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		By: IgotBupkis, President, United Anarchist Society		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2011/03/15/crichton-on-science-and-fear/#comment-235530</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[IgotBupkis, President, United Anarchist Society]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Mar 2011 01:18:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Heh. I wonder how many peoople who installed granite countertops understand that granite is a source of radiation that one has purposely  placed in their homes? and don’t get me started on smoke detectors…&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/i&gt;

Heh: An old quote from many many years ago:

&lt;b&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;...the [radioactive] emissions from the granite which Grand Central Station is built from, for example, exceed the permissible Nuclear Regulatory Commission limits for [the nuclear] industry. Grand Central Station couldn&#039;t get a license as a nuclear plant.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]></description>
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<blockquote><p>Heh. I wonder how many peoople who installed granite countertops understand that granite is a source of radiation that one has purposely  placed in their homes? and don’t get me started on smoke detectors…</p></blockquote>
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<p>Heh: An old quote from many many years ago:</p>
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<blockquote><p>&#8230;the [radioactive] emissions from the granite which Grand Central Station is built from, for example, exceed the permissible Nuclear Regulatory Commission limits for [the nuclear] industry. Grand Central Station couldn&#8217;t get a license as a nuclear plant.</p></blockquote>
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		By: IgotBupkis, President, United Anarchist Society		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2011/03/15/crichton-on-science-and-fear/#comment-235335</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[IgotBupkis, President, United Anarchist Society]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Mar 2011 06:42:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[You can find a lot more of his speeches, for now at least, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZTXeJWApwY&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here&lt;/a&gt;

Strangely, the following two very damning speeches have disappeared from his site, which had the essays out for people to read for themselves. I suggest you copy them while you can using &quot;Save as web page&quot;, since it seems to me that there is a concerted effort to eradicate his speeches from the Web. God only knows how long before the tinfoil hat types (yeah, sounds like a conspiracy theory, so call &#039;em that) manage to notice these and delete all access to them. Ha-ha-only-serious on that. They really aren&#039;t easy to find any more, and if you didn&#039;t know they existed, you&#039;d probably find little reference. There is something on them in the wiki entry, which are conveniently &quot;unsourced and hence targeted for removal&quot;. I&#039;d add the above links but I&#039;m afraid they&#039;d disappear like the other MC web pages that have the info.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://web.archive.org/web/20080312214357/www.michaelcrichton.com/speech-alienscauseglobalwarming.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Aliens Cause Global Warming&lt;/a&gt;

And

&lt;a href=&quot;http://web.archive.org/web/20080222132018/www.michaelcrichton.com/speech-complexity.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Complexity Theory and Environmental Management&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;b&gt;These two speeches should be &lt;i&gt;required reading&lt;/i&gt; in high schools. College courses should be &lt;i&gt;designed around them&lt;/i&gt;.&lt;/b&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can find a lot more of his speeches, for now at least, <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZTXeJWApwY" rel="nofollow">Here</a></p>
<p>Strangely, the following two very damning speeches have disappeared from his site, which had the essays out for people to read for themselves. I suggest you copy them while you can using &#8220;Save as web page&#8221;, since it seems to me that there is a concerted effort to eradicate his speeches from the Web. God only knows how long before the tinfoil hat types (yeah, sounds like a conspiracy theory, so call &#8217;em that) manage to notice these and delete all access to them. Ha-ha-only-serious on that. They really aren&#8217;t easy to find any more, and if you didn&#8217;t know they existed, you&#8217;d probably find little reference. There is something on them in the wiki entry, which are conveniently &#8220;unsourced and hence targeted for removal&#8221;. I&#8217;d add the above links but I&#8217;m afraid they&#8217;d disappear like the other MC web pages that have the info.</p>
<p><a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20080312214357/www.michaelcrichton.com/speech-alienscauseglobalwarming.html" rel="nofollow">Aliens Cause Global Warming</a></p>
<p>And</p>
<p><a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20080222132018/www.michaelcrichton.com/speech-complexity.html" rel="nofollow">Complexity Theory and Environmental Management</a></p>
<p><b>These two speeches should be <i>required reading</i> in high schools. College courses should be <i>designed around them</i>.</b></p>
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		By: IgotBupkis, President, United Anarchist Society		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2011/03/15/crichton-on-science-and-fear/#comment-235331</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[IgotBupkis, President, United Anarchist Society]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Mar 2011 06:17:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think the following points say it all:

1) Crichton&#039;s main body of work was neo-Luddite cautionary tales. In almost all cases, he looked at how things could go wrong and wrote an entertaining tale of exactly that happening... His topics in film include: Genetic Research (Andromeda Strain, Jurassic Park), Robotics and AI (Westworld), Tinkering with the brain (Terminal Man)... 

2) He set out to write such a tale about eco-disaster (he says this himself in &lt;i&gt;State of Fear&lt;/i&gt;)

3) When he looked at the facts about what was known and unknown about ecology, about what environmentalists did, rather than what they said, he found a very different proposition to base a story on -- and that became State of Fear, which is very much NOT a neo-Luddite cautionary tale.


&lt;b&gt;In other words, looking at the science behind AGW, he found it so onerously bad that the scientist in him &lt;i&gt;couldn&#039;t write the story.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;

Says one hell of a lot, both about Crichton and about the basis for AGW.

Along with the late Julian Simon, he was one of the few voices for sense and reason in the realm where science and politics meet.

&lt;blockquote&gt;RA said: 
&lt;i&gt;Of course, when cheap science is used to motivate subsidy hunting—see ethanol—that’s a whole other level of ignorance and mendacity.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The official term you&#039;re looking for, sir, is &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rent_seeking&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Rent Seeking&lt;/a&gt;

;-)

An actual understanding of it lies at the heart of every true libertarian.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the following points say it all:</p>
<p>1) Crichton&#8217;s main body of work was neo-Luddite cautionary tales. In almost all cases, he looked at how things could go wrong and wrote an entertaining tale of exactly that happening&#8230; His topics in film include: Genetic Research (Andromeda Strain, Jurassic Park), Robotics and AI (Westworld), Tinkering with the brain (Terminal Man)&#8230; </p>
<p>2) He set out to write such a tale about eco-disaster (he says this himself in <i>State of Fear</i>)</p>
<p>3) When he looked at the facts about what was known and unknown about ecology, about what environmentalists did, rather than what they said, he found a very different proposition to base a story on &#8212; and that became State of Fear, which is very much NOT a neo-Luddite cautionary tale.</p>
<p><b>In other words, looking at the science behind AGW, he found it so onerously bad that the scientist in him <i>couldn&#8217;t write the story.</i></b></p>
<p>Says one hell of a lot, both about Crichton and about the basis for AGW.</p>
<p>Along with the late Julian Simon, he was one of the few voices for sense and reason in the realm where science and politics meet.</p>
<blockquote><p>RA said:<br />
<i>Of course, when cheap science is used to motivate subsidy hunting—see ethanol—that’s a whole other level of ignorance and mendacity.</i></p></blockquote>
<p>The official term you&#8217;re looking for, sir, is <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rent_seeking" rel="nofollow">Rent Seeking</a></p>
<p>😉</p>
<p>An actual understanding of it lies at the heart of every true libertarian.</p>
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		By: Parker		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2011/03/15/crichton-on-science-and-fear/#comment-234765</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Mar 2011 03:14:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Richard Aubrey,

Asking a novelist to get all of the technical aspects 100% correct is fictional thinking.  Crichton never pretended to get it all technically correct.  He was a novelist.  For me, Congo was a fun read because of all the license he took with science: great ape behavior, etc. Same goes for Jurassic Park. That said, I am a fan so perhaps I sport a bias.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard Aubrey,</p>
<p>Asking a novelist to get all of the technical aspects 100% correct is fictional thinking.  Crichton never pretended to get it all technically correct.  He was a novelist.  For me, Congo was a fun read because of all the license he took with science: great ape behavior, etc. Same goes for Jurassic Park. That said, I am a fan so perhaps I sport a bias.</p>
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		By: LAG		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Mar 2011 20:35:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The best line comes at about 8 minutes in when he says that after Chernobyl the most damaging contributor to health issues according to the UN was &quot;bad information.&quot; Can you guess who provided that in bushel baskets?

Crichton was not always a great writer, but I think he was an honest one who did his homework.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The best line comes at about 8 minutes in when he says that after Chernobyl the most damaging contributor to health issues according to the UN was &#8220;bad information.&#8221; Can you guess who provided that in bushel baskets?</p>
<p>Crichton was not always a great writer, but I think he was an honest one who did his homework.</p>
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		By: I R A Darth Aggie		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[I R A Darth Aggie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Mar 2011 20:14:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;IOW, saying “radiation” isn’t the same as saying BOOOGABOOOGA WE’RE ALL GONNA DIE!!!! Not sure everybody gets that.&lt;/i&gt;

Heh. I wonder how many peoople who installed granite countertops understand that granite is a source of radiation that one has &lt;i&gt;purposely&lt;/i&gt; placed in their homes? and don&#039;t get me started on smoke detectors...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>IOW, saying “radiation” isn’t the same as saying BOOOGABOOOGA WE’RE ALL GONNA DIE!!!! Not sure everybody gets that.</i></p>
<p>Heh. I wonder how many peoople who installed granite countertops understand that granite is a source of radiation that one has <i>purposely</i> placed in their homes? and don&#8217;t get me started on smoke detectors&#8230;</p>
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		By: Richard Aubrey		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Aubrey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Mar 2011 14:42:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Read &quot;Congo&quot; and the Jurassic Park novels.  Lousy science, poor legwork. In &quot;Congo&quot;, he had the c130 being the world&#039;s largest cargo plane.
In JP II, he had a solar powered golf cart/motorcycle zooming all over the countryside, even at night, based on a day&#039;s worth of solar on the roof of the thing.
Also,  I was a quarter into a fantastic time travel novel when his Timeline came out.  I had better characters and plot.  Even started out the same way.  But I was busted.
That said, we don&#039;t have the proper treatment of science in this country.  That includes skepticism, theory of the replicable--or not--experiment, context, and various other things.
I recall in 1960 HS chem using cheap orange tableware to practice with radiation counters.  The prof told us that many folks eat off that stuff with no adverse effect.  IOW, saying &quot;radiation&quot; isn&#039;t the same as saying BOOOGABOOOGA WE&#039;RE ALL GONNA DIE!!!!  Not sure everybody gets that.
Of course, when cheap science is used to motivate subsidy hunting--see ethanol--that&#039;s a whole other level of ignorance and mendacity.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Read &#8220;Congo&#8221; and the Jurassic Park novels.  Lousy science, poor legwork. In &#8220;Congo&#8221;, he had the c130 being the world&#8217;s largest cargo plane.<br />
In JP II, he had a solar powered golf cart/motorcycle zooming all over the countryside, even at night, based on a day&#8217;s worth of solar on the roof of the thing.<br />
Also,  I was a quarter into a fantastic time travel novel when his Timeline came out.  I had better characters and plot.  Even started out the same way.  But I was busted.<br />
That said, we don&#8217;t have the proper treatment of science in this country.  That includes skepticism, theory of the replicable&#8211;or not&#8211;experiment, context, and various other things.<br />
I recall in 1960 HS chem using cheap orange tableware to practice with radiation counters.  The prof told us that many folks eat off that stuff with no adverse effect.  IOW, saying &#8220;radiation&#8221; isn&#8217;t the same as saying BOOOGABOOOGA WE&#8217;RE ALL GONNA DIE!!!!  Not sure everybody gets that.<br />
Of course, when cheap science is used to motivate subsidy hunting&#8211;see ethanol&#8211;that&#8217;s a whole other level of ignorance and mendacity.</p>
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		By: SteveH		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Mar 2011 14:26:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I listen to this speech and long for a patriotic President that would call out out our destructive media in the same way. Which would surely prompt cries of shooting the messenger. But it&#039;s time we recognised they aren&#039;t just the messenger anymore. They increasingly create the messages out of whole cloth and do it from a socialist/marxist perspective. We deserve so much better than these indoctrinated ideologues purposely seeking to demoralise our country.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I listen to this speech and long for a patriotic President that would call out out our destructive media in the same way. Which would surely prompt cries of shooting the messenger. But it&#8217;s time we recognised they aren&#8217;t just the messenger anymore. They increasingly create the messages out of whole cloth and do it from a socialist/marxist perspective. We deserve so much better than these indoctrinated ideologues purposely seeking to demoralise our country.</p>
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		By: Adagny		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Adagny]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Mar 2011 13:30:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[-never let a crisis, or state of fear, go to waste-
even if you have to create it yourself]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>-never let a crisis, or state of fear, go to waste-<br />
even if you have to create it yourself</p>
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		By: Wry Mouth		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Mar 2011 05:29:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the h/t! I wanted a little more Crichton]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the h/t! I wanted a little more Crichton</p>
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