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		By: Tom		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2011/01/08/horrific-news-representative-giffords-shot/#comment-214671</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jan 2011 16:23:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[They&#039;ve ALL been nutjobs. Oswald, Sirhan, Hassan, McVey, VA Tech, the Reagan shooter, all of them as best I can recall. Well, maybe not Oswald, who was totally Sovietized.
Not a rational rightwinger among them.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They&#8217;ve ALL been nutjobs. Oswald, Sirhan, Hassan, McVey, VA Tech, the Reagan shooter, all of them as best I can recall. Well, maybe not Oswald, who was totally Sovietized.<br />
Not a rational rightwinger among them.</p>
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		By: Mr. Frank		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mr. Frank]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jan 2011 13:46:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I see one parallel with his guy and the Virginia Tech shooter. It appears that a school he attended knew he was unhinged but took no action. Given all the privacy issues in higher education and the fear of lawsuits, there is little an instructor can do to blow the whistle on nutjobs. There are a substantial number of students in higher education on medication for mental health issues. Psychotics used to be locked up. There are also ex felons and ex gang members.

Before everyone had &quot;rights&quot; it was hard to get into college, and meaningful, honest references from people who knew you were required. That was when only 10-20 of high school students went on to post secondary education. Now it&#039;s close to 60%.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see one parallel with his guy and the Virginia Tech shooter. It appears that a school he attended knew he was unhinged but took no action. Given all the privacy issues in higher education and the fear of lawsuits, there is little an instructor can do to blow the whistle on nutjobs. There are a substantial number of students in higher education on medication for mental health issues. Psychotics used to be locked up. There are also ex felons and ex gang members.</p>
<p>Before everyone had &#8220;rights&#8221; it was hard to get into college, and meaningful, honest references from people who knew you were required. That was when only 10-20 of high school students went on to post secondary education. Now it&#8217;s close to 60%.</p>
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		By: IgotBupkis		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2011/01/08/horrific-news-representative-giffords-shot/#comment-214622</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[IgotBupkis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jan 2011 11:49:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&#062; &lt;i&gt;Is the next step to have every public official guarded in the same way the president must be? &lt;/i&gt;

I confess to suffering some quandary on this.

a) I consider it a sad thing in single human terms. As an individual human being, it is bad that anyone suffer in this manner.

b) In the larger context of our government&#039;s continued and determined ignoring of the expressed wishes of its constituency, it is both inevitable and desirable that this KIND of thing occur, although it should only impact the official and not bystanders -- certainly not a nearby innocent such as a nine-yo girl.

c) This is clearly not a good case of the above, however, as it appears that Jared, the shooter, was a total nutjob. That is, this is not a rational response to an overweening governmental encroachment on power, as firing at random into the surrounding crowd shows.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; <i>Is the next step to have every public official guarded in the same way the president must be? </i></p>
<p>I confess to suffering some quandary on this.</p>
<p>a) I consider it a sad thing in single human terms. As an individual human being, it is bad that anyone suffer in this manner.</p>
<p>b) In the larger context of our government&#8217;s continued and determined ignoring of the expressed wishes of its constituency, it is both inevitable and desirable that this KIND of thing occur, although it should only impact the official and not bystanders &#8212; certainly not a nearby innocent such as a nine-yo girl.</p>
<p>c) This is clearly not a good case of the above, however, as it appears that Jared, the shooter, was a total nutjob. That is, this is not a rational response to an overweening governmental encroachment on power, as firing at random into the surrounding crowd shows.</p>
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		By: Sergey		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sergey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jan 2011 10:39:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Several years ago I attended meeting near Moscow sinagogue protesting against Islamist terror campaign. Everybody who came to the meeting had to walk through metal detector and submit to patting down, and there were several hundred participants. Security measures at all public events organized by Israeli officials always are very serious, as they should be. And nobody in the huge crowd was annoyed by this arrangement, everybody understood its necessity.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Several years ago I attended meeting near Moscow sinagogue protesting against Islamist terror campaign. Everybody who came to the meeting had to walk through metal detector and submit to patting down, and there were several hundred participants. Security measures at all public events organized by Israeli officials always are very serious, as they should be. And nobody in the huge crowd was annoyed by this arrangement, everybody understood its necessity.</p>
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		By: kaba		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kaba]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jan 2011 10:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It would be informative to see the forensics on this young man&#039;s personal computer. The eyes may or may not be a window to the soul but a computer hard drive certainly is.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would be informative to see the forensics on this young man&#8217;s personal computer. The eyes may or may not be a window to the soul but a computer hard drive certainly is.</p>
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		By: JTW		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JTW]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jan 2011 07:39:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;I’m wondering, though, whether there was any police presence in the crowd at all. If not, why not? Isn’t it standard to have at least one police representative at an official gathering of this sort&quot;

Was the police presence similar to the police presence at the Coptic church in Alexandria maybe (iow, withdrawn to give the attackers opportunity)?

AFAIK congresscritters warrant USSS protection, but I&#039;m not certain about that. If so, and they weren&#039;t paying attention, they must have been under orders not to see the threat approaching.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I’m wondering, though, whether there was any police presence in the crowd at all. If not, why not? Isn’t it standard to have at least one police representative at an official gathering of this sort&#8221;</p>
<p>Was the police presence similar to the police presence at the Coptic church in Alexandria maybe (iow, withdrawn to give the attackers opportunity)?</p>
<p>AFAIK congresscritters warrant USSS protection, but I&#8217;m not certain about that. If so, and they weren&#8217;t paying attention, they must have been under orders not to see the threat approaching.</p>
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		By: foxmarks		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[foxmarks]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jan 2011 05:30:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If it is decided that every minor politician requires a security detail:

a) State and local governments are going to be broke even sooner.

b) The common folk will have less protection as policing resources are shifted away from common crimes.

I doubt we have enough impulse-controlled and psychologically stable humans to meet our current policing needs. Increasing demand for police means more wackos behind badges.

An increase in chaos is in a sense an increase in liberty. But the unpredictable application of force means that such liberty doesn’t feel as nice as I would like.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it is decided that every minor politician requires a security detail:</p>
<p>a) State and local governments are going to be broke even sooner.</p>
<p>b) The common folk will have less protection as policing resources are shifted away from common crimes.</p>
<p>I doubt we have enough impulse-controlled and psychologically stable humans to meet our current policing needs. Increasing demand for police means more wackos behind badges.</p>
<p>An increase in chaos is in a sense an increase in liberty. But the unpredictable application of force means that such liberty doesn’t feel as nice as I would like.</p>
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		By: Tom		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2011/01/08/horrific-news-representative-giffords-shot/#comment-214562</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jan 2011 04:35:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[rickl fears correctly: this will become a small (hopefully) Reichstag Fire. It will result in the Ruling Class&#039;s further physical isolation from the people. Armed guards will become exceedingly commonplace, kinda like the state troopers that now escort SEC coaches across football fields. Not that an armed guard could have prevented today&#039;s shootings, for good reasons previously posted. But Neo expects and seems to want &quot;Police presence&quot; at public affairs, and she is hardly alone.

Such increased &quot;security&quot; comes at the cost of liberty, a price we will all perforce pay.

Whaddaya think, Artfldgr?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rickl fears correctly: this will become a small (hopefully) Reichstag Fire. It will result in the Ruling Class&#8217;s further physical isolation from the people. Armed guards will become exceedingly commonplace, kinda like the state troopers that now escort SEC coaches across football fields. Not that an armed guard could have prevented today&#8217;s shootings, for good reasons previously posted. But Neo expects and seems to want &#8220;Police presence&#8221; at public affairs, and she is hardly alone.</p>
<p>Such increased &#8220;security&#8221; comes at the cost of liberty, a price we will all perforce pay.</p>
<p>Whaddaya think, Artfldgr?</p>
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		By: J.J. formerly Jimmy J.		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2011/01/08/horrific-news-representative-giffords-shot/#comment-214556</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[J.J. formerly Jimmy J.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jan 2011 03:55:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Loughner is an incoherent loser who may well be  certifiably insane.  His political beliefs were a mish mash of far right and far left ideas. 

There is some  indication that this young man was known to be disturbed by the junior college he attended, but he may not have received any counseling or referals to mental health care.  Identifying and treating, even if treating means putting dangerous  people in custody for public  safety, mentally disturbed people should be a higher priority in a free society. Of course it&#039;s possible this young man never raised any alarms  to the extent  that people would see him as possibly dangerous. Time will  tell.
 This is a major tragedy, but that would be true if the target  had not been a Congresswoman. There will be calls for gun control, security for public figures, no public gatherings without security arrangements, etc.  None of which, IMO, will improve security in a free society. 

Too many dead and wounded people. The grief and suffering are overwhelming. They and their families are in my prayers.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Loughner is an incoherent loser who may well be  certifiably insane.  His political beliefs were a mish mash of far right and far left ideas. </p>
<p>There is some  indication that this young man was known to be disturbed by the junior college he attended, but he may not have received any counseling or referals to mental health care.  Identifying and treating, even if treating means putting dangerous  people in custody for public  safety, mentally disturbed people should be a higher priority in a free society. Of course it&#8217;s possible this young man never raised any alarms  to the extent  that people would see him as possibly dangerous. Time will  tell.<br />
 This is a major tragedy, but that would be true if the target  had not been a Congresswoman. There will be calls for gun control, security for public figures, no public gatherings without security arrangements, etc.  None of which, IMO, will improve security in a free society. </p>
<p>Too many dead and wounded people. The grief and suffering are overwhelming. They and their families are in my prayers.</p>
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		By: rickl		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jan 2011 02:40:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[And as if on cue, the Brady Bunch weighs in:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-helmke/giffords-shooting-is-amer_b_806254.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Giffords Shooting Is an American Tragedy We Need to Urgently Address&lt;/a&gt;

The &#038;$#*% ghouls never miss an opportunity to use a heinous crime or senseless tragedy to push their agenda, do they?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And as if on cue, the Brady Bunch weighs in:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-helmke/giffords-shooting-is-amer_b_806254.html" rel="nofollow">Giffords Shooting Is an American Tragedy We Need to Urgently Address</a></p>
<p>The &amp;$#*% ghouls never miss an opportunity to use a heinous crime or senseless tragedy to push their agenda, do they?</p>
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