not all that hard if you have an accuratre model. Though this kind of examination is more like insurance looks at things than being able to identify which of the mixes that they belong to. In truth, given the choces, the people, the ability to mix and adjust, there probably is no real sets… (but that might not stop people anyway… since its hard for them to imagine any thing else but sets for their mind to handle. But there are other things… for instance. I can do the thing by mixing up to cyclic curves… reversing fourier transforms… or making music… that is another way of mixing up sets without being locked into digital sets as now you can add time and displacement of ideas… but that’s WAY to abstract and people tend to think I am a swami… so lets not go there)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wrote this little (for me) piece to hopefully make things clearer</p>
<p>It’s hard to see what is at play when you look at the show itself.<br />
There is all this extra stuff and an inability to weed out what’s important from what is not important. After all, there are many levels of such, not just personal whim. </p>
<p>So let me make it very clear (if I can) by abstracting the problem to another example, and show through that the different mix at hand. </p>
<p>Rather than look to see Obama as black, or this or that. Or even whether you focus on him, FDR, bush, etc… the essentials are the same. Human experience is not so varied. </p>
<p>The example I will use is from nature, the Scarlet King Snake, and the Coral Snake. </p>
<p>To the ignorant, it’s complete random hit or miss, whether they would get killed. Ergo the ignorant tend towards fear and avoidance. If one of the lottery prizes is death, or other damage, perhaps not making a bet is the right choice.  If the ignorant get to choose without such a negative outcome, they will. Ergo their willingness on the left to get someone else to try it first — but even that, in reality isn’t good enough, because the next event may not be the same kind of snake just seem like it. </p>
<p>To the somewhat knowing, it’s a different story… it depends on WHAT they know, and how general or specific it is. that is, specific knowing, can make the issue a non issue. knowing that black yellow black is safe, and yellow black yellow is decidedly not safe, is a good way to go. however, ignorance masquerading as knowing (affirmative action), or partial knowing (half truths), or not knowing but believing you know (outright lies or guessing pretending competence), all have different outcomes than REAL knowing, whose outcome is as predictable as the sun. </p>
<p>Also generally knowing works as well… surprise… that is, if you know that some snakes are safe, and some snakes are not safe, and you learn to handle not safe, and you apply that rule to all snakes till you know they are safe by examination, then guess what? Your outcome is almost as good as the real knowing is, and you do not HAVE to know, and the path it brings you along IS to real knowing, and safely.  (You can think of this as a kind of human scientific method)</p>
<p>So if you want to see whats going on, you have to imagine the population as a mix of ignorant, partial knowing, false knowing, etc… all mixed together, and with each one dealing with the world from that point. </p>
<p>Example not included above… would be ignorant picking a person who they believe is knowing to guide them… not a bad choice when your blind… is it? and ignorance is a form of blindness… </p>
<p>So understanding things and predicting things is not all that hard if you have an accuratre model. Though this kind of examination is more like insurance looks at things than being able to identify which of the mixes that they belong to. In truth, given the choces, the people, the ability to mix and adjust, there probably is no real sets… (but that might not stop people anyway… since its hard for them to imagine any thing else but sets for their mind to handle. But there are other things… for instance. I can do the thing by mixing up to cyclic curves… reversing fourier transforms… or making music… that is another way of mixing up sets without being locked into digital sets as now you can add time and displacement of ideas… but that’s WAY to abstract and people tend to think I am a swami… so lets not go there)</p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Apr 2011 13:45:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[CV, 
  that&#039;s ok... George Foreman (i think - but probably am wrong) couldn&#039;t punch his way out of a paper bag they made for him to test it out. (way before myth busters)...   i remember the sequence but cant remember the show, or when... sorry... not the kind of think i refresh much...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CV,<br />
  that&#8217;s ok&#8230; George Foreman (i think &#8211; but probably am wrong) couldn&#8217;t punch his way out of a paper bag they made for him to test it out. (way before myth busters)&#8230;   i remember the sequence but cant remember the show, or when&#8230; sorry&#8230; not the kind of think i refresh much&#8230;</p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Apr 2011 13:34:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Alinsky&#039;s acolytes delight in abusing the norms of propriety.  This is part of the shtik.  Their targets are surprised by their boorish behavior and then immobilized by fear of embarrassment.  The power of social pressure is immense, but to adopt a posture of shamelessness is liberating and bewildering.  Consider Groucho Marx and Margaret Dumont as a comic version of the dynamic.

But if the shameless are given the judge&#039;s chair, and the power to accuse and shame, a much darker dynamic is the result.  After the Long March through the Institutions, this is what has happened.    In an ironic twist on the famous dictum of Karl Marx, the first time was farce, the second time is tragedy.

The bottom line is that there is no excuse for being surprised by boorish behavior from the Left, and no upside in being bound to rules and conventions that your opponents will not respect themselves.   You must be prepared to turn the tables.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alinsky&#8217;s acolytes delight in abusing the norms of propriety.  This is part of the shtik.  Their targets are surprised by their boorish behavior and then immobilized by fear of embarrassment.  The power of social pressure is immense, but to adopt a posture of shamelessness is liberating and bewildering.  Consider Groucho Marx and Margaret Dumont as a comic version of the dynamic.</p>
<p>But if the shameless are given the judge&#8217;s chair, and the power to accuse and shame, a much darker dynamic is the result.  After the Long March through the Institutions, this is what has happened.    In an ironic twist on the famous dictum of Karl Marx, the first time was farce, the second time is tragedy.</p>
<p>The bottom line is that there is no excuse for being surprised by boorish behavior from the Left, and no upside in being bound to rules and conventions that your opponents will not respect themselves.   You must be prepared to turn the tables.</p>
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		By: CV		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Apr 2011 12:48:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dennis Prager has written a lot about Jewish leftism also. He says that the most frequent questions he gets from non-Jews is &quot;why are Jews so liberal?&quot;

His short take on it is here (from Jewish World Review). I believe he explores the subject in depth in other columns:

http://www.jewishworldreview.com/0406/prager042506.php3]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dennis Prager has written a lot about Jewish leftism also. He says that the most frequent questions he gets from non-Jews is &#8220;why are Jews so liberal?&#8221;</p>
<p>His short take on it is here (from Jewish World Review). I believe he explores the subject in depth in other columns:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.jewishworldreview.com/0406/prager042506.php3" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.jewishworldreview.com/0406/prager042506.php3</a></p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Apr 2011 12:46:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What is sad, is that mono e mono, man to man, Obama doesn&#039;t look like he could punch his way out of a beauty parlor.]]></description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Apr 2011 12:02:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Great discussion here. 
Re: Jewish leftism...I&#039;m wondering if it may just fall under the larger umbrella of minority oppositism. By this i&#039;m referring to a phenomenon that seems to commonly occur where small cohesive groups lack the numbers to be in charge and almost reflexively choose a position opposite of the majority that is in charge.

 This is like an instinctual defense against loss of group identity. This explains why the radical minority sects in China will embrace western ideas of freedom in protecting their identity as seperate from the majority. And it also explains why the jew living in Israel doesn&#039;t have quite the same worldview as the jew living in Christian majority America.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great discussion here.<br />
Re: Jewish leftism&#8230;I&#8217;m wondering if it may just fall under the larger umbrella of minority oppositism. By this i&#8217;m referring to a phenomenon that seems to commonly occur where small cohesive groups lack the numbers to be in charge and almost reflexively choose a position opposite of the majority that is in charge.</p>
<p> This is like an instinctual defense against loss of group identity. This explains why the radical minority sects in China will embrace western ideas of freedom in protecting their identity as seperate from the majority. And it also explains why the jew living in Israel doesn&#8217;t have quite the same worldview as the jew living in Christian majority America.</p>
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