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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2011/03/28/is-ayers-admitting-he-wrote-dreams-from-my-father/#comment-237445</link>

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					<description><![CDATA[Artfldgr: and weeding people of conscience out accomplishes two goals at once--it eliminates them and the trouble they might cause, and it serves as a warning and discouragement to others who might think of acting the same way.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Artfldgr: and weeding people of conscience out accomplishes two goals at once&#8211;it eliminates them and the trouble they might cause, and it serves as a warning and discouragement to others who might think of acting the same way.</p>
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		By: Artfldgr		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Mar 2011 14:23:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[he is the Boy from Brazil.. 

what if you dont start with key genetic material... 

but if you mold the child.. 

Give me four years to teach the children and the seed I have sown will never be uprooted.
Vladimir Lenin

in the old days, the elite called this &#039;grooming&#039;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>he is the Boy from Brazil.. </p>
<p>what if you dont start with key genetic material&#8230; </p>
<p>but if you mold the child.. </p>
<p>Give me four years to teach the children and the seed I have sown will never be uprooted.<br />
Vladimir Lenin</p>
<p>in the old days, the elite called this &#8216;grooming&#8217;</p>
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		By: Artfldgr		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2011/03/28/is-ayers-admitting-he-wrote-dreams-from-my-father/#comment-237435</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Artfldgr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Mar 2011 14:18:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ayers is showing why after the consolidation of the revolution, the people who made it are purged.. 

they made it, they can break it, so break them, once you make it. 

does one keep scaffolding in place permanently? 

of course they have the disease of the traitor. 
an interesting condition that narcissism favors. 
because it becomes a case of, if society don&#039;t see my greatness, i will sell them out to some society that does see it.  [so increasing narcissism, is increasing the pool or army in favor of the external - couple poverty, ideology, and you have a free army of people within your enemies borders who will sacrifice their lives for you for nothing]

and so that society tags them by pretending they are great, and using them as an army of termites to take their spite out on.  this is why gay men were always focused on...  

when things are the way they are, they are free to act / but when things change, they wont be free.. 

as the french revolutionary said.. 
when you are in charge, i protest and cry for my rights as that is your way. 

but when I am in charge, i remove all your rights, because that is MY way

Kolonai and I both see that the problem is not in the object or the material, its in the metaphysical.. 

in its being used as a prop to construct a reality for the purpose of controlling the outcome of history. ie, not living normally, which is reactionary... but proactive, which is totalitarian..  and sociopaths, as they do the same thing to avoid effort, and achieve any end, claiming morals dont exist.  

the kind of people who step up to the plate to have a place in a elite oligarchical aristocratic system, are RARELY normal... but are often sociopathic in that their audacious moves and brutality stuns the people into submission. 

its LATER as some of their children who don&#039;t have the disease but do have the power, that undo it. 

which is why the communist system is pseudo lineage, to weed those out..  to remove men of conscience from the aristocracy.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ayers is showing why after the consolidation of the revolution, the people who made it are purged.. </p>
<p>they made it, they can break it, so break them, once you make it. </p>
<p>does one keep scaffolding in place permanently? </p>
<p>of course they have the disease of the traitor.<br />
an interesting condition that narcissism favors.<br />
because it becomes a case of, if society don&#8217;t see my greatness, i will sell them out to some society that does see it.  [so increasing narcissism, is increasing the pool or army in favor of the external &#8211; couple poverty, ideology, and you have a free army of people within your enemies borders who will sacrifice their lives for you for nothing]</p>
<p>and so that society tags them by pretending they are great, and using them as an army of termites to take their spite out on.  this is why gay men were always focused on&#8230;  </p>
<p>when things are the way they are, they are free to act / but when things change, they wont be free.. </p>
<p>as the french revolutionary said..<br />
when you are in charge, i protest and cry for my rights as that is your way. </p>
<p>but when I am in charge, i remove all your rights, because that is MY way</p>
<p>Kolonai and I both see that the problem is not in the object or the material, its in the metaphysical.. </p>
<p>in its being used as a prop to construct a reality for the purpose of controlling the outcome of history. ie, not living normally, which is reactionary&#8230; but proactive, which is totalitarian..  and sociopaths, as they do the same thing to avoid effort, and achieve any end, claiming morals dont exist.  </p>
<p>the kind of people who step up to the plate to have a place in a elite oligarchical aristocratic system, are RARELY normal&#8230; but are often sociopathic in that their audacious moves and brutality stuns the people into submission. </p>
<p>its LATER as some of their children who don&#8217;t have the disease but do have the power, that undo it. </p>
<p>which is why the communist system is pseudo lineage, to weed those out..  to remove men of conscience from the aristocracy.</p>
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		By: Parker		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2011/03/28/is-ayers-admitting-he-wrote-dreams-from-my-father/#comment-237388</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Parker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Mar 2011 05:17:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[kolnai says, &quot;Obama has not been a resourceful wunderkind from day one. He has been stage-managed from day one, more of a puppet borne aloft on the fantasies, ambitions, dreams, and projections of others than an independent self-moving mover.&quot;

I agree.  It started when his father abandoned him and his mother dragged him to Indonesia and then neglected him and finally dumped him on his grandmother&#039;s (typical racist white woman) lap.  From a very young age he&#039;s been told that he is wonderful, brilliant, special, and handsome. He has been coddled and cooed over and his precious self-esteem has been stroked and stroked into a crippling ego masturbation addiction.  He&#039;s mesmerized by the mirror that tells him how fair he is and that mirror is simultaneously his audience and his prophet.  Sort of like Son of Sam getting messages from his dog.

BUT the majority of the American people don&#039;t care about any of that.  They care about the economy, their retirement portfolios, the imploding debt crisis, and soccer mom security issues.  These are the issues where he has to be relentlessly attacked.  Not who did or did not write Dreams of My Father.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kolnai says, &#8220;Obama has not been a resourceful wunderkind from day one. He has been stage-managed from day one, more of a puppet borne aloft on the fantasies, ambitions, dreams, and projections of others than an independent self-moving mover.&#8221;</p>
<p>I agree.  It started when his father abandoned him and his mother dragged him to Indonesia and then neglected him and finally dumped him on his grandmother&#8217;s (typical racist white woman) lap.  From a very young age he&#8217;s been told that he is wonderful, brilliant, special, and handsome. He has been coddled and cooed over and his precious self-esteem has been stroked and stroked into a crippling ego masturbation addiction.  He&#8217;s mesmerized by the mirror that tells him how fair he is and that mirror is simultaneously his audience and his prophet.  Sort of like Son of Sam getting messages from his dog.</p>
<p>BUT the majority of the American people don&#8217;t care about any of that.  They care about the economy, their retirement portfolios, the imploding debt crisis, and soccer mom security issues.  These are the issues where he has to be relentlessly attacked.  Not who did or did not write Dreams of My Father.</p>
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		By: kolnai		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2011/03/28/is-ayers-admitting-he-wrote-dreams-from-my-father/#comment-237384</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Mar 2011 04:59:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[neo - that&#039;s the one. It&#039;s as if he&#039;s trying to imitate Pop; its rhythm, its staccato flow.    

Sort of like when he speaks extemporaneously he sounds like he trips up trying to imitate his teleprompted orations. 

Parker - I tend to agree with you that this issue wouldn&#039;t sink Obama, and it certainly wouldn&#039;t dent his standing among his serfs.  He could shoot a puppy live on TV, thumping a Bible and screaming &quot;The gays made me do,&quot; and then speed off in a Hummer limo fist-bumping David Duke, and they wouldn&#039;t give a flying lotus.  

This discussion about Obama&#039;s talent as a writer - or lackthereof - is obviously not going anywhere beyond these parts of the right blogosphere.  Still and all, there is a truth of the matter, which neo is correct we will very likely never know.  There&#039;s good evidence that the truth is, per usual, near the opposite of what we&#039;ve been told by the Obamanauts.  That pisses me off, so I vent.

Be that as it may, what you say is good sense.  I&#039;m not bullish on Obama losing in 2012, but that&#039;s another vent.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>neo &#8211; that&#8217;s the one. It&#8217;s as if he&#8217;s trying to imitate Pop; its rhythm, its staccato flow.    </p>
<p>Sort of like when he speaks extemporaneously he sounds like he trips up trying to imitate his teleprompted orations. </p>
<p>Parker &#8211; I tend to agree with you that this issue wouldn&#8217;t sink Obama, and it certainly wouldn&#8217;t dent his standing among his serfs.  He could shoot a puppy live on TV, thumping a Bible and screaming &#8220;The gays made me do,&#8221; and then speed off in a Hummer limo fist-bumping David Duke, and they wouldn&#8217;t give a flying lotus.  </p>
<p>This discussion about Obama&#8217;s talent as a writer &#8211; or lackthereof &#8211; is obviously not going anywhere beyond these parts of the right blogosphere.  Still and all, there is a truth of the matter, which neo is correct we will very likely never know.  There&#8217;s good evidence that the truth is, per usual, near the opposite of what we&#8217;ve been told by the Obamanauts.  That pisses me off, so I vent.</p>
<p>Be that as it may, what you say is good sense.  I&#8217;m not bullish on Obama losing in 2012, but that&#8217;s another vent.</p>
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		By: Parker		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Parker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Mar 2011 04:29:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Occam says, &quot;In this latter connection I note that Obama obtained a hefty subprime mortgage...&quot;

Tony Rezko sweetheart deal.  (Una mano lava a la otra.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Occam says, &#8220;In this latter connection I note that Obama obtained a hefty subprime mortgage&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Tony Rezko sweetheart deal.  (Una mano lava a la otra.)</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2011/03/28/is-ayers-admitting-he-wrote-dreams-from-my-father/#comment-237369</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Mar 2011 04:00:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Beverly: except that in the same issue of the same magazine at Occidental, another poem by Obama appeared, and it was positively dreadful.  Really really bad.  Why edit and improve one, and not the other?

I reproduce &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/18/us/politics/18poems.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the other one&lt;/a&gt; here, in its entirety:

Under water grottos, caverns
Filled with apes
That eat figs.
Stepping on the figs
That the apes
Eat, they crunch.
The apes howl, bare
Their fangs, dance,
Tumble in the
Rushing water,
Musty, wet pelts
Glistening in the blue.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beverly: except that in the same issue of the same magazine at Occidental, another poem by Obama appeared, and it was positively dreadful.  Really really bad.  Why edit and improve one, and not the other?</p>
<p>I reproduce <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/18/us/politics/18poems.html" rel="nofollow">the other one</a> here, in its entirety:</p>
<p>Under water grottos, caverns<br />
Filled with apes<br />
That eat figs.<br />
Stepping on the figs<br />
That the apes<br />
Eat, they crunch.<br />
The apes howl, bare<br />
Their fangs, dance,<br />
Tumble in the<br />
Rushing water,<br />
Musty, wet pelts<br />
Glistening in the blue.</p>
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		By: Parker		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Parker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Mar 2011 03:57:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Oldlfyer says,  &quot;It wouldn’t surprise me at all if a good number of the intellectuals who worshiped at the shrine in ‘08 would slink away in ‘12, if it were demonstrated conclusively that he lied about the book.&quot;

The majority of comments are of the opinion that its important to know if Obama or Obama and a ghost writer or Ayers alone actually wrote Dreams of My Father.  I&#039;m skeptical that if it was demonstrated conclusively that Ayers wrote the book it would change very many minds about Obama.  

I certainly doubt it would make &#039;intellectuals&#039; slink away, people who self-identify as &#039;intellectual&#039; are not going to vote republican even if they learn Obama eats babies for breakfast.  And more importantly, the typical man/woman on the street doesn&#039;t care about Obama&#039;s writing skills or lack thereof.  They care about the economy and they care about security. They don&#039;t care about poetry or Frank&#039;s influence on young Barry.

IMO Obama will be defeated at the polls and leave office on 1/20/2013 only under these circumstances:  the republicans in congress demonstrate they are serious about deficit/debt reduction; the republicans put together a credible and cohesive plan to stop DC from hampering economic recovery and communicate that plan effectively; and the republican POTUS/VP ticket is undeniably conservative about fiscal matters and treads lightly on social issues.

Disclaimer: A lot can happen between now and November, 2012.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oldlfyer says,  &#8220;It wouldn’t surprise me at all if a good number of the intellectuals who worshiped at the shrine in ‘08 would slink away in ‘12, if it were demonstrated conclusively that he lied about the book.&#8221;</p>
<p>The majority of comments are of the opinion that its important to know if Obama or Obama and a ghost writer or Ayers alone actually wrote Dreams of My Father.  I&#8217;m skeptical that if it was demonstrated conclusively that Ayers wrote the book it would change very many minds about Obama.  </p>
<p>I certainly doubt it would make &#8216;intellectuals&#8217; slink away, people who self-identify as &#8216;intellectual&#8217; are not going to vote republican even if they learn Obama eats babies for breakfast.  And more importantly, the typical man/woman on the street doesn&#8217;t care about Obama&#8217;s writing skills or lack thereof.  They care about the economy and they care about security. They don&#8217;t care about poetry or Frank&#8217;s influence on young Barry.</p>
<p>IMO Obama will be defeated at the polls and leave office on 1/20/2013 only under these circumstances:  the republicans in congress demonstrate they are serious about deficit/debt reduction; the republicans put together a credible and cohesive plan to stop DC from hampering economic recovery and communicate that plan effectively; and the republican POTUS/VP ticket is undeniably conservative about fiscal matters and treads lightly on social issues.</p>
<p>Disclaimer: A lot can happen between now and November, 2012.</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Beverly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Mar 2011 03:51:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;. . . IMHO “Pop” is almost unquestionably written by Obama. It appeared in a literary magazine under his name as an undergraduate at Occidental. &quot;

With respect, Neo, I&#039;d offer this caveat -- literary magazine editors often edit the contributions of their favorite coddled classes. This guy, because he&#039;s a smooth talker and an attractive fellow, has been getting away with murder, and getting handouts/legs up, his whole life.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;. . . IMHO “Pop” is almost unquestionably written by Obama. It appeared in a literary magazine under his name as an undergraduate at Occidental. &#8221;</p>
<p>With respect, Neo, I&#8217;d offer this caveat &#8212; literary magazine editors often edit the contributions of their favorite coddled classes. This guy, because he&#8217;s a smooth talker and an attractive fellow, has been getting away with murder, and getting handouts/legs up, his whole life.</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Beverly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Mar 2011 03:45:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Profiles in Courage.&lt;/i&gt; Alleged author, and Pulitzer-prize winner, Jack Kennedy. Actual author, Ted Sorenson.

&lt;i&gt;Autobiography of Malcolm X.&lt;/i&gt; Alleged author, Malcolm Little. Actual author, Alex Haley.

&lt;i&gt;Roots.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;i&gt; Actual author, Alex Haley. Alleged Haley family history, but largely fabricated, as we later found out. 

This is the latest in a long line of ghostwritten BS.&lt;/i&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Profiles in Courage.</i> Alleged author, and Pulitzer-prize winner, Jack Kennedy. Actual author, Ted Sorenson.</p>
<p><i>Autobiography of Malcolm X.</i> Alleged author, Malcolm Little. Actual author, Alex Haley.</p>
<p><i>Roots.</i><i> Actual author, Alex Haley. Alleged Haley family history, but largely fabricated, as we later found out. </p>
<p>This is the latest in a long line of ghostwritten BS.</i></p>
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