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		By: Gringo		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/10/28/and-speaking-of-changers/#comment-196431</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gringo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Oct 2010 18:01:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[avery, what is &quot;NPD&quot;? Neo/New Progressive Democrat?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>avery, what is &#8220;NPD&#8221;? Neo/New Progressive Democrat?</p>
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		By: Sergey		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/10/28/and-speaking-of-changers/#comment-196360</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sergey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Oct 2010 11:52:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There is a brillint analysis of the Left dillema by Wretchard:
http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2010/10/28/revolt-on-the-left/#more-10831]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a brillint analysis of the Left dillema by Wretchard:<br />
<a href="http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2010/10/28/revolt-on-the-left/#more-10831" rel="nofollow ugc">http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2010/10/28/revolt-on-the-left/#more-10831</a></p>
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		By: avery		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/10/28/and-speaking-of-changers/#comment-196343</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[avery]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Oct 2010 10:40:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I can see why many here are skeptical, but you must make allowances for new generations who are only taking the red pill now.  Kevin is only in his early 30s, and was raised entirely within the dem bubble, like so many people, like me.  You may be familiar with the decades of skulduggery, the tactics, the incidents, the coalitions, the methods and the ideology of the Left with the proper understanding of them as hyper destructive manipulators, but the newly awakened suckers have everything to learn.  You can be sure their manipulator masters weren&#039;t cluing them in.  Please think in terms of teaching and sharing what you know.  These are survival skills.

In 2007, I was a low-information typical woman democratic voter.  I bought what the LSM peddles.  Then I became interested in the primaries and checked out BO who I instantly (yes instantly) marked as an NPD.  I know NPD because my dad was one and I spent several years studying it in order to fend him off.  Right away I could see the implications of an NPD president and it scared the **** out of me. It was then that both my political awakening and political involvement began.  Never would have believed I would end up within 2 years shunning LSM, studying up on conservatism, and sending monetary support to republican candidates.

Now, as to democratic dirty tricks.  Is it morally impure to know and understand what those tricks are?  How will you stop them if you refuse to know what they are doing, with whom and how?  What will that get you?  Whipped, that&#039;s where.

On the other hand, it is a separate thing to say that DuJan is encouraging his readers to employ the same tricks.  As a hillbuzz reader I disagree.  He is hardly advocating, for example, vote fraud.  He is much more interested in busting vote fraud by raising awareness that these things do go on and need to be documented.  The Left is constantly doing the elephant in the living room dysfunctional family trick of pressuring people to disbelieve in reality.

But if I go to a dem survey and fill it out in a misleading fashion, or if I join OFA and claim to make calls, or claim to have certain &#039;organizing&#039; successes or find other ways to actively undermine them, well, so sorry.  I always admired Odysseus&#039;s wits. One could split hairs over how he handled the Cyclops and whether it was morally pure - all the way until monster lunchtime.  By monster lunchtime you will be on the menu and on his timetable and your chance to act will have passed.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can see why many here are skeptical, but you must make allowances for new generations who are only taking the red pill now.  Kevin is only in his early 30s, and was raised entirely within the dem bubble, like so many people, like me.  You may be familiar with the decades of skulduggery, the tactics, the incidents, the coalitions, the methods and the ideology of the Left with the proper understanding of them as hyper destructive manipulators, but the newly awakened suckers have everything to learn.  You can be sure their manipulator masters weren&#8217;t cluing them in.  Please think in terms of teaching and sharing what you know.  These are survival skills.</p>
<p>In 2007, I was a low-information typical woman democratic voter.  I bought what the LSM peddles.  Then I became interested in the primaries and checked out BO who I instantly (yes instantly) marked as an NPD.  I know NPD because my dad was one and I spent several years studying it in order to fend him off.  Right away I could see the implications of an NPD president and it scared the **** out of me. It was then that both my political awakening and political involvement began.  Never would have believed I would end up within 2 years shunning LSM, studying up on conservatism, and sending monetary support to republican candidates.</p>
<p>Now, as to democratic dirty tricks.  Is it morally impure to know and understand what those tricks are?  How will you stop them if you refuse to know what they are doing, with whom and how?  What will that get you?  Whipped, that&#8217;s where.</p>
<p>On the other hand, it is a separate thing to say that DuJan is encouraging his readers to employ the same tricks.  As a hillbuzz reader I disagree.  He is hardly advocating, for example, vote fraud.  He is much more interested in busting vote fraud by raising awareness that these things do go on and need to be documented.  The Left is constantly doing the elephant in the living room dysfunctional family trick of pressuring people to disbelieve in reality.</p>
<p>But if I go to a dem survey and fill it out in a misleading fashion, or if I join OFA and claim to make calls, or claim to have certain &#8216;organizing&#8217; successes or find other ways to actively undermine them, well, so sorry.  I always admired Odysseus&#8217;s wits. One could split hairs over how he handled the Cyclops and whether it was morally pure &#8211; all the way until monster lunchtime.  By monster lunchtime you will be on the menu and on his timetable and your chance to act will have passed.</p>
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		By: Beverly		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/10/28/and-speaking-of-changers/#comment-196304</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Beverly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Oct 2010 05:32:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Kevin sounds like a fellow who thought he went to bed with nice Doctor Jekyll last night. . . .

. . . and woke up with MR HYDE!

I know how he feels. I had the same sickening feeling when I realized in 2001, even before the Muslim massacres, that the Demos, my then-party, were willing to burn down the nation&#039;s trust in our election system to the ground, all to one of their guys into the White House.

That enraged me. It didn&#039;t make me a Republican, though. That took a few more shocks: seeing their Quisling behavior after Sept. 11th, seeing them sheath the Racism sword for only a month, tops, before drawing it &lt;i&gt;again,&lt;/i&gt; and so forth and so on.

I realized I didn&#039;t have any idea who I&#039;d been sleeping with. Here I thought they were good guys who were taking care of the little fellow, protecting our animal friends, and ensuring that the fanatical Puritans didn&#039;t recriminalize abortion.

I suspect that this fellow won&#039;t be a conservative, but he may be marooned between the boats.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin sounds like a fellow who thought he went to bed with nice Doctor Jekyll last night. . . .</p>
<p>. . . and woke up with MR HYDE!</p>
<p>I know how he feels. I had the same sickening feeling when I realized in 2001, even before the Muslim massacres, that the Demos, my then-party, were willing to burn down the nation&#8217;s trust in our election system to the ground, all to one of their guys into the White House.</p>
<p>That enraged me. It didn&#8217;t make me a Republican, though. That took a few more shocks: seeing their Quisling behavior after Sept. 11th, seeing them sheath the Racism sword for only a month, tops, before drawing it <i>again,</i> and so forth and so on.</p>
<p>I realized I didn&#8217;t have any idea who I&#8217;d been sleeping with. Here I thought they were good guys who were taking care of the little fellow, protecting our animal friends, and ensuring that the fanatical Puritans didn&#8217;t recriminalize abortion.</p>
<p>I suspect that this fellow won&#8217;t be a conservative, but he may be marooned between the boats.</p>
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		By: NeoConScum		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/10/28/and-speaking-of-changers/#comment-196228</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[NeoConScum]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Oct 2010 23:57:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yowzzaaaa...Fascinating. thanks for posting this one, N-Neo.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yowzzaaaa&#8230;Fascinating. thanks for posting this one, N-Neo.</p>
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		By: S.Graham		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/10/28/and-speaking-of-changers/#comment-196137</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[S.Graham]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Oct 2010 18:48:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I came to Hillbuzz because of their apology letter to Pres.Bush.It brought tears to my eyes.You can find it on their site.IMO, they helped Scott Brown get elected.I sent him money because of them.Kevin is sincere in my view and can help the Conservative cause in many ways.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I came to Hillbuzz because of their apology letter to Pres.Bush.It brought tears to my eyes.You can find it on their site.IMO, they helped Scott Brown get elected.I sent him money because of them.Kevin is sincere in my view and can help the Conservative cause in many ways.</p>
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		By: Curtis		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/10/28/and-speaking-of-changers/#comment-196074</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Curtis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Oct 2010 14:04:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Only 18,400 hits on &quot;Open letter to Rush Limbaugh.&quot; Regardless of whether or not KD is sincere, knowingly sincere, or whatever, this letter, man, website, and effort reveal the one message we should be hammering: Obama is not who he says he is. He is a liar.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Only 18,400 hits on &#8220;Open letter to Rush Limbaugh.&#8221; Regardless of whether or not KD is sincere, knowingly sincere, or whatever, this letter, man, website, and effort reveal the one message we should be hammering: Obama is not who he says he is. He is a liar.</p>
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		By: Scottie		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/10/28/and-speaking-of-changers/#comment-196062</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Scottie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Oct 2010 13:07:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Look, the guy is just confused as to which side he wants to play on.

:)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look, the guy is just confused as to which side he wants to play on.</p>
<p>🙂</p>
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		By: Sergey		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/10/28/and-speaking-of-changers/#comment-196024</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sergey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Oct 2010 08:22:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This is not naivety, this is the power of denial. I met Communist Party apparatchiks who look both sincere and intelligent, should be also well-informed about dirty secrets, but sound naive like babies. But important aspects of reality were obscured from critical analysis for them, explained away by childish arguments which no objective thinker could accept. The need to keep their identity and beliefs intact overwheighted elementary logic. My grandmother, Bolshevik since 1917 (even before they raised to power), a historian and Arabist, worked in Komintern and later in Kominform, a propaganda branch of the Party. She knew quite well what medieval Asian despoty is and how propaganda is done, but refused to apply all her formidable knowledge to Stalin regime. Almost all her collegues perished in purges, she should have known that they were innocent, but denied this too. Only after Khruchshev dismounting of Stalin cult, she accepted the reality, and became very vocal about it. She explained to me in early 60s: &quot;I just forbade myself to think about certain questions&quot;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is not naivety, this is the power of denial. I met Communist Party apparatchiks who look both sincere and intelligent, should be also well-informed about dirty secrets, but sound naive like babies. But important aspects of reality were obscured from critical analysis for them, explained away by childish arguments which no objective thinker could accept. The need to keep their identity and beliefs intact overwheighted elementary logic. My grandmother, Bolshevik since 1917 (even before they raised to power), a historian and Arabist, worked in Komintern and later in Kominform, a propaganda branch of the Party. She knew quite well what medieval Asian despoty is and how propaganda is done, but refused to apply all her formidable knowledge to Stalin regime. Almost all her collegues perished in purges, she should have known that they were innocent, but denied this too. Only after Khruchshev dismounting of Stalin cult, she accepted the reality, and became very vocal about it. She explained to me in early 60s: &#8220;I just forbade myself to think about certain questions&#8221;.</p>
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		By: FenelonSpoke		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/10/28/and-speaking-of-changers/#comment-196011</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[FenelonSpoke]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Oct 2010 06:13:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have been reading the hillbuzz site since the Presidential election, and yes Kevin Dujan is absolutely sincere. The hillbuzz guys are disgusted with the Democratic Party and they are currently doing everything in their power to help elect the conservative candidate in Chicago, Joel Pollak.

And yes, as someone who was a liberal until the 2008 Presidential primaries and has now ONLY voted for Republicans since then, political conversion is possible. Do they still view Hillary with rose colored glasses? Yes, but even that may change. They say that in a  race between Palin and Hillary they would go with Palin.

As far as being &quot;catty&quot; yes, they can be sometimes. That would describe a number of gay men I know and  like-and no, I don&#039;t know them personally. That would make them like some women I know-and  even some men. There ought to be a masculine equivalent to &quot;catty&quot;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been reading the hillbuzz site since the Presidential election, and yes Kevin Dujan is absolutely sincere. The hillbuzz guys are disgusted with the Democratic Party and they are currently doing everything in their power to help elect the conservative candidate in Chicago, Joel Pollak.</p>
<p>And yes, as someone who was a liberal until the 2008 Presidential primaries and has now ONLY voted for Republicans since then, political conversion is possible. Do they still view Hillary with rose colored glasses? Yes, but even that may change. They say that in a  race between Palin and Hillary they would go with Palin.</p>
<p>As far as being &#8220;catty&#8221; yes, they can be sometimes. That would describe a number of gay men I know and  like-and no, I don&#8217;t know them personally. That would make them like some women I know-and  even some men. There ought to be a masculine equivalent to &#8220;catty&#8221;.</p>
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