Comments on: The Iranian Reichstag fire https://thenewneo.com/2011/02/12/the-iranian-reichstag-fire/ A blog about political change, among other things Wed, 16 Feb 2011 16:49:08 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=7.0.2 By: Ymarsakar https://thenewneo.com/2011/02/12/the-iranian-reichstag-fire/#comment-226185 Wed, 16 Feb 2011 16:49:08 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2011/02/12/the-iranian-reichstag-fire/#comment-226185 Except they tried, but failed. They FAILED.

Chile’s economy after Pinochet resigned was enormous in growth and prosperity.

]]> By: Ymarsakar https://thenewneo.com/2011/02/12/the-iranian-reichstag-fire/#comment-226184 Wed, 16 Feb 2011 16:48:35 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2011/02/12/the-iranian-reichstag-fire/#comment-226184 Oh yea, don’t forget Pinochet.

They did to him, what they did to the South Vietnamese, Rhodesia’s white leadership cadre, and the Shah of Iran. The last one at least.

]]> By: Richard Saunders https://thenewneo.com/2011/02/12/the-iranian-reichstag-fire/#comment-225745 Tue, 15 Feb 2011 00:21:25 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2011/02/12/the-iranian-reichstag-fire/#comment-225745 In the animated movie “Persopolis,” written and directed by an Iranian, she makes the point that under the Shah there were 3,000 political prisoners, while under the mullahs there are 300,000.

]]> By: Ymarsakar https://thenewneo.com/2011/02/12/the-iranian-reichstag-fire/#comment-225646 Mon, 14 Feb 2011 19:30:33 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2011/02/12/the-iranian-reichstag-fire/#comment-225646 I’m still waiting for Obama to get to work on making his own fire.

]]> By: Artfldgr https://thenewneo.com/2011/02/12/the-iranian-reichstag-fire/#comment-225623 Mon, 14 Feb 2011 18:13:39 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2011/02/12/the-iranian-reichstag-fire/#comment-225623 makes it easier to hide the repetitions of history of key parts are left out… its the larger idea not the smaller one. its not that its a fire, in this kind of building, its that its a crisis of a certain kind which then can be used a certain way. a tool.

]]> By: Richard Aubrey https://thenewneo.com/2011/02/12/the-iranian-reichstag-fire/#comment-225563 Mon, 14 Feb 2011 13:38:49 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2011/02/12/the-iranian-reichstag-fire/#comment-225563 Bob. I suppose I did. Among myriad others.

]]> By: Bob From Virginia https://thenewneo.com/2011/02/12/the-iranian-reichstag-fire/#comment-225506 Mon, 14 Feb 2011 05:48:24 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2011/02/12/the-iranian-reichstag-fire/#comment-225506 Richard Aubrey wrote
“Not only is a lie faster, it’s difficult to refute. You can tell a lie in a short sentence. Refuting it takes paragraphs, cites of supporting data which will be obfuscated by the liar, and after much effort…the liar goes elsewhere and lies some more.”

You just described Israel’s position vis a vis the Palestinians.

]]> By: Stan from Sugar Land https://thenewneo.com/2011/02/12/the-iranian-reichstag-fire/#comment-225493 Mon, 14 Feb 2011 03:36:30 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2011/02/12/the-iranian-reichstag-fire/#comment-225493 My opinion on the Reichstag fire, but not Cinema Rex, is most events represent an opportunity to be seized by the most prepared or aggressive group – here think Hilter et al. Re groups like the muslim brother and the fundmentalist in Iran, these people can encourage the “true believer” to do extreme things and blame others as it just doesn’t seem logical that someone would commit sucide so readily. Hopefully, we have learned!

]]> By: Ymarsakar https://thenewneo.com/2011/02/12/the-iranian-reichstag-fire/#comment-225349 Sun, 13 Feb 2011 17:30:13 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2011/02/12/the-iranian-reichstag-fire/#comment-225349 Sgt. Mom

the Liar is comparable to the position of a Marine assault force. In attacking, they have the initiative, surprise, and momentum on their sides.

So the reason the lie goes around farther, is because it got a leg up on the competition. As Richard says, you need to do some work to “portray” the truth, so to speak. How do you portray the truth? Well, first, you have to respond to the lie, then create your own narrative. While you are doing that, the lie is convincing people because there’s nothing there that counters it.

So far, distributed network blogging and internet forums have mitigated some of the “surprise” advantages of normal propaganda arm operations such as classically done by the media or the KGB. It’s not a finishing blow to them, but it does curtail a lot of their former effectiveness.

In a nutshell, it helps a lot after Tucson for people to STOMP on the lies immediately using distributed internet networking and information sharing. A lot.

It DOES NOT MATTER if you know the truth about Tucson or not, or whether you have a proper “narrative” in store. You have to react immediately to the lie, and STOMP It into the mouths of the propagandist. IF you don’t put up a fight, people will take the lack of “argument” to be the proof that the first case was true. Don’t let hat happen. It doesn’t matter if you “know the truth about Tucson on Day1”. All that matters is you get up and shut up the Left.

That’s about it, essentially. It’s very comparable to the OODA loop theory by Colonel Boyd and several military stratagems that use surprise as a force multiplier. React now, don’t think. When surprised, act now. Don’t think about irrelevant things. When ambushed, act now, stop thinking about what to do next. You don’t need to look around to see how many enemies are. How they are attacking you, or why you got surprised. Just act. As in ATTACK them.

The shock value of propaganda is that it shocks, literally paralyzes, people that are being accused. In their minds, they are surprised and thinking “that can’t be true” and attempting to “figure out” what is going on.

Well, when a unit is ambushed and if they try to “figure out” how the enemy ambushed him, guess what’s going to happen to the unit? They’re going to sustain some significant casualties.

]]> By: Ymarsakar https://thenewneo.com/2011/02/12/the-iranian-reichstag-fire/#comment-225342 Sun, 13 Feb 2011 16:59:32 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2011/02/12/the-iranian-reichstag-fire/#comment-225342 Since one often cannot know the truth about individual events, it is best not to let one’s world view, and the side one takes, depend upon such isolated truths. It was (or should have been) obvious that the the Shah was bad and the Islamists were bad

Totally wrong of course.

Basically the truth is this.

Certain methods preclude certain ends. If the goal of an improved Iran is achievable, it is only achievable by building something better. Carter, Khomeini, and the Shah were 3 general players, with secondary players being Russia and Sunni Islam.

Amongst the top 3, the Shah had an idea of where to go and was making the attempt to create a better future. Carter was, well, Carter. Sitting on the fence pretending he’s doing good. Khomeini, rather than overseeing ruin, actively set out to create it. That was consistent with his methods before, during, and after the troubles of Iran.

People who don’t notice the differences there, have an epistemological problem. Not going to be solved any time this century for them.

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