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		By: Beverly		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2011/01/08/eyewitness-testimony-to-giffords-shooting/#comment-214848</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Beverly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jan 2011 05:09:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;The Left’s desire is that we’ll be too oversexed and drugged to even care.&lt;/i&gt;

More Soma! (as always, Eric Blair pegged it)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The Left’s desire is that we’ll be too oversexed and drugged to even care.</i></p>
<p>More Soma! (as always, Eric Blair pegged it)</p>
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		By: Occam's Beard		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2011/01/08/eyewitness-testimony-to-giffords-shooting/#comment-214840</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Occam's Beard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jan 2011 04:46:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;And to compound his problems, he burns every friend he comes across, steals from his immediate family time and time again, and generally profiles as a VERY mental case.&lt;/i&gt;

So what district does he represent?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>And to compound his problems, he burns every friend he comes across, steals from his immediate family time and time again, and generally profiles as a VERY mental case.</i></p>
<p>So what district does he represent?</p>
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		By: blert		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[blert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jan 2011 22:11:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[My brother &#039;ran&#039; a half-way house in California a couple of years back...

The typical guy shunting through was dead in 24 months, regardless of age, by relapsing straight into the grave. The actual roll call of the dead was striking, well over 60%.

As you might imagine a hefty percentage had/have serious mental problems that drove their habits.

Meth is a mind destroyer, period.

Those able to kick it remain permanently damaged -- typically paranoid/ perpetually anxious.

Hence, I wouldn&#039;t be the least bit surprised to find out that this fellow was on a cocktail of meth/pot/booze. 

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ONE trait I&#039;ve seen common to the ex-meth heads I&#039;ve known is the persistent use of the right-hand lane of the freeway -- even when it makes zero sense and causes them to weave relentlessly past slower traffic. 

**** changed lanes over 80 times driving up from San Jose to SFO. Half of his time was spent staring at the rear view mirror in abject fear. Naturally, he was unable to hold any job at all. He &#039;lost&#039; the car to the cops by not registering it in his name: he&#039;d received it as a gift for nothing -- but it needed fresh tags. Estimated value at the time $3,500 bucks.

His prior automobile was his &#039;house&#039; and he destroyed its engine, they do need oil from time to time.

And to compound his problems, he burns every friend he comes across, steals from his immediate family time and time again, and generally profiles as a VERY mental case.

Yet, it is impossible to get him committed.

There are millions like **** out there.

Prison guards can tell you, most of their charges are mental cases/ incredibly stupid. It didn&#039;t take Columbo to bag them. Prison is a terrible place to treat mental illness.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My brother &#8216;ran&#8217; a half-way house in California a couple of years back&#8230;</p>
<p>The typical guy shunting through was dead in 24 months, regardless of age, by relapsing straight into the grave. The actual roll call of the dead was striking, well over 60%.</p>
<p>As you might imagine a hefty percentage had/have serious mental problems that drove their habits.</p>
<p>Meth is a mind destroyer, period.</p>
<p>Those able to kick it remain permanently damaged &#8212; typically paranoid/ perpetually anxious.</p>
<p>Hence, I wouldn&#8217;t be the least bit surprised to find out that this fellow was on a cocktail of meth/pot/booze. </p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>ONE trait I&#8217;ve seen common to the ex-meth heads I&#8217;ve known is the persistent use of the right-hand lane of the freeway &#8212; even when it makes zero sense and causes them to weave relentlessly past slower traffic. </p>
<p>**** changed lanes over 80 times driving up from San Jose to SFO. Half of his time was spent staring at the rear view mirror in abject fear. Naturally, he was unable to hold any job at all. He &#8216;lost&#8217; the car to the cops by not registering it in his name: he&#8217;d received it as a gift for nothing &#8212; but it needed fresh tags. Estimated value at the time $3,500 bucks.</p>
<p>His prior automobile was his &#8216;house&#8217; and he destroyed its engine, they do need oil from time to time.</p>
<p>And to compound his problems, he burns every friend he comes across, steals from his immediate family time and time again, and generally profiles as a VERY mental case.</p>
<p>Yet, it is impossible to get him committed.</p>
<p>There are millions like **** out there.</p>
<p>Prison guards can tell you, most of their charges are mental cases/ incredibly stupid. It didn&#8217;t take Columbo to bag them. Prison is a terrible place to treat mental illness.</p>
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		By: J.J. formerly Jimmy J.		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2011/01/08/eyewitness-testimony-to-giffords-shooting/#comment-214710</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[J.J. formerly Jimmy J.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jan 2011 19:11:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Byron York is contrasts the way the MSM treated the Maj Hasan shootings at Ft. Hood and teh way they are approaching this shooting. At Ft. Hood they &quot;could not jump to conclusions&quot; that there was a connection to Islam. In this case the connection to Palin and the TEA Party is widely and eagerly expressed. 
Read it  all here:
http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/2011/01/journalists-urged-caution-after-ft-hood-now-race-blame-palin-afte

(OT Yes, Occam&#039;s I was stationed at NAS Alameda -1963-68. One of my best tours of duty.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Byron York is contrasts the way the MSM treated the Maj Hasan shootings at Ft. Hood and teh way they are approaching this shooting. At Ft. Hood they &#8220;could not jump to conclusions&#8221; that there was a connection to Islam. In this case the connection to Palin and the TEA Party is widely and eagerly expressed.<br />
Read it  all here:<br />
<a href="http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/2011/01/journalists-urged-caution-after-ft-hood-now-race-blame-palin-afte" rel="nofollow ugc">http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/2011/01/journalists-urged-caution-after-ft-hood-now-race-blame-palin-afte</a></p>
<p>(OT Yes, Occam&#8217;s I was stationed at NAS Alameda -1963-68. One of my best tours of duty.)</p>
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		By: Occam's Beard		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2011/01/08/eyewitness-testimony-to-giffords-shooting/#comment-214709</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Occam's Beard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jan 2011 19:00:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;75% of the homeless are mentally disturbed or addicted. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

SF is struggling with a massive homelessness problem, and spends a fortune on shelters and other programs for the homeless, but characteristically fails to grasp the fundamental issue: most of the homeless are mentally ill, as you point out. 

Shelters and programs don&#039;t accomplish much for them because they won&#039;t accept the requisite restrictions on their behavior (e.g., no drugs or alcohol). They&#039;d rather live on the streets, and do whatever they want. SF&#039;s solution: provide &lt;i&gt;more&lt;/i&gt; for them.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>75% of the homeless are mentally disturbed or addicted. </p></blockquote>
<p>SF is struggling with a massive homelessness problem, and spends a fortune on shelters and other programs for the homeless, but characteristically fails to grasp the fundamental issue: most of the homeless are mentally ill, as you point out. </p>
<p>Shelters and programs don&#8217;t accomplish much for them because they won&#8217;t accept the requisite restrictions on their behavior (e.g., no drugs or alcohol). They&#8217;d rather live on the streets, and do whatever they want. SF&#8217;s solution: provide <i>more</i> for them.</p>
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		By: Occam's Beard		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2011/01/08/eyewitness-testimony-to-giffords-shooting/#comment-214706</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Occam's Beard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jan 2011 18:52:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[J.J., remember when the leftist slogan was &quot;care in the community?&quot; (It was the one before &quot;redlining,&quot; which led to the CRA and ultimately to our present predicament.)

It&#039;s things like this that make me wonder if leftists are simply and cynically trying to drop a monkey wrench in the works, an echo of neo&#039;s perennial fool or knave question.

(OT: I take it you were stationed at Alameda NAS? I learned to swim there as a boy. The Navy provided a launch that took a number of us kids from Hunter&#039;s Point across the bay to Alameda for swimming lessons during the summer. Fond memory!)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>J.J., remember when the leftist slogan was &#8220;care in the community?&#8221; (It was the one before &#8220;redlining,&#8221; which led to the CRA and ultimately to our present predicament.)</p>
<p>It&#8217;s things like this that make me wonder if leftists are simply and cynically trying to drop a monkey wrench in the works, an echo of neo&#8217;s perennial fool or knave question.</p>
<p>(OT: I take it you were stationed at Alameda NAS? I learned to swim there as a boy. The Navy provided a launch that took a number of us kids from Hunter&#8217;s Point across the bay to Alameda for swimming lessons during the summer. Fond memory!)</p>
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		By: expat		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2011/01/08/eyewitness-testimony-to-giffords-shooting/#comment-214704</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[expat]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jan 2011 18:48:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I just watched the German TV report: totally predictable.  Giffords is Jewish. Sarah Palin&#039;s targets were mentioned. Police are looking for an acccomplish. Shooter was a member of a right-wing radical group (hence the importance of Giffords&#039; religion). And the sheriff was pictured. 

I assume the reporter lives a rather cushy life in DC, but I could have done a better job from my sofa.

BTW, today, the Left had their yearly remembrance of Rosa Luxemburg and Karl Leibknecht. Thousand turned up.

Occam&#039;s, I remember some of the people in Philadelphia who were &quot;given their rights&quot; thanks to the ACLU et al. The self-righteous do-gooders didn&#039;t give a s**t about them, but then do-gooders rarely care about people caught in their grand schemes.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just watched the German TV report: totally predictable.  Giffords is Jewish. Sarah Palin&#8217;s targets were mentioned. Police are looking for an acccomplish. Shooter was a member of a right-wing radical group (hence the importance of Giffords&#8217; religion). And the sheriff was pictured. </p>
<p>I assume the reporter lives a rather cushy life in DC, but I could have done a better job from my sofa.</p>
<p>BTW, today, the Left had their yearly remembrance of Rosa Luxemburg and Karl Leibknecht. Thousand turned up.</p>
<p>Occam&#8217;s, I remember some of the people in Philadelphia who were &#8220;given their rights&#8221; thanks to the ACLU et al. The self-righteous do-gooders didn&#8217;t give a s**t about them, but then do-gooders rarely care about people caught in their grand schemes.</p>
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		By: J.J. formerly Jimmy J.		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2011/01/08/eyewitness-testimony-to-giffords-shooting/#comment-214703</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[J.J. formerly Jimmy J.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jan 2011 18:32:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Occam&#039;s, I was living in Alameda, CA when the California mental institutions were opened up. The wife of one of my co-workers was hospitalized and he was frantic because she was so unstable he knew she would end up living under a bridge. He managed to get her into an assisted living home where he paid for her therapy, meds, and living expenses. In spite of all he could do, she eventually committed suicide. 

The emptying of the mental institutions was a sad day for California and later, for the whole country.
75% of the homeless are mentally disturbed or addicted. Here in Seattle we have a large tent city of homeless. The garbage, crime, drug abuse, and nuisance factors around this &quot;home&quot; for the homeless ends up in constant moving of  the tents and inhabitants to new locations because of citizen complaints. No  one has gone on a shooting spree yet, but there are constant knifings, beatings, overdose hospitalizations, robberies, public indecencies, and more. 

I fail to see why homelessness is considered superior to institutions where these people are safe, well fed, and have at least some mental health care.  Yes, it costs money, but so do policing and ER visits. 

Rather than gun control, we need to figure out how to get these mentally disturbed people back into a better environment for them and the public in general.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Occam&#8217;s, I was living in Alameda, CA when the California mental institutions were opened up. The wife of one of my co-workers was hospitalized and he was frantic because she was so unstable he knew she would end up living under a bridge. He managed to get her into an assisted living home where he paid for her therapy, meds, and living expenses. In spite of all he could do, she eventually committed suicide. </p>
<p>The emptying of the mental institutions was a sad day for California and later, for the whole country.<br />
75% of the homeless are mentally disturbed or addicted. Here in Seattle we have a large tent city of homeless. The garbage, crime, drug abuse, and nuisance factors around this &#8220;home&#8221; for the homeless ends up in constant moving of  the tents and inhabitants to new locations because of citizen complaints. No  one has gone on a shooting spree yet, but there are constant knifings, beatings, overdose hospitalizations, robberies, public indecencies, and more. </p>
<p>I fail to see why homelessness is considered superior to institutions where these people are safe, well fed, and have at least some mental health care.  Yes, it costs money, but so do policing and ER visits. </p>
<p>Rather than gun control, we need to figure out how to get these mentally disturbed people back into a better environment for them and the public in general.</p>
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		By: Occam's Beard		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Occam's Beard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jan 2011 18:19:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The problem, Sergey, is how in effect to reverse a Supreme Court decision, which was based upon the Fourteenth Amendment. I see only two ways: changing the composition of the Court and then readjudicating the issue, or further amending the Constitution (which the Supreme Court, in these days of unfettered judicial activism, might nevertheless still throw out. Lawyers, is that true?)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem, Sergey, is how in effect to reverse a Supreme Court decision, which was based upon the Fourteenth Amendment. I see only two ways: changing the composition of the Court and then readjudicating the issue, or further amending the Constitution (which the Supreme Court, in these days of unfettered judicial activism, might nevertheless still throw out. Lawyers, is that true?)</p>
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		By: Sergey		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sergey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jan 2011 18:10:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[72 hours for psychiatric evaluation? Folks, get real. 14 days is a minimal period for this to accomplish. In some cases, even longer time is needed. These laws need to be changed. Every psychotic patient is a clear danger to himself and to the others. If not involuntary commitment, at least periodic monitoring of troubled persons by specialists is required. They should be obliged to come to ambulatory re-evaluaton once or twice a month, and failure to do so should be the reason for hospitalization.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>72 hours for psychiatric evaluation? Folks, get real. 14 days is a minimal period for this to accomplish. In some cases, even longer time is needed. These laws need to be changed. Every psychotic patient is a clear danger to himself and to the others. If not involuntary commitment, at least periodic monitoring of troubled persons by specialists is required. They should be obliged to come to ambulatory re-evaluaton once or twice a month, and failure to do so should be the reason for hospitalization.</p>
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