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		By: Beverly		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2011/01/09/more-on-the-giffords-shooting-heroes-victims-and-others/#comment-215129</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Beverly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jan 2011 06:26:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If the Left can succeed in smearing Dallas forever as &quot;the redneck city where our hero, JFK, was shot,&quot;  albeit by an actual Communist, they&#039;re capable of anything.

I just wish the patriotic contingent wouldn&#039;t go into the automatic defensive crouch and keep talking about the Left&#039;s crazy accusation, even to refute it. It only serves to drive the slander deeper into the public &quot;mind.&quot;

We should pivot and bring all tubes to bear on the opponent, and fire at will (rhetorically, of course!). Keep the focus on Them, on their sleazy tactics, on their habit of lying and slandering opponents.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the Left can succeed in smearing Dallas forever as &#8220;the redneck city where our hero, JFK, was shot,&#8221;  albeit by an actual Communist, they&#8217;re capable of anything.</p>
<p>I just wish the patriotic contingent wouldn&#8217;t go into the automatic defensive crouch and keep talking about the Left&#8217;s crazy accusation, even to refute it. It only serves to drive the slander deeper into the public &#8220;mind.&#8221;</p>
<p>We should pivot and bring all tubes to bear on the opponent, and fire at will (rhetorically, of course!). Keep the focus on Them, on their sleazy tactics, on their habit of lying and slandering opponents.</p>
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		By: Artfldgr		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Artfldgr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jan 2011 18:24:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mark Penn appeared on MSNBC’s Hardball and said that President Clinton reconnected with his speech after the Oklahoma City bombings, and Obama needs a similar situation to do the same. 

and

Jared Lee Loughner, the suspected gunman in Saturday&#039;s Arizona shooting, attended a high school that is part of a network in which teachers are trained and provided resources by a liberal group founded by Weatherman terrorist Bill Ayers and funded by President Obama, WND has learned.

The group, Small Schools Workshop, has been led by a former top communist activist who is an associate of Ayers.


and


Federal Judge: Liberal Sheriff, Media Exploiting Attack 
http://spectator.org/archives/2011/01/10/federal-judge-liberal-sheriff

&lt;i&gt;The judge, a personal friend of the murdered federal judge John Roll, declined to be cited by name but was brimming with anger at what he termed the &quot;cynicism and downright evil&quot; of the liberal media&#039;s &quot;cynical attempt&quot; to blame conservative talk radio and television for the murder of the only public official not to survive the shootings -- the conservative Catholic Roll, an appointee of President George H.W. Bush.&lt;/i&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;
LEFTIST POLITICAL philosophy -- whether at its Communist extremes or with its weakest American liberal strains -- is about one thing and one thing only: man&#039;s domination of other men. Control. And in the relentless drive to dominate, leftists have a brutal, well-on-the-record history of two things.

First, deliberately and willfully committing political violence in the name of a leftist cause.

Second, blaming that violence on others -- the &quot;somebody else made me do it&quot; defense. Or, if the violence was perpetrated by a non-political crazy -- a &quot;lone nut&quot; in the judge&#039;s words -- cynically ascribing this violence to the favorite leftist political target -- and yes, target is the word -- of the moment.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Racial Violence: Yes, those were leftists underneath the hoods and robes of the Ku Klux Klan.....


Labor Violence:Long before Mao, however, American labor was practicing political violence well-admired by the American left. From the Chicago Haymarket Riot of 1886, in which a bomb was exploded killing eight policemen during a strike, plus 

Student Violence: A classic example from the 1960&#039;s was the confrontation between then-Governor Ronald Reagan and radical leftists 

Radical Violence: Perhaps the most spectacular example of radical left violence occurred at the 1968 Democratic National Convention in Chicago.

Political Assassinations: Four presidents of the United States have been assassinated. One, James Garfield in 1881, by a &quot;disappointed office seeker.&quot; &lt;b&gt;The other three -- Abraham Lincoln, William McKinley, and John F. Kennedy were all killed by staunch believers in the leftist causes of their day.&lt;/b&gt;

In 1963, the American right (and by implication then-rising conservative star Senator Barry Goldwater) was blamed for JFK&#039;s assassination -- which, of course, was done by Oswald the pro-Communist who once tried to defect to the Soviet Union. 

In 1886 the Haymarket Riot was blamed on capitalists, the same people Obama aide Ron Bloom believed needed threatening in today&#039;s world. The Ku Klux Klan blamed their leftist violence on the audacity of blacks, leftist blacks blamed their leftist violence on the audacity of whites.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;


so much more at the link...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark Penn appeared on MSNBC’s Hardball and said that President Clinton reconnected with his speech after the Oklahoma City bombings, and Obama needs a similar situation to do the same. </p>
<p>and</p>
<p>Jared Lee Loughner, the suspected gunman in Saturday&#8217;s Arizona shooting, attended a high school that is part of a network in which teachers are trained and provided resources by a liberal group founded by Weatherman terrorist Bill Ayers and funded by President Obama, WND has learned.</p>
<p>The group, Small Schools Workshop, has been led by a former top communist activist who is an associate of Ayers.</p>
<p>and</p>
<p>Federal Judge: Liberal Sheriff, Media Exploiting Attack<br />
<a href="http://spectator.org/archives/2011/01/10/federal-judge-liberal-sheriff" rel="nofollow ugc">http://spectator.org/archives/2011/01/10/federal-judge-liberal-sheriff</a></p>
<p><i>The judge, a personal friend of the murdered federal judge John Roll, declined to be cited by name but was brimming with anger at what he termed the &#8220;cynicism and downright evil&#8221; of the liberal media&#8217;s &#8220;cynical attempt&#8221; to blame conservative talk radio and television for the murder of the only public official not to survive the shootings &#8212; the conservative Catholic Roll, an appointee of President George H.W. Bush.</i></p>
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LEFTIST POLITICAL philosophy &#8212; whether at its Communist extremes or with its weakest American liberal strains &#8212; is about one thing and one thing only: man&#8217;s domination of other men. Control. And in the relentless drive to dominate, leftists have a brutal, well-on-the-record history of two things.</p>
<p>First, deliberately and willfully committing political violence in the name of a leftist cause.</p>
<p>Second, blaming that violence on others &#8212; the &#8220;somebody else made me do it&#8221; defense. Or, if the violence was perpetrated by a non-political crazy &#8212; a &#8220;lone nut&#8221; in the judge&#8217;s words &#8212; cynically ascribing this violence to the favorite leftist political target &#8212; and yes, target is the word &#8212; of the moment.</p>
<p>-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-</p>
<p>Racial Violence: Yes, those were leftists underneath the hoods and robes of the Ku Klux Klan&#8230;..</p>
<p>Labor Violence:Long before Mao, however, American labor was practicing political violence well-admired by the American left. From the Chicago Haymarket Riot of 1886, in which a bomb was exploded killing eight policemen during a strike, plus </p>
<p>Student Violence: A classic example from the 1960&#8217;s was the confrontation between then-Governor Ronald Reagan and radical leftists </p>
<p>Radical Violence: Perhaps the most spectacular example of radical left violence occurred at the 1968 Democratic National Convention in Chicago.</p>
<p>Political Assassinations: Four presidents of the United States have been assassinated. One, James Garfield in 1881, by a &#8220;disappointed office seeker.&#8221; <b>The other three &#8212; Abraham Lincoln, William McKinley, and John F. Kennedy were all killed by staunch believers in the leftist causes of their day.</b></p>
<p>In 1963, the American right (and by implication then-rising conservative star Senator Barry Goldwater) was blamed for JFK&#8217;s assassination &#8212; which, of course, was done by Oswald the pro-Communist who once tried to defect to the Soviet Union. </p>
<p>In 1886 the Haymarket Riot was blamed on capitalists, the same people Obama aide Ron Bloom believed needed threatening in today&#8217;s world. The Ku Klux Klan blamed their leftist violence on the audacity of blacks, leftist blacks blamed their leftist violence on the audacity of whites.
</p></blockquote>
<p>so much more at the link&#8230;</p>
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		By: Artfldgr		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jan 2011 17:50:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hanoi Jane Pins Tucson Shootings on Sarah Palin, Glenn Beck, Tea Party

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2011/01/08/jane-fonda-blames-giffords-shooting-sarah-palin-glenn-beck-and-tea-pa#ixzz1AUgdDly5]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hanoi Jane Pins Tucson Shootings on Sarah Palin, Glenn Beck, Tea Party</p>
<p><a href="http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2011/01/08/jane-fonda-blames-giffords-shooting-sarah-palin-glenn-beck-and-tea-pa#ixzz1AUgdDly5" rel="nofollow ugc">http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2011/01/08/jane-fonda-blames-giffords-shooting-sarah-palin-glenn-beck-and-tea-pa#ixzz1AUgdDly5</a></p>
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		By: Curtis		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Curtis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jan 2011 16:50:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The real influence that is at least partly responsible for Loughner: Hollywood.

&quot;Tierney thinks that Loughner&#039;s mindset was like the Joker in the most recent Batman movie.&quot;

Tierney was a friend of Loughner&#039;s.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The real influence that is at least partly responsible for Loughner: Hollywood.</p>
<p>&#8220;Tierney thinks that Loughner&#8217;s mindset was like the Joker in the most recent Batman movie.&#8221;</p>
<p>Tierney was a friend of Loughner&#8217;s.</p>
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		By: Curtis		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Curtis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jan 2011 16:37:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Stark, you are just plain wrong. There&#039;s been nothing amiss with the statements of conservative politicians and pundits. Most conservatives aren&#039;t finding it extremely difficult to maintain perspective even thought we are the target of incendiary rhetoric that is meant to slander and smear. Slander is like murder because one&#039;s reputation can never be recovered. Those who slander cannot be forgiven by us and it is not our duty to forgive but to fight. Those who murder must pay the price; only God can forgive them.  

Moreover, those who are doing the slandering are not caught up in the moment. Slandering is their MO. They do it every chance they get. Wickedness thrives on darkness and you wish to turn off the light! 

You need to change your perspective, take up a torch and learn the facts about the killer and the facts or who really is spreading the slander and &quot;incendiary rhetoric.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stark, you are just plain wrong. There&#8217;s been nothing amiss with the statements of conservative politicians and pundits. Most conservatives aren&#8217;t finding it extremely difficult to maintain perspective even thought we are the target of incendiary rhetoric that is meant to slander and smear. Slander is like murder because one&#8217;s reputation can never be recovered. Those who slander cannot be forgiven by us and it is not our duty to forgive but to fight. Those who murder must pay the price; only God can forgive them.  </p>
<p>Moreover, those who are doing the slandering are not caught up in the moment. Slandering is their MO. They do it every chance they get. Wickedness thrives on darkness and you wish to turn off the light! </p>
<p>You need to change your perspective, take up a torch and learn the facts about the killer and the facts or who really is spreading the slander and &#8220;incendiary rhetoric.&#8221;</p>
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		By: Stark		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stark]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jan 2011 16:21:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Apparently most people find it extremely difficult to maintain perspective in the midst of such a shocking and emotional event. Observing many politicians and pundits reactions a reminder is that it is wise to refrain from making public pronouncements when one&#039;s hair is on fire. Also, reasoning people must deeply discount and forgive the spotlighted rantings of others who are caught up in the moment.  Obviously the country is saddened by the event, and wish that the shooting never took place.  President Obama should use this as a &quot;teachable moment&quot; and restore perspective.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apparently most people find it extremely difficult to maintain perspective in the midst of such a shocking and emotional event. Observing many politicians and pundits reactions a reminder is that it is wise to refrain from making public pronouncements when one&#8217;s hair is on fire. Also, reasoning people must deeply discount and forgive the spotlighted rantings of others who are caught up in the moment.  Obviously the country is saddened by the event, and wish that the shooting never took place.  President Obama should use this as a &#8220;teachable moment&#8221; and restore perspective.</p>
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		By: SteveH		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SteveH]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jan 2011 15:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[We got some power back in congress. Which should be somewhat of a bully pullpit to at least point out, if not launch a full fledged investigation, into the MSM&#039;s ideological driven propoganda 24/7 in this country.

 I&#039;m sorry. Had everyone in Tucson been killed, it&#039;s not as big or important a story as a whole nation of 300 million losing their rights and freedoms to tyranny because of a blatantly corrupt press.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We got some power back in congress. Which should be somewhat of a bully pullpit to at least point out, if not launch a full fledged investigation, into the MSM&#8217;s ideological driven propoganda 24/7 in this country.</p>
<p> I&#8217;m sorry. Had everyone in Tucson been killed, it&#8217;s not as big or important a story as a whole nation of 300 million losing their rights and freedoms to tyranny because of a blatantly corrupt press.</p>
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		By: Curtis		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jan 2011 15:28:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[When Satan gets a mind, antisemitism ain&#039;t far behind.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When Satan gets a mind, antisemitism ain&#8217;t far behind.</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[Daniel in Brookline, thanks for pointing that out.  I agree that more information is needed before a conclusion can be supported, but the possibility is worth knowing.

It&#039;s a possibility that the government, given its reluctance to acknowledge Islamic terrorism in the Ft. Hood shooting, may not be eager to follow up.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daniel in Brookline, thanks for pointing that out.  I agree that more information is needed before a conclusion can be supported, but the possibility is worth knowing.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a possibility that the government, given its reluctance to acknowledge Islamic terrorism in the Ft. Hood shooting, may not be eager to follow up.</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Daniel in Brookline]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jan 2011 05:46:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There&#039;s an obvious connection that I haven&#039;t seen mentioned yet.  

Rep. Giffords is Jewish.  Her shooter listed Mein Kampf as one of his favorite books.

I would NOT jump to conclusions based on this; we don&#039;t have enough data.  I&#039;d just like to point out that, if you want glib explanations and/or scapegoats, I&#039;d find such an explanation much more likely than anything involving Sarah Palin or the Tea Party.

Just sayin&#039;.

respectfully,
Daniel in Brookline]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s an obvious connection that I haven&#8217;t seen mentioned yet.  </p>
<p>Rep. Giffords is Jewish.  Her shooter listed Mein Kampf as one of his favorite books.</p>
<p>I would NOT jump to conclusions based on this; we don&#8217;t have enough data.  I&#8217;d just like to point out that, if you want glib explanations and/or scapegoats, I&#8217;d find such an explanation much more likely than anything involving Sarah Palin or the Tea Party.</p>
<p>Just sayin&#8217;.</p>
<p>respectfully,<br />
Daniel in Brookline</p>
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