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		By: Brad		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/12/18/the-dream-act-dies-for-now/#comment-209666</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brad]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Dec 2010 14:04:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Artfldgr:

Despite their length , your posts usually have some good information in them.]]></description>
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<p>Despite their length , your posts usually have some good information in them.</p>
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		By: Brad		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/12/18/the-dream-act-dies-for-now/#comment-209665</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brad]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Dec 2010 14:03:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ll look into this and report back, Beverly.

Sometimes these things pan out, some times they are just wild rumors and exaggerations of laws. Don&#039;t get me wrong: both sides do it, and honestly, it wouldn&#039;t surprise me if I find that what you said is totally true. The appropriations process has been abused in major ways since long before I was born.

If they have indeed &quot;seized control&quot; of gardening, then I think a SCOTUS challenge is in order. Every now and then SCOTUS comes down on the side of liberty.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll look into this and report back, Beverly.</p>
<p>Sometimes these things pan out, some times they are just wild rumors and exaggerations of laws. Don&#8217;t get me wrong: both sides do it, and honestly, it wouldn&#8217;t surprise me if I find that what you said is totally true. The appropriations process has been abused in major ways since long before I was born.</p>
<p>If they have indeed &#8220;seized control&#8221; of gardening, then I think a SCOTUS challenge is in order. Every now and then SCOTUS comes down on the side of liberty.</p>
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		By: Artfldgr		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/12/18/the-dream-act-dies-for-now/#comment-209664</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Dec 2010 13:58:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[i heard of it... and if you read the law that i put up, the dream act is embedded in it...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i heard of it&#8230; and if you read the law that i put up, the dream act is embedded in it&#8230;</p>
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		By: Beverly		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/12/18/the-dream-act-dies-for-now/#comment-209648</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Dec 2010 08:06:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s like the EPA seizing control of everything under the sun that emits carbon freaking dioxide.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s like the EPA seizing control of everything under the sun that emits carbon freaking dioxide.</p>
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		By: Beverly		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/12/18/the-dream-act-dies-for-now/#comment-209646</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Beverly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Dec 2010 08:05:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[One of our cohort, Subotai, has posted this latest enormity at another blog: 

&lt;i&gt;S. 510, the FDA Food Safety Modernization Act; &lt;b&gt;which gives the Federal government absolute authority over all food-growing, &lt;/b&gt;down to home gardens [with reams of regulations and fines if you offend the bureaucrats] was dead, dammit. It was attached to the Democrats’ last ditch attempt to lock in their wasteful spending, and when Harry Reid had to pull the Omnibus resolution, it died.

Since the Democrats [keep in mind that they have a majority in both Houses until January, and you can&#039;t filibuster the budget] had decided not to bother putting a budget together for the fiscal year that started ….. almost 3 months ago, we needed another Continuing Resolution to hold things together until the adults take over the House in January and we put together a real budget. You know, that thing that is the primary duty of Congress under Article I, Section 9, Clause 7 of the Constitution.

The Democrats attached the seizure of control of all food growing to the Continuing Resolution, and the gou3 cao4 de5, jing1chang2 mei2 yong4duh5, dai1ruo4mu4ji1, short bus window lickers that are pleased to call themselves the Senate Republican “Leadership” failed to notice and passed it by &lt;b&gt;unanimous-freaking-consent.&lt;/b&gt; &lt;/i&gt;

Anyone else hear about this latest GINORMOUS power-grab?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of our cohort, Subotai, has posted this latest enormity at another blog: </p>
<p><i>S. 510, the FDA Food Safety Modernization Act; <b>which gives the Federal government absolute authority over all food-growing, </b>down to home gardens [with reams of regulations and fines if you offend the bureaucrats] was dead, dammit. It was attached to the Democrats’ last ditch attempt to lock in their wasteful spending, and when Harry Reid had to pull the Omnibus resolution, it died.</p>
<p>Since the Democrats [keep in mind that they have a majority in both Houses until January, and you can&#8217;t filibuster the budget] had decided not to bother putting a budget together for the fiscal year that started ….. almost 3 months ago, we needed another Continuing Resolution to hold things together until the adults take over the House in January and we put together a real budget. You know, that thing that is the primary duty of Congress under Article I, Section 9, Clause 7 of the Constitution.</p>
<p>The Democrats attached the seizure of control of all food growing to the Continuing Resolution, and the gou3 cao4 de5, jing1chang2 mei2 yong4duh5, dai1ruo4mu4ji1, short bus window lickers that are pleased to call themselves the Senate Republican “Leadership” failed to notice and passed it by <b>unanimous-freaking-consent.</b> </i></p>
<p>Anyone else hear about this latest GINORMOUS power-grab?</p>
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		By: Beverly		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/12/18/the-dream-act-dies-for-now/#comment-209645</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Beverly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Dec 2010 08:02:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The Demwits have nixed/outlawed the recitation of the Pledge of Allegiance in classrooms for some three decades, as far as I know (since it refers to the Almighty, it gets the atheists&#039; boxers in a wad), and because the Demwits have decreed that all patriotism is &quot;jingoistic,&quot; macho, and annoying, they similarly rain cold water on singing the National Anthem . . .  Well, I just don&#039;t know what this particular jackass is talking about. Has he even entered a public school in the last thirty years?

Illegal = criminal.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Demwits have nixed/outlawed the recitation of the Pledge of Allegiance in classrooms for some three decades, as far as I know (since it refers to the Almighty, it gets the atheists&#8217; boxers in a wad), and because the Demwits have decreed that all patriotism is &#8220;jingoistic,&#8221; macho, and annoying, they similarly rain cold water on singing the National Anthem . . .  Well, I just don&#8217;t know what this particular jackass is talking about. Has he even entered a public school in the last thirty years?</p>
<p>Illegal = criminal.</p>
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		By: Tom		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/12/18/the-dream-act-dies-for-now/#comment-209607</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Dec 2010 03:49:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks for making that clear to me, jms. Had no idea of the college angle. Wow.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for making that clear to me, jms. Had no idea of the college angle. Wow.</p>
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		By: Artfldgr		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/12/18/the-dream-act-dies-for-now/#comment-209599</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Dec 2010 01:36:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[H.R.5281
Latest Title: Removal Clarification Act of 2010]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>H.R.5281<br />
Latest Title: Removal Clarification Act of 2010</p>
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		By: jms		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/12/18/the-dream-act-dies-for-now/#comment-209558</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Dec 2010 19:17:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If the DREAM act is really dead, than we just dodged a bullet.  

Why?  Because it tied obtaining U.S. citizenship to attending college.

Our country has been through this before, and it virtually destroyed our higher education system.  During the Vietnam war, the primary method of getting out of the draft was to enroll in college.  The intent may have been noble -- why tear a college student out of their studies to put them in uniform -- but the unintended side effect was to turn our colleges and universities into sanctuaries for draft dodgers.  The result was that colleges and universities became ground zero for the radicalization of young people in the United States.  Curriculum was dumbed down enough to allow people who had no business academically even being in college to slouch through four or five years of draft avoidance, taking courses specifically designed to radicalize them.  And even after the war, the worst of the student radicals stayed on and became the next generation of faculty.  

The left is itching at the chance to do it all over again.  Their dream is to become the new gatekeepers to U.S. citizenship.  Under the DREAM act, millions of uneducated illegal aliens would have flooded the college and university system.  These would be &quot;students&quot; with sub-high school educations, many or most of whom could not speak English.   They could never survive in a regular school curriculum.  Our colleges and universities would be forced to create a new &quot;DREAM&quot; curriculum to process them through for their minimum two years necessary to qualify for citizenship.  These classes would by necessity be segregated from the regular students, and probably have to be taught in Spanish.  These students would be at the ideological mercy of their &quot;instructors.&quot;  Have no illusion, under such a system &quot;students&quot; with an affinity for socialism and grievance politics would have no problem passing their classes, regardless of their ability to read, write or think, while those &quot;students&quot; expressing conservative views would tragically fail to meet the academic standards of the, ahem, university. 

The last thing this country needs is to flood our colleges and universities with illegal aliens.  This is the same ideological mischief that the left engaged in during the 1960s and 1970s and if we have stopped it then we have dodged a bullet.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the DREAM act is really dead, than we just dodged a bullet.  </p>
<p>Why?  Because it tied obtaining U.S. citizenship to attending college.</p>
<p>Our country has been through this before, and it virtually destroyed our higher education system.  During the Vietnam war, the primary method of getting out of the draft was to enroll in college.  The intent may have been noble &#8212; why tear a college student out of their studies to put them in uniform &#8212; but the unintended side effect was to turn our colleges and universities into sanctuaries for draft dodgers.  The result was that colleges and universities became ground zero for the radicalization of young people in the United States.  Curriculum was dumbed down enough to allow people who had no business academically even being in college to slouch through four or five years of draft avoidance, taking courses specifically designed to radicalize them.  And even after the war, the worst of the student radicals stayed on and became the next generation of faculty.  </p>
<p>The left is itching at the chance to do it all over again.  Their dream is to become the new gatekeepers to U.S. citizenship.  Under the DREAM act, millions of uneducated illegal aliens would have flooded the college and university system.  These would be &#8220;students&#8221; with sub-high school educations, many or most of whom could not speak English.   They could never survive in a regular school curriculum.  Our colleges and universities would be forced to create a new &#8220;DREAM&#8221; curriculum to process them through for their minimum two years necessary to qualify for citizenship.  These classes would by necessity be segregated from the regular students, and probably have to be taught in Spanish.  These students would be at the ideological mercy of their &#8220;instructors.&#8221;  Have no illusion, under such a system &#8220;students&#8221; with an affinity for socialism and grievance politics would have no problem passing their classes, regardless of their ability to read, write or think, while those &#8220;students&#8221; expressing conservative views would tragically fail to meet the academic standards of the, ahem, university. </p>
<p>The last thing this country needs is to flood our colleges and universities with illegal aliens.  This is the same ideological mischief that the left engaged in during the 1960s and 1970s and if we have stopped it then we have dodged a bullet.</p>
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		By: foxmarks		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/12/18/the-dream-act-dies-for-now/#comment-209557</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Dec 2010 19:12:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[One who knowingly commits an illegal act is a criminal. The people in question are criminal aliens. Or alien criminals.

Why use language that denies their moral agency? It feels nicer, and classes them as victims deserving of “justice”.

Only those younger than the age of reason can be properly described with the passive term “illegal”.

It is also unclear if the people are “immigrants”. Most such people I know are not in the USA permanently. They’re working to earn enough to go back home and live in decent conditions instead of poverty.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One who knowingly commits an illegal act is a criminal. The people in question are criminal aliens. Or alien criminals.</p>
<p>Why use language that denies their moral agency? It feels nicer, and classes them as victims deserving of “justice”.</p>
<p>Only those younger than the age of reason can be properly described with the passive term “illegal”.</p>
<p>It is also unclear if the people are “immigrants”. Most such people I know are not in the USA permanently. They’re working to earn enough to go back home and live in decent conditions instead of poverty.</p>
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