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	Comments on: Juan Williams, the process of political change, and breaking the liberal trance	</title>
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		By: strcpy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[strcpy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Nov 2010 04:05:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Daniel in Brookline:

One of the more amusing (to mind at least) match of wits that I engaged with a leftist was over my handle - specifically that strcpy was not a safe operation and one should use some other function (I do not recall which of the ones that would work that he chose).

My response was that as a conservative I was quite capable of taking care of my own bounds checking and it was just like a liberal to want to put his safety in the hands of someone other than selves. Further that that idea also assumed that ultimately that other person was better than you too - I&#039;m a programmer, if I can&#039;t check bounds on an array I do not need to be programming. This ends up in a feedback loop if everyone thinks this and nothing gets done (and is really an issue in some models - each side defers to the other to &quot;do things right&quot; and no one does - all assuming the other side has taken care of the problems).

He quit the conversation at that point - I didn&#039;t and being the Evil Conservative pressed it :)

With respect to production software strcpy isn&#039;t used by me either - but then that has nothing to do with why I chose my name. His making it so opened it up to a battle of wits and extrapolations that make little real sense. I *can* do those existential mental masturbations - I just see them for what they are. He went into the battle with no armaments against a well armed opponent :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daniel in Brookline:</p>
<p>One of the more amusing (to mind at least) match of wits that I engaged with a leftist was over my handle &#8211; specifically that strcpy was not a safe operation and one should use some other function (I do not recall which of the ones that would work that he chose).</p>
<p>My response was that as a conservative I was quite capable of taking care of my own bounds checking and it was just like a liberal to want to put his safety in the hands of someone other than selves. Further that that idea also assumed that ultimately that other person was better than you too &#8211; I&#8217;m a programmer, if I can&#8217;t check bounds on an array I do not need to be programming. This ends up in a feedback loop if everyone thinks this and nothing gets done (and is really an issue in some models &#8211; each side defers to the other to &#8220;do things right&#8221; and no one does &#8211; all assuming the other side has taken care of the problems).</p>
<p>He quit the conversation at that point &#8211; I didn&#8217;t and being the Evil Conservative pressed it 🙂</p>
<p>With respect to production software strcpy isn&#8217;t used by me either &#8211; but then that has nothing to do with why I chose my name. His making it so opened it up to a battle of wits and extrapolations that make little real sense. I *can* do those existential mental masturbations &#8211; I just see them for what they are. He went into the battle with no armaments against a well armed opponent 🙂</p>
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		By: Artfldgr		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Nov 2010 20:06:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Curtis... 
so i guess you went into those NLP posts... Neuro linguistics, etc...    i forgot which thread i mentioned them in...   :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Curtis&#8230;<br />
so i guess you went into those NLP posts&#8230; Neuro linguistics, etc&#8230;    i forgot which thread i mentioned them in&#8230;   🙂</p>
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		By: Tatyana		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tatyana]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Nov 2010 19:38:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Gringo: the contest is for federal building in LA. No, I don&#039;t doubt the bureaucrats are dozing off in their offices, but suspect they wouldn&#039;t appreciate the sidewalk suggestion.
 SteveH - if only you&#039;d met the Editor, as I did - creepy and humorous is bull&#039;s eye, reinforced by personal impression...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gringo: the contest is for federal building in LA. No, I don&#8217;t doubt the bureaucrats are dozing off in their offices, but suspect they wouldn&#8217;t appreciate the sidewalk suggestion.<br />
 SteveH &#8211; if only you&#8217;d met the Editor, as I did &#8211; creepy and humorous is bull&#8217;s eye, reinforced by personal impression&#8230;</p>
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		By: Gringo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gringo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Nov 2010 19:21:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A house with close to zero impact on the environment would be someone sleeping on the sidewalk- ignoring, of course, the cement used for the sidewalk.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A house with close to zero impact on the environment would be someone sleeping on the sidewalk- ignoring, of course, the cement used for the sidewalk.</p>
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		By: Sergey		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sergey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Nov 2010 18:47:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yes, Don, these two kinds of Enlightenment, French and Scottish, were worlds apart. The first gave us Karl Marx, the second Adam Smith. The first inspired Jacobin terror and Communism, the second - US Constitution. The very notions &quot;Left&quot; and &quot;Right&quot; reflects how opposing factions were sitting in the first French Convent. My point was that we are still in the height of controversies originated in 18 century.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Don, these two kinds of Enlightenment, French and Scottish, were worlds apart. The first gave us Karl Marx, the second Adam Smith. The first inspired Jacobin terror and Communism, the second &#8211; US Constitution. The very notions &#8220;Left&#8221; and &#8220;Right&#8221; reflects how opposing factions were sitting in the first French Convent. My point was that we are still in the height of controversies originated in 18 century.</p>
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		By: SteveH		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SteveH]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Nov 2010 18:01:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Tatyana, the metropolis magazine site is both creepy and humorous. Creepy in their obvious obsession that man can exist but only if he behaves like an imposing visitor on earth. Humorous in how it reminds me of a book i saw in the third grade about cars of the future. Cars of the future looked nothing like any of the hundreds i recall they rendered. lol]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tatyana, the metropolis magazine site is both creepy and humorous. Creepy in their obvious obsession that man can exist but only if he behaves like an imposing visitor on earth. Humorous in how it reminds me of a book i saw in the third grade about cars of the future. Cars of the future looked nothing like any of the hundreds i recall they rendered. lol</p>
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		By: Don		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Don]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Nov 2010 17:57:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sergey,

I think you are being too hard on the Enlightenment. English Enlightenment thinkers came up with things such as modern economic theory, and the conservative and libertarian theories of politics.

The thing about the Engish Enlightenment is that it started on  the ground, with free markets and representative government, and the great thinkers were basically explaining what they saw. The French enlightenment was false, in that it wasn&#039;t &quot;in the streets&quot; but only in the heads of great thinkers. The French then had a more theory based and less grounded Enlightenment, which allowed them to develop radical leftist ideas. 

The English / Scottish Enlightement was a great event, the French one was an evil event.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sergey,</p>
<p>I think you are being too hard on the Enlightenment. English Enlightenment thinkers came up with things such as modern economic theory, and the conservative and libertarian theories of politics.</p>
<p>The thing about the Engish Enlightenment is that it started on  the ground, with free markets and representative government, and the great thinkers were basically explaining what they saw. The French enlightenment was false, in that it wasn&#8217;t &#8220;in the streets&#8221; but only in the heads of great thinkers. The French then had a more theory based and less grounded Enlightenment, which allowed them to develop radical leftist ideas. </p>
<p>The English / Scottish Enlightement was a great event, the French one was an evil event.</p>
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		By: Don		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Don]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Nov 2010 17:51:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;And I can’t resist a final observation: Isn’t it intriguing that, while liberalism is such an “optimistic” doctrine, liberals themselves are nonetheless (statistically speaking) angrier and less happy than conservatives, who themselves adhere to a doctrine that, by comparison to the sunny utopian progressivism of the left, seems bleak and cold by comparison?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It is ironic, but perhaps not surprising. 

It seems to me that a world view that is accurate in predicting outcomes makes one happier than one that consistently predicts happier outcomes than are achieved.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>And I can’t resist a final observation: Isn’t it intriguing that, while liberalism is such an “optimistic” doctrine, liberals themselves are nonetheless (statistically speaking) angrier and less happy than conservatives, who themselves adhere to a doctrine that, by comparison to the sunny utopian progressivism of the left, seems bleak and cold by comparison?</p></blockquote>
<p>It is ironic, but perhaps not surprising. </p>
<p>It seems to me that a world view that is accurate in predicting outcomes makes one happier than one that consistently predicts happier outcomes than are achieved.</p>
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		By: Tatyana		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tatyana]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Nov 2010 17:33:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[SteveH: not so funny, when one considers it&#039;s for Federal buildings - who do you think will wind up paying for this folly?
[see &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.metropolismag.com/nextgen/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;link &lt;/a&gt; to Metropolis].

As to cremation...funny you mentioned that:
http://www.dustbury.com/archives/11382]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SteveH: not so funny, when one considers it&#8217;s for Federal buildings &#8211; who do you think will wind up paying for this folly?<br />
[see <a href="http://www.metropolismag.com/nextgen/" rel="nofollow">link </a> to Metropolis].</p>
<p>As to cremation&#8230;funny you mentioned that:<br />
<a href="http://www.dustbury.com/archives/11382" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.dustbury.com/archives/11382</a></p>
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		By: SteveH		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SteveH]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Nov 2010 17:19:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;&quot;ZERO footprint on environment.&quot;&quot;
Tatyana

 Heck, even dead people make a footprint on the environment. I better hush or someone will suggest space shots for all cremated remains. Lol]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8221;ZERO footprint on environment.&#8221;&#8221;<br />
Tatyana</p>
<p> Heck, even dead people make a footprint on the environment. I better hush or someone will suggest space shots for all cremated remains. Lol</p>
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