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		By: MT of Hollywood		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MT of Hollywood]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Apr 2011 06:08:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[oh my.  I just watched it and immediately googled &quot;hated Black Swan.&quot;  I saw quite a collection and, still, it did not make me feel better.  Then I remembered neoneo had written on it, for she loves dance, and I rushed over here to see - I was dreading it.  I feared neo loved it.  I feared I would lose neo for that because I disliked the film so very much.  But!  No!  Neo is my soul mate on matters political and cinematic!

I WAS SO RELIEVED.  Intelligence is solid on all matters when it is solid.  What is to love about this film or these characters?  Nothing.  Heavy handed drivel.  Hated it from the beginning for its MTV camera work:  do not linger on any face for longer than three seconds.  To compare it with Hitchcock is blasphemous.

I thought maybe Portman would do something in some scene besides furrow her forehead - but, alas.  the only relief in the film was when the bitch slipped her some drugs and her face relaxed a little.  Other than that, I saw no redeeming features.  Well I guess I could say that another redeeming feature was that Hershey did not have all that much screen time.  thank the lord - she and her sick daughter were painful to watch.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh my.  I just watched it and immediately googled &#8220;hated Black Swan.&#8221;  I saw quite a collection and, still, it did not make me feel better.  Then I remembered neoneo had written on it, for she loves dance, and I rushed over here to see &#8211; I was dreading it.  I feared neo loved it.  I feared I would lose neo for that because I disliked the film so very much.  But!  No!  Neo is my soul mate on matters political and cinematic!</p>
<p>I WAS SO RELIEVED.  Intelligence is solid on all matters when it is solid.  What is to love about this film or these characters?  Nothing.  Heavy handed drivel.  Hated it from the beginning for its MTV camera work:  do not linger on any face for longer than three seconds.  To compare it with Hitchcock is blasphemous.</p>
<p>I thought maybe Portman would do something in some scene besides furrow her forehead &#8211; but, alas.  the only relief in the film was when the bitch slipped her some drugs and her face relaxed a little.  Other than that, I saw no redeeming features.  Well I guess I could say that another redeeming feature was that Hershey did not have all that much screen time.  thank the lord &#8211; she and her sick daughter were painful to watch.</p>
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		By: IgotBupkis, President, United Anarchist Society		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[IgotBupkis, President, United Anarchist Society]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Mar 2011 05:51:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Note: I haven&#039;t seen the film. It looks to me as though it&#039;s one which will not suffer overmuch from waiting for it on video, much like &quot;The King&#039;s Speech&quot;. Movies cost way too much these days in terms of hours-enjoyed-vs-money-spent. I&#039;d rather buy a videogame and rent a movie later. Even a mediocre videogame provides 10-20 hrs for about twice the price of a 2-hr movie.

That codicil in mind:

&lt;blockquote&gt;It had Natalie Portman in it - that was enough reason for me not to see it. Using the term “actress” to describe her is overly generous. Talentless waif is a better one.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Sorry, I respectfully disagree. She&#039;s certainly picked some mediocre roles, and perhaps these have been at the heart of forming your opinion, but &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0110413/combined&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;I said back in 1994 that she was going to get an Oscar someday&lt;/a&gt;.

This certainly appeared to be a year for Oscars being awarded more for a body of work than the specific thing they were nominated for, to me. 

But the entire last decade has pretty much sucked, both for movies and for the AAwards. Quite the letdown from the 90s, which rivals the 40s as the best decade for great movies, and which kicked the a$$ of every other decade for Oscar &quot;perfection.&quot; (that is, I had no problem with any Oscar winner of  the 90s. In several cases I might not have chosen that movie as the winner, if it were solely up to me, but there was nothing that won that wasn&#039;t seriously deserving of the award against most other possible competition -- no decade &quot;got it right&quot; even close to how well the 90s got it).

Not to suggest that there haven&#039;t been any good movies at all since 1999. There&#039;ve been lots, but they&#039;re rarer than they were in the 90s: LotR Trilogy, The Incredibles, Snatch, Spiderman, Alice In Wonderland, a few others. Nothing like the 20-30 good pix a year that came through most of the 1990s.

The two best years: 1994 and 1999. Probably the best two single years in movie history.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Note: I haven&#8217;t seen the film. It looks to me as though it&#8217;s one which will not suffer overmuch from waiting for it on video, much like &#8220;The King&#8217;s Speech&#8221;. Movies cost way too much these days in terms of hours-enjoyed-vs-money-spent. I&#8217;d rather buy a videogame and rent a movie later. Even a mediocre videogame provides 10-20 hrs for about twice the price of a 2-hr movie.</p>
<p>That codicil in mind:</p>
<blockquote><p>It had Natalie Portman in it &#8211; that was enough reason for me not to see it. Using the term “actress” to describe her is overly generous. Talentless waif is a better one.</p></blockquote>
<p>Sorry, I respectfully disagree. She&#8217;s certainly picked some mediocre roles, and perhaps these have been at the heart of forming your opinion, but <a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0110413/combined" rel="nofollow">I said back in 1994 that she was going to get an Oscar someday</a>.</p>
<p>This certainly appeared to be a year for Oscars being awarded more for a body of work than the specific thing they were nominated for, to me. </p>
<p>But the entire last decade has pretty much sucked, both for movies and for the AAwards. Quite the letdown from the 90s, which rivals the 40s as the best decade for great movies, and which kicked the a$$ of every other decade for Oscar &#8220;perfection.&#8221; (that is, I had no problem with any Oscar winner of  the 90s. In several cases I might not have chosen that movie as the winner, if it were solely up to me, but there was nothing that won that wasn&#8217;t seriously deserving of the award against most other possible competition &#8212; no decade &#8220;got it right&#8221; even close to how well the 90s got it).</p>
<p>Not to suggest that there haven&#8217;t been any good movies at all since 1999. There&#8217;ve been lots, but they&#8217;re rarer than they were in the 90s: LotR Trilogy, The Incredibles, Snatch, Spiderman, Alice In Wonderland, a few others. Nothing like the 20-30 good pix a year that came through most of the 1990s.</p>
<p>The two best years: 1994 and 1999. Probably the best two single years in movie history.</p>
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		By: babka		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Mar 2011 17:10:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[resonance - 9th line from the bottom

Anonyma: are you flocking here to show your ignorance of my meaning?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>resonance &#8211; 9th line from the bottom</p>
<p>Anonyma: are you flocking here to show your ignorance of my meaning?</p>
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		By: babka		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[babka]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Mar 2011 17:09:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[as a Russian Jew in The Business, my comments about Jewish actresses in a business whose origins featured Jewish men might best be understood by other actors who have been turned down for their &quot;ethnic&quot; looks. Judy Holiday, begging for a role, was told something to the effect that Jews made movies, and that nice Jewish girls didn&#039;t belong on film. But I digress. Saw the film. Portman acts as though she has sprained her neck, and is trying to be tall, and brave through the continual pain. (which I was in, watching). Liked Mila, the character and the actress.Hated the script. Kitchen sink something for every demographic, especially the guy in the raincoat, jerking off to the balletic score. don&#039;t find Millipied attractive, as a man, as a dancer, and as a very boring choreographer. only thing that had resonane for me was the Rapunzel/Stockholm Syndrome mother-daughter bondage, and suicide as &quot;perfection&quot;. In terms of John Gardner&#039;s rule for fiction (equivalent to the physician&#039;s &quot;first do no harm&quot;) - I think this film is part of the problem of our time. It is all dark side...even when the stuffed bunnies go into the incinerator.  And poor Barbara Hershey and her post facelift crooked mouth...but who would turn down such a film? Eliciting in toto the Mad Magazine expletive:  ECCCCCHHHH.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>as a Russian Jew in The Business, my comments about Jewish actresses in a business whose origins featured Jewish men might best be understood by other actors who have been turned down for their &#8220;ethnic&#8221; looks. Judy Holiday, begging for a role, was told something to the effect that Jews made movies, and that nice Jewish girls didn&#8217;t belong on film. But I digress. Saw the film. Portman acts as though she has sprained her neck, and is trying to be tall, and brave through the continual pain. (which I was in, watching). Liked Mila, the character and the actress.Hated the script. Kitchen sink something for every demographic, especially the guy in the raincoat, jerking off to the balletic score. don&#8217;t find Millipied attractive, as a man, as a dancer, and as a very boring choreographer. only thing that had resonane for me was the Rapunzel/Stockholm Syndrome mother-daughter bondage, and suicide as &#8220;perfection&#8221;. In terms of John Gardner&#8217;s rule for fiction (equivalent to the physician&#8217;s &#8220;first do no harm&#8221;) &#8211; I think this film is part of the problem of our time. It is all dark side&#8230;even when the stuffed bunnies go into the incinerator.  And poor Barbara Hershey and her post facelift crooked mouth&#8230;but who would turn down such a film? Eliciting in toto the Mad Magazine expletive:  ECCCCCHHHH.</p>
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		By: She won! &#171; Ð¡ÐºÑ€Ð¸Ð¿ÑƒÑ‡Ð°Ñ Ð±ÐµÑÐµÐ´ÐºÐ°		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[She won! &#171; Ð¡ÐºÑ€Ð¸Ð¿ÑƒÑ‡Ð°Ñ Ð±ÐµÑÐµÐ´ÐºÐ°]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Feb 2011 14:48:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] she&#8217;ll not get her due. Yes, Oscar was her due, for a beautiful, outstanding work &#8211; I knew it right after I saw the film. And her acceptance speech was good, too. She didn&#8217;t thank God, [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] she&#8217;ll not get her due. Yes, Oscar was her due, for a beautiful, outstanding work &#8211; I knew it right after I saw the film. And her acceptance speech was good, too. She didn&#8217;t thank God, [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo-neocon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Jan 2011 18:28:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[tonestaple:  I&#039;m with you on the &quot;overwrought and overworked.&quot;

Not really &quot;deliciously,&quot; though.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tonestaple:  I&#8217;m with you on the &#8220;overwrought and overworked.&#8221;</p>
<p>Not really &#8220;deliciously,&#8221; though.</p>
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		By: Tonestaple		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tonestaple]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Jan 2011 18:15:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[My sister dubbed this movie &quot;When Ballerinas Attack.&quot;  I won&#039;t be seeing this in the theater but I will definitely get it from Netflix when the DVD comes out.  It sounds deliciously overwrought and overworked.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My sister dubbed this movie &#8220;When Ballerinas Attack.&#8221;  I won&#8217;t be seeing this in the theater but I will definitely get it from Netflix when the DVD comes out.  It sounds deliciously overwrought and overworked.</p>
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		By: Cheesy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cheesy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Jan 2011 17:26:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Guy has a pet millipede.
Says, &quot;I&#039;m going out, wanna come along?
No answer.
Repeats the question.
Still no answer.
&quot;Well, I&#039;m going to go myself then.&quot;
&quot;Jeez, can you be patient, I&#039;m putting on my shoes!&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guy has a pet millipede.<br />
Says, &#8220;I&#8217;m going out, wanna come along?<br />
No answer.<br />
Repeats the question.<br />
Still no answer.<br />
&#8220;Well, I&#8217;m going to go myself then.&#8221;<br />
&#8220;Jeez, can you be patient, I&#8217;m putting on my shoes!&#8221;</p>
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		By: Anonyma		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonyma]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jan 2011 21:41:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Tatyana prattled: &quot;I am proud that two actresses in the film (Natalie and Mila) that truly offered an incredible performance, are of the same origin as I am. There was really such a contrast with wooden, robotic the rest of the cast.&quot;

The same origin? You mean from a woman&#039;s womb?

babka burbled: &quot;She interests me, as she is one of the few non-gutsy (Streisand, Renee Taylor, Lainie Kazan, Debra Win ger, Madeline Kahn)but fragile Jewish women allowed to “star” in films, note the cynical casting of Wynona Ryder, her fallen predecessor.&quot;

Interesting, Babs and Tats are both prejudiced people of some sort, checking and counting origins and awarding special attention to their origin-alikes amongst us humans.

I wonder if they are the same commentor or if they are birds of a very dark feather flocking here to display their prejudices?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tatyana prattled: &#8220;I am proud that two actresses in the film (Natalie and Mila) that truly offered an incredible performance, are of the same origin as I am. There was really such a contrast with wooden, robotic the rest of the cast.&#8221;</p>
<p>The same origin? You mean from a woman&#8217;s womb?</p>
<p>babka burbled: &#8220;She interests me, as she is one of the few non-gutsy (Streisand, Renee Taylor, Lainie Kazan, Debra Win ger, Madeline Kahn)but fragile Jewish women allowed to “star” in films, note the cynical casting of Wynona Ryder, her fallen predecessor.&#8221;</p>
<p>Interesting, Babs and Tats are both prejudiced people of some sort, checking and counting origins and awarding special attention to their origin-alikes amongst us humans.</p>
<p>I wonder if they are the same commentor or if they are birds of a very dark feather flocking here to display their prejudices?</p>
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		By: babka		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[babka]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Jan 2011 16:18:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[this from jim hensen&#039;s scanners blog: 

 Please Make Her Head Explode Award: Natalie Portman, who manages to maintain the same expression on her face (fear, distress, about-to-cry) up until the last few minutes of &quot;Black Swan&quot; (Darren Aronofsky), when her one-note performance finally becomes a one and one-thirty-second-note performance.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this from jim hensen&#8217;s scanners blog: </p>
<p> Please Make Her Head Explode Award: Natalie Portman, who manages to maintain the same expression on her face (fear, distress, about-to-cry) up until the last few minutes of &#8220;Black Swan&#8221; (Darren Aronofsky), when her one-note performance finally becomes a one and one-thirty-second-note performance.</p>
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