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		By: Artfldgr		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2011/01/24/palin-and-the-battle-for-feminism/#comment-220232</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jan 2011 21:54:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;The state is responsible for the upbringing of children&quot; &quot;The woman who takes up the struggle for the liberation of the working class must learn to understand that there is no more room for the old proprietary attitude which says: “These are my children, I owe them all my maternal solicitude and affection; those are your children, they are no concern of mine and I don’t care if they go hungry and cold — I have no time for other children.” The worker-mother must learn not to differentiate between yours and mine; she must remember that there are only our children, the children of Russia’s communist workers.&quot;

-Alexandra Kollontai -Komunistka, No. 2, 1920, and in English in The Worker, 1920]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The state is responsible for the upbringing of children&#8221; &#8220;The woman who takes up the struggle for the liberation of the working class must learn to understand that there is no more room for the old proprietary attitude which says: “These are my children, I owe them all my maternal solicitude and affection; those are your children, they are no concern of mine and I don’t care if they go hungry and cold — I have no time for other children.” The worker-mother must learn not to differentiate between yours and mine; she must remember that there are only our children, the children of Russia’s communist workers.&#8221;</p>
<p>-Alexandra Kollontai -Komunistka, No. 2, 1920, and in English in The Worker, 1920</p>
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		By: Artfldgr		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2011/01/24/palin-and-the-battle-for-feminism/#comment-220231</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Artfldgr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jan 2011 21:52:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[---&quot;We support the institutionalization of the on-going shift of authority to the female sex as males become accustomed and increasingly eager to cover a secondary, support role, relying on female guidance. We promote open debate of this transition so that its effects can be properly absorbed by society and its benefits not held back by outdated legislature.

To this end, as soon as it becomes financially possible we plan to begin donating a part of our revenues to feminist organizations who aggressively promote specific, strategic policy changes.&quot;

-DreamLover Labs makers of the Dreamlover 2000 male torture device]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8212;&#8220;We support the institutionalization of the on-going shift of authority to the female sex as males become accustomed and increasingly eager to cover a secondary, support role, relying on female guidance. We promote open debate of this transition so that its effects can be properly absorbed by society and its benefits not held back by outdated legislature.</p>
<p>To this end, as soon as it becomes financially possible we plan to begin donating a part of our revenues to feminist organizations who aggressively promote specific, strategic policy changes.&#8221;</p>
<p>-DreamLover Labs makers of the Dreamlover 2000 male torture device</p>
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		By: Baklava		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2011/01/24/palin-and-the-battle-for-feminism/#comment-219481</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Baklava]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jan 2011 16:52:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Promethea wrote, &lt;em&gt;She would probably be a much better President than many who have already served.&lt;/em&gt;

AGREED !

Better ideas.

More experience.

Has done more in her life in the private sector and as an executive than half the presidents.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Promethea wrote, <em>She would probably be a much better President than many who have already served.</em></p>
<p>AGREED !</p>
<p>Better ideas.</p>
<p>More experience.</p>
<p>Has done more in her life in the private sector and as an executive than half the presidents.</p>
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		By: Adagny		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Adagny]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jan 2011 14:41:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Good posts-
good points-
but it&#039;s all the sound that her voice makes.
Nails on a chalkboard to them.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good posts-<br />
good points-<br />
but it&#8217;s all the sound that her voice makes.<br />
Nails on a chalkboard to them.</p>
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		By: Barry Meislin		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Barry Meislin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jan 2011 09:44:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The phenomenon of Feminista Palin-haters has always intrigued---and amused me---me (in a head-shaking kind of way).

Sure, disagree with her views. It&#039;s a free country (still). But hate her? Revile her? Despise her? Sheesh.

OK, so maybe she doesn&#039;t dress as well as Michelle.... and that hairstyle....and those shoes.... etc., etc..... 

Certainly---and this is probably the key---she doesn&#039;t behave like she&#039;s supposed to behave; and she doesn&#039;t say what she&#039;s supposed to be saying.

Could it be (shock, horror), that at the end of the day, feministas are merely snobs with an agenda?.

In a nutshell: I think she makes them feel really inadequate.

(Heck, she makes me feel inadequate....)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The phenomenon of Feminista Palin-haters has always intrigued&#8212;and amused me&#8212;me (in a head-shaking kind of way).</p>
<p>Sure, disagree with her views. It&#8217;s a free country (still). But hate her? Revile her? Despise her? Sheesh.</p>
<p>OK, so maybe she doesn&#8217;t dress as well as Michelle&#8230;. and that hairstyle&#8230;.and those shoes&#8230;. etc., etc&#8230;.. </p>
<p>Certainly&#8212;and this is probably the key&#8212;she doesn&#8217;t behave like she&#8217;s supposed to behave; and she doesn&#8217;t say what she&#8217;s supposed to be saying.</p>
<p>Could it be (shock, horror), that at the end of the day, feministas are merely snobs with an agenda?.</p>
<p>In a nutshell: I think she makes them feel really inadequate.</p>
<p>(Heck, she makes me feel inadequate&#8230;.)</p>
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		By: expat		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jan 2011 09:29:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Promethea,

My 50s-70s memories are a bit different or maybe I just had a weird family. We were far closer to the I got Bupkis description of the 30s and 40s, perhaps because we were pretty poor and had strong rural ties. The 50s Hollywood glamour woman was on another planet. Our women and men pretty much fell into the standard roles, but moved outside them whenever they wanted. The men in our family always cooked. When I moved to Philly post college and had my first apartment, I requested a toolbox and tools for Christmas. I still have it. I remember a Liz Taylor movie in which she was a new bride and didn&#039;t know how to boil water. She may have looked good, but I thought she was too stupid for words. 

I initially supported feminist goals but turned away when the manhaters started to assume power. How could I hate the dad who bought me that toolbox?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Promethea,</p>
<p>My 50s-70s memories are a bit different or maybe I just had a weird family. We were far closer to the I got Bupkis description of the 30s and 40s, perhaps because we were pretty poor and had strong rural ties. The 50s Hollywood glamour woman was on another planet. Our women and men pretty much fell into the standard roles, but moved outside them whenever they wanted. The men in our family always cooked. When I moved to Philly post college and had my first apartment, I requested a toolbox and tools for Christmas. I still have it. I remember a Liz Taylor movie in which she was a new bride and didn&#8217;t know how to boil water. She may have looked good, but I thought she was too stupid for words. </p>
<p>I initially supported feminist goals but turned away when the manhaters started to assume power. How could I hate the dad who bought me that toolbox?</p>
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		By: Promethea		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2011/01/24/palin-and-the-battle-for-feminism/#comment-219377</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Promethea]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jan 2011 06:31:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I got Bupkis . . .

Warren Ferrell is a good guy. He understands the &quot;Big Idea.&quot;

The &quot;Big Idea&quot; of real feminism, not &quot;Gloria Steinem fake no-children feminism&quot; is that we should stop forcing people to fit into stupid categories. 

In the women&#039;s movement that I worked for, we fought against &quot;sex-role stereotyping.&quot; Therefore, I can, without shame, enjoy science-fiction (a &quot;male&quot; genre), and my husband, without shame, can collect cookbooks (a &quot;female&quot; genre). Lucky for me, I found the right man.

As far as I&#039;m concerned, us &quot;real feminists&quot; won, because today no one questions the fact that many men like cooking and many women like sports. In the 1950s-1970s, these were radical concepts!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got Bupkis . . .</p>
<p>Warren Ferrell is a good guy. He understands the &#8220;Big Idea.&#8221;</p>
<p>The &#8220;Big Idea&#8221; of real feminism, not &#8220;Gloria Steinem fake no-children feminism&#8221; is that we should stop forcing people to fit into stupid categories. </p>
<p>In the women&#8217;s movement that I worked for, we fought against &#8220;sex-role stereotyping.&#8221; Therefore, I can, without shame, enjoy science-fiction (a &#8220;male&#8221; genre), and my husband, without shame, can collect cookbooks (a &#8220;female&#8221; genre). Lucky for me, I found the right man.</p>
<p>As far as I&#8217;m concerned, us &#8220;real feminists&#8221; won, because today no one questions the fact that many men like cooking and many women like sports. In the 1950s-1970s, these were radical concepts!</p>
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		By: IgotBupkis		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[IgotBupkis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jan 2011 06:09:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[BTW, for someone who wants to grasp that there are differences between men and women, and one of the chief lies pushed by Feminism is that &quot;men oppress women&quot;, I do strongly recommend you seek out the works of &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr._Warren_Farrell&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Dr. Warren Farrell&lt;/a&gt;. Start with &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/Myth-Male-Power-Warren-Farrell/dp/0425181448&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Myth of Male Power&lt;/a&gt; and branch out from there. Dr. Farrell is a PhD Psychologist who is a former director for the NYC NOW organization, a position he was elected to a record three times for a male.

From the wiki:
&lt;i&gt;As the book&#039;s title implies, The Myth of Male Power challenged the belief that men had the power–in part by challenging the definition of power. Farrell defined power as &quot;control over one&#039;s life.&quot; He wrote that, &quot;In the past, neither sex had power; both sexes has roles: women&#039;s role was raise children; men&#039;s role was raise money.&lt;/i&gt;

Some quotes from the book:

&lt;i&gt;&quot;[Feminism has] focused on the fact that women as a group earned less -- without focusing on any of the reasons why women earned less, [such as:] full-time working men work an average of 9 hours per week more than full-time working women; men are more willing to relocate to undesirable locations, to work the less desirable hours, and to work the more hazardous jobs.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

&quot;[The question men need to ask, is:] &#039;Is earning money that someone else spends really power?&#039;&quot;

&lt;i&gt;&quot;The political genius of the feminist movement was its sense that it could appeal to all women only by emphasizing expansion of rights and opportunities and avoiding expansion of responsibilities. Had the National Organization for Women fought to register 18 year old girls for the draft, it might have lost members. Had feminism emphasized women&#039;s responsibilities for taking sexual initiatives, or paying for men&#039;s dinners, or choosing careers they liked less in order to support adult men better, its impact owuld have been more egalitarian but less politically successful.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

&quot;Essentially, women&#039;s liberation and men&#039;s mid-life crises were the same search for personal fulfillment, common values, mutual respect, and love. But while women&#039;s liberation was thought of as promoting identity, men&#039;s mid-life crises were thought of as identity crises. Women&#039;s liberation was called insight, self-discovery, and self-improvement, akin to maturity. Men&#039;s mid-life crises were discounted as irresponsibility, self-gratification, and selfishness, akin to immaturity. Women&#039;s crises got sympathy, men&#039;s crises got a bad rap.&quot;

&lt;i&gt;&quot;The U.S. Census Bureau found that as early as 1960, never-married women over 45 earned more in the workplace than never-married men over 45.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

&quot;What Feminism has contributed to women&#039;s options must be supported. But when Feminists suggest that God might be a She without [ever considering] that the Devil might also be female, they must be opposed.&quot;

&lt;i&gt;&quot;While we acknowledged that glass ceilings that kept women out of the top, we [have] ignored the glass floors that kept [them out of the bottom]. Thus the &#039;Jobs Rated Almanac&#039; reveals that the majority of the 25 worst jobs &#039;happen to be&#039; male dominated.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, for someone who wants to grasp that there are differences between men and women, and one of the chief lies pushed by Feminism is that &#8220;men oppress women&#8221;, I do strongly recommend you seek out the works of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr._Warren_Farrell" rel="nofollow">Dr. Warren Farrell</a>. Start with <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Myth-Male-Power-Warren-Farrell/dp/0425181448" rel="nofollow">The Myth of Male Power</a> and branch out from there. Dr. Farrell is a PhD Psychologist who is a former director for the NYC NOW organization, a position he was elected to a record three times for a male.</p>
<p>From the wiki:<br />
<i>As the book&#8217;s title implies, The Myth of Male Power challenged the belief that men had the power–in part by challenging the definition of power. Farrell defined power as &#8220;control over one&#8217;s life.&#8221; He wrote that, &#8220;In the past, neither sex had power; both sexes has roles: women&#8217;s role was raise children; men&#8217;s role was raise money.</i></p>
<p>Some quotes from the book:</p>
<p><i>&#8220;[Feminism has] focused on the fact that women as a group earned less &#8212; without focusing on any of the reasons why women earned less, [such as:] full-time working men work an average of 9 hours per week more than full-time working women; men are more willing to relocate to undesirable locations, to work the less desirable hours, and to work the more hazardous jobs.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>&#8220;[The question men need to ask, is:] &#8216;Is earning money that someone else spends really power?'&#8221;</p>
<p><i>&#8220;The political genius of the feminist movement was its sense that it could appeal to all women only by emphasizing expansion of rights and opportunities and avoiding expansion of responsibilities. Had the National Organization for Women fought to register 18 year old girls for the draft, it might have lost members. Had feminism emphasized women&#8217;s responsibilities for taking sexual initiatives, or paying for men&#8217;s dinners, or choosing careers they liked less in order to support adult men better, its impact owuld have been more egalitarian but less politically successful.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>&#8220;Essentially, women&#8217;s liberation and men&#8217;s mid-life crises were the same search for personal fulfillment, common values, mutual respect, and love. But while women&#8217;s liberation was thought of as promoting identity, men&#8217;s mid-life crises were thought of as identity crises. Women&#8217;s liberation was called insight, self-discovery, and self-improvement, akin to maturity. Men&#8217;s mid-life crises were discounted as irresponsibility, self-gratification, and selfishness, akin to immaturity. Women&#8217;s crises got sympathy, men&#8217;s crises got a bad rap.&#8221;</p>
<p><i>&#8220;The U.S. Census Bureau found that as early as 1960, never-married women over 45 earned more in the workplace than never-married men over 45.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>&#8220;What Feminism has contributed to women&#8217;s options must be supported. But when Feminists suggest that God might be a She without [ever considering] that the Devil might also be female, they must be opposed.&#8221;</p>
<p><i>&#8220;While we acknowledged that glass ceilings that kept women out of the top, we [have] ignored the glass floors that kept [them out of the bottom]. Thus the &#8216;Jobs Rated Almanac&#8217; reveals that the majority of the 25 worst jobs &#8216;happen to be&#8217; male dominated.&#8221;</i></p>
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		By: IgotBupkis		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[IgotBupkis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jan 2011 05:52:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&#062; &lt;i&gt;If women’s issue are useful to progressives, feminists will pretend. If not, feminists won’t pay attention.&lt;/i&gt;

Indeed. As was more than openly seen when NOW, who pushed so hard for &quot;sexual harassment legislation&quot;, had not a single thing to say when their progressive PotUS, who pushed the BS legislation through, was himself rather blatantly obviously guilty of sexual harassment.

No, not of Monica. She got &quot;paid&quot; real well in various job options and perks for her activities.

No, the women who were sexually harassed were the ones who DIDN&#039;T seek a set of Presidential Kneepads, and who DIDN&#039;T get cushy job offers at the Pentagon and elsewhere.

They are the ones who basically got told, &quot;See, ladies, give the powerful man a hummer, and you can get a great deal of reward for it... Any volunteers?&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; <i>If women’s issue are useful to progressives, feminists will pretend. If not, feminists won’t pay attention.</i></p>
<p>Indeed. As was more than openly seen when NOW, who pushed so hard for &#8220;sexual harassment legislation&#8221;, had not a single thing to say when their progressive PotUS, who pushed the BS legislation through, was himself rather blatantly obviously guilty of sexual harassment.</p>
<p>No, not of Monica. She got &#8220;paid&#8221; real well in various job options and perks for her activities.</p>
<p>No, the women who were sexually harassed were the ones who DIDN&#8217;T seek a set of Presidential Kneepads, and who DIDN&#8217;T get cushy job offers at the Pentagon and elsewhere.</p>
<p>They are the ones who basically got told, &#8220;See, ladies, give the powerful man a hummer, and you can get a great deal of reward for it&#8230; Any volunteers?&#8221;</p>
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		By: Promethea		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Promethea]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jan 2011 04:24:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Scrolling down after Igot bupkis&quot;s post . . .

Gloria Steinem was one of those &quot;media spokeswomen.&quot; She was created by the media. She was the Paris Hilton of the women&#039;s movement. 

There were a few more of those nobodies--Germaine Greer was another. I&#039;ve forgotten all those marxist manhaters now--Shulamit somebody. Robin somebody. The MSM loved them. They probably all hate Sarah Palin because she goes fishing and rides an ATV.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scrolling down after Igot bupkis&#8221;s post . . .</p>
<p>Gloria Steinem was one of those &#8220;media spokeswomen.&#8221; She was created by the media. She was the Paris Hilton of the women&#8217;s movement. </p>
<p>There were a few more of those nobodies&#8211;Germaine Greer was another. I&#8217;ve forgotten all those marxist manhaters now&#8211;Shulamit somebody. Robin somebody. The MSM loved them. They probably all hate Sarah Palin because she goes fishing and rides an ATV.</p>
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