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		By: Yackums		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/12/08/obama-and-the-art-of-negotiation/#comment-207583</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Dec 2010 15:43:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Does it occur to anyone that Sarah Palin, as evidenced by her dealings with the oil companies in Alaska, has negotiation skills in spades?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does it occur to anyone that Sarah Palin, as evidenced by her dealings with the oil companies in Alaska, has negotiation skills in spades?</p>
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		By: Hangtown Bob		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/12/08/obama-and-the-art-of-negotiation/#comment-207167</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hangtown Bob]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Dec 2010 14:38:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[When you are all-knowing and all-powerful, why would you even think about negotiating?

Remember..........      &quot;I WON!&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When you are all-knowing and all-powerful, why would you even think about negotiating?</p>
<p>Remember&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.      &#8220;I WON!&#8221;</p>
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		By: Tom		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/12/08/obama-and-the-art-of-negotiation/#comment-206988</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Dec 2010 19:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Aw shucks, D-i-B, he went to school just a few miles from you, so you know he&#039;s smart. Misundereducated, though.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aw shucks, D-i-B, he went to school just a few miles from you, so you know he&#8217;s smart. Misundereducated, though.</p>
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		By: Daniel in Brookline		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/12/08/obama-and-the-art-of-negotiation/#comment-206968</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Daniel in Brookline]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Dec 2010 18:32:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;On a side note, we keep hearing how penetratingly intelligent he is—where’s the evidence? &lt;/i&gt;

This brings us back to Neo&#039;s original comment:

&lt;i&gt;Ever since Obama has become president, people have been giving him advice. It’s an odd phenomenon, as though they consider him a kid brother who needs a bit of assistance out in the big bad world.&lt;/i&gt;

Does that seem like a contradiction to anyone else?  He&#039;s the smartest president ever, we&#039;re told, but he needs our constant guidance.  He&#039;s The One who will save us all, but editorial writers across the nation think he can&#039;t do it without their advice.

I suspect that many hard-core liberals know, in their hearts, that he &lt;i&gt;does&lt;/i&gt; need the help, in spite of their claims that his lack of experience didn&#039;t matter, and that his high intelligence didn&#039;t need proof.  The internal contradiction there must be difficult for some people to take.

Must &lt;i&gt;have been&lt;/i&gt; difficult, perhaps I should say... because it seems that many people, across the nation, are coming to their senses.  Barack Obama has routinely betrayed anyone who stood in his way; it was only a matter of time before his core supporters were thrown under the bus too.  (And not only did he cave to Republicans on tax-cut extensions, he had the temerity to &lt;i&gt;lecture&lt;/i&gt; Democrats about it!  Insult added to injury.)

It&#039;s possible that President Obama will pull things together between now and 2012, but frankly I don&#039;t see it.  I don&#039;t see him governing from the center with any success or sincerity, and I don&#039;t see his supporters forgetting his betrayals of what he said they were voting for.

And I don&#039;t see him doing what needs to be done.  The American people are tired of being called racists, or being told that Bush/Rush/Fox/etc. is to blame for everything -- but Obama continues to use those tricks, because they&#039;re all he knows.  What we need is a President who can &lt;i&gt;govern&lt;/i&gt;... and it&#039;s become clear to all by now that President Obama doesn&#039;t know how.  So how smart &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; he, really?

respectfully,
Daniel in Brookline]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>On a side note, we keep hearing how penetratingly intelligent he is—where’s the evidence? </i></p>
<p>This brings us back to Neo&#8217;s original comment:</p>
<p><i>Ever since Obama has become president, people have been giving him advice. It’s an odd phenomenon, as though they consider him a kid brother who needs a bit of assistance out in the big bad world.</i></p>
<p>Does that seem like a contradiction to anyone else?  He&#8217;s the smartest president ever, we&#8217;re told, but he needs our constant guidance.  He&#8217;s The One who will save us all, but editorial writers across the nation think he can&#8217;t do it without their advice.</p>
<p>I suspect that many hard-core liberals know, in their hearts, that he <i>does</i> need the help, in spite of their claims that his lack of experience didn&#8217;t matter, and that his high intelligence didn&#8217;t need proof.  The internal contradiction there must be difficult for some people to take.</p>
<p>Must <i>have been</i> difficult, perhaps I should say&#8230; because it seems that many people, across the nation, are coming to their senses.  Barack Obama has routinely betrayed anyone who stood in his way; it was only a matter of time before his core supporters were thrown under the bus too.  (And not only did he cave to Republicans on tax-cut extensions, he had the temerity to <i>lecture</i> Democrats about it!  Insult added to injury.)</p>
<p>It&#8217;s possible that President Obama will pull things together between now and 2012, but frankly I don&#8217;t see it.  I don&#8217;t see him governing from the center with any success or sincerity, and I don&#8217;t see his supporters forgetting his betrayals of what he said they were voting for.</p>
<p>And I don&#8217;t see him doing what needs to be done.  The American people are tired of being called racists, or being told that Bush/Rush/Fox/etc. is to blame for everything &#8212; but Obama continues to use those tricks, because they&#8217;re all he knows.  What we need is a President who can <i>govern</i>&#8230; and it&#8217;s become clear to all by now that President Obama doesn&#8217;t know how.  So how smart <i>is</i> he, really?</p>
<p>respectfully,<br />
Daniel in Brookline</p>
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		By: T		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Dec 2010 15:51:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		By: T		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/12/08/obama-and-the-art-of-negotiation/#comment-206923</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Dec 2010 15:49:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Above, Alex Bensky (7:11) wrote:

&quot;  . . but that he’s a rare intellect? I am not saying he isn’t but I don’t see it.&quot;

I would offer that the evidence to date indicates that he&#039;s simply NOT that smart.

For someone who&#039;s supposed ot be so worldly he refers to the Austrian language, cites an incorrect U.S. motto, bows incorrectly to foreign leaders (and even to an Asian-American citzen).  He presents himself as a student of history and consistently makes the kind of gross historical errors one expects of an uninformed high school student.

He publicly and intentionally refers to his political opponents (American citizens all) in  terms that you would only expect to hear at an unguarded moment on an unknown live microphone (enemies and hostage-takers).  He ignores the primary problems of his term (the economy and job creation) to ram health-care down the throats of an unwilling public, and the list goes on.

Not only is evidence for his &quot;superior intelligence&quot; lacking,  I would submit that the evidence point to a rather mediocre intelligence which is notoriously uninformed.


These are simply NOT the actions one can expect from an intelligent]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Above, Alex Bensky (7:11) wrote:</p>
<p>&#8221;  . . but that he’s a rare intellect? I am not saying he isn’t but I don’t see it.&#8221;</p>
<p>I would offer that the evidence to date indicates that he&#8217;s simply NOT that smart.</p>
<p>For someone who&#8217;s supposed ot be so worldly he refers to the Austrian language, cites an incorrect U.S. motto, bows incorrectly to foreign leaders (and even to an Asian-American citzen).  He presents himself as a student of history and consistently makes the kind of gross historical errors one expects of an uninformed high school student.</p>
<p>He publicly and intentionally refers to his political opponents (American citizens all) in  terms that you would only expect to hear at an unguarded moment on an unknown live microphone (enemies and hostage-takers).  He ignores the primary problems of his term (the economy and job creation) to ram health-care down the throats of an unwilling public, and the list goes on.</p>
<p>Not only is evidence for his &#8220;superior intelligence&#8221; lacking,  I would submit that the evidence point to a rather mediocre intelligence which is notoriously uninformed.</p>
<p>These are simply NOT the actions one can expect from an intelligent</p>
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		By: Libby		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Dec 2010 15:00:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[With the exception of the Harvard Law Review, Obama has never held a leadership position where he had to manage others and was responsible for the outcome. This is why we never heard about his accomplishments during his presidential run. All we&#039;ve heard about is his job titles, his personal achievements (as is &quot;He got elected&quot;), not his accomplishments in a particular job. For example, what did he accomplish for the community as a community organizer? What did he accomplish with the distribution of the education funds for the Chicago Annenberg Challenge? What legislation did he spearhead in the Chicago Senate? And I agree with RickZ - what proof is there of his intelligence?

In fact, he has a history of choosing not to choose when it comes to tough decisions (voting &quot;present&quot;, blaming others for mistakes) as well as winning be eliminating opponents before the election. Why on earth would we expect him to suddenly learn leadership skills, such as negotiation, being decisive, seeking out and heeding the advice of expert advisers?

The Left depicted Reagan as just a dumb actor, but as you pointed out, he had leadership experience with the Screen Actors Guild and a Governor.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With the exception of the Harvard Law Review, Obama has never held a leadership position where he had to manage others and was responsible for the outcome. This is why we never heard about his accomplishments during his presidential run. All we&#8217;ve heard about is his job titles, his personal achievements (as is &#8220;He got elected&#8221;), not his accomplishments in a particular job. For example, what did he accomplish for the community as a community organizer? What did he accomplish with the distribution of the education funds for the Chicago Annenberg Challenge? What legislation did he spearhead in the Chicago Senate? And I agree with RickZ &#8211; what proof is there of his intelligence?</p>
<p>In fact, he has a history of choosing not to choose when it comes to tough decisions (voting &#8220;present&#8221;, blaming others for mistakes) as well as winning be eliminating opponents before the election. Why on earth would we expect him to suddenly learn leadership skills, such as negotiation, being decisive, seeking out and heeding the advice of expert advisers?</p>
<p>The Left depicted Reagan as just a dumb actor, but as you pointed out, he had leadership experience with the Screen Actors Guild and a Governor.</p>
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		By: Alex Bensky		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alex Bensky]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Dec 2010 12:11:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think many of the posters above had put their fingers on an important part of the situation--Obama has all his life been told how smart he is, how insightful, etc., and he&#039;s come to believe it. Most of us would, too, under the same circumstances. Valerie Jarrett&#039;s embarrassingly fulsome remarks about how Obama is really just too smart for the rest of us and he&#039;s bored by the stuff that the rest of us have to deal with is typical. If I&#039;d spent my life hearing that sort of thing I&#039;d come around to accepting it. (No one has.)

On a side note, we keep hearing how penetratingly intelligent he is--where&#039;s the evidence? He&#039;s clearly a bright guy but that he&#039;s a rare intellect? I am not saying he isn&#039;t but I don&#039;t see it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think many of the posters above had put their fingers on an important part of the situation&#8211;Obama has all his life been told how smart he is, how insightful, etc., and he&#8217;s come to believe it. Most of us would, too, under the same circumstances. Valerie Jarrett&#8217;s embarrassingly fulsome remarks about how Obama is really just too smart for the rest of us and he&#8217;s bored by the stuff that the rest of us have to deal with is typical. If I&#8217;d spent my life hearing that sort of thing I&#8217;d come around to accepting it. (No one has.)</p>
<p>On a side note, we keep hearing how penetratingly intelligent he is&#8211;where&#8217;s the evidence? He&#8217;s clearly a bright guy but that he&#8217;s a rare intellect? I am not saying he isn&#8217;t but I don&#8217;t see it.</p>
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		By: RickZ		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Dec 2010 08:28:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Promethea Says: 
2. I saw a brief clip of Obama on “Mythbusters” introducing the myth/or not of destroying an enemy fleet using solar reflectors. I can’t stand the man, so I switched to a show on top snipers and how they kill terrorists and other evil creatures. My question is: WHY did Obama appear on this show? 
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Adam Savage is a big-time San Fran lib.  He gave money to Duh Won&#039;s campaign.  So one might call Obie&#039;s appearance on the show a &lt;i&gt;quid pro quo&lt;/i&gt;.

http://www.newsmeat.com/celebrity_political_donations/Adam_Savage.php]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Promethea Says:<br />
2. I saw a brief clip of Obama on “Mythbusters” introducing the myth/or not of destroying an enemy fleet using solar reflectors. I can’t stand the man, so I switched to a show on top snipers and how they kill terrorists and other evil creatures. My question is: WHY did Obama appear on this show?
</p></blockquote>
<p>Adam Savage is a big-time San Fran lib.  He gave money to Duh Won&#8217;s campaign.  So one might call Obie&#8217;s appearance on the show a <i>quid pro quo</i>.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.newsmeat.com/celebrity_political_donations/Adam_Savage.php" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.newsmeat.com/celebrity_political_donations/Adam_Savage.php</a></p>
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		By: Paul_In_Houston		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Dec 2010 04:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;the ability to make a decision without dithering unduly,&lt;/i&gt;

&quot;One mark of a good officer was the ability to make quick decisions. If they turned out to be &lt;i&gt;right&lt;/i&gt;, so much the better.&quot;
~Larry Niven - &lt;i&gt;&quot;Ringworld&quot;&lt;/i&gt;
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>the ability to make a decision without dithering unduly,</i></p>
<p>&#8220;One mark of a good officer was the ability to make quick decisions. If they turned out to be <i>right</i>, so much the better.&#8221;<br />
~Larry Niven &#8211; <i>&#8220;Ringworld&#8221;</i><br />
&#8211;</p>
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