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		By: njartist49		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/10/25/assange-and-ellsberg-together-at-last/#comment-195418</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[njartist49]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Oct 2010 22:05:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		By: njartist49		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/10/25/assange-and-ellsberg-together-at-last/#comment-195417</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[njartist49]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Oct 2010 22:01:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;...the American people were informed of the government’s deceptions, and we finally disengaged from an unwinnable battle…&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It was &lt;i&gt;not unwinnable,/i&#062;. We did not lose militarily. The Democratic controlled Congress denied aid to the South Vietnamese when the North broke the treaty and invaded the South; by this time the U.S. military had long since departed.

Refusing to fight or or being stabbed in the back by members of your own side - that is called treason - does not make a war unwinnable.&lt;/i&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8230;the American people were informed of the government’s deceptions, and we finally disengaged from an unwinnable battle…</p></blockquote>
<p>It was <i>not unwinnable,/i&gt;. We did not lose militarily. The Democratic controlled Congress denied aid to the South Vietnamese when the North broke the treaty and invaded the South; by this time the U.S. military had long since departed.</p>
<p>Refusing to fight or or being stabbed in the back by members of your own side &#8211; that is called treason &#8211; does not make a war unwinnable.</i></p>
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		By: Daniel in Brookline		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/10/25/assange-and-ellsberg-together-at-last/#comment-195330</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Daniel in Brookline]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Oct 2010 17:03:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I take comfort in Assange&#039;s need to be in hiding... and his whining that he&#039;s being unfairly targeted.  (He bragged about taking on the world&#039;s most dangerous military.  Did he really think that the US military would not fight back?  That&#039;s what armies do.)

As one of the articles about him commented: &quot;If you act outside the system, you will be dealt with outside the system&quot;.  Indeed.

Vieux Charles: that wouldn&#039;t be sarcasm, now would it?

respectfully,
Daniel in Brookline]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I take comfort in Assange&#8217;s need to be in hiding&#8230; and his whining that he&#8217;s being unfairly targeted.  (He bragged about taking on the world&#8217;s most dangerous military.  Did he really think that the US military would not fight back?  That&#8217;s what armies do.)</p>
<p>As one of the articles about him commented: &#8220;If you act outside the system, you will be dealt with outside the system&#8221;.  Indeed.</p>
<p>Vieux Charles: that wouldn&#8217;t be sarcasm, now would it?</p>
<p>respectfully,<br />
Daniel in Brookline</p>
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		By: Tom		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/10/25/assange-and-ellsberg-together-at-last/#comment-195201</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Oct 2010 00:40:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I repeat my comment of yesterday: These people are iterations of the anarchists of 100 years ago, sociopaths.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I repeat my comment of yesterday: These people are iterations of the anarchists of 100 years ago, sociopaths.</p>
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		By: Vieux Charles		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/10/25/assange-and-ellsberg-together-at-last/#comment-195193</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Vieux Charles]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Oct 2010 23:42:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[How I envy Israel, that they have such a fine group of courageous patriotic heroes in the Mossad.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How I envy Israel, that they have such a fine group of courageous patriotic heroes in the Mossad.</p>
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		By: Jim Miller		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/10/25/assange-and-ellsberg-together-at-last/#comment-195190</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jim Miller]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Oct 2010 23:26:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Neo - If you can, buy or borrow a copy of Epstein&#039;s collection, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/Between-Fact-Fiction-Problem-Journalism/dp/0394713966/ref=sr_1_45?ie=UTF8&#038;qid=1288048926&#038;sr=8-45&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;Between Fact and Fiction&quot;&lt;/a&gt;.

It contains the essay Wilson refers to, and much else.

His &quot;News from Nowhere&quot; is also very good.

(I believe that Epstein makes most (all/) of the essays in the book available on his rather strange web site.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neo &#8211; If you can, buy or borrow a copy of Epstein&#8217;s collection, <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Between-Fact-Fiction-Problem-Journalism/dp/0394713966/ref=sr_1_45?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1288048926&amp;sr=8-45" rel="nofollow">&#8220;Between Fact and Fiction&#8221;</a>.</p>
<p>It contains the essay Wilson refers to, and much else.</p>
<p>His &#8220;News from Nowhere&#8221; is also very good.</p>
<p>(I believe that Epstein makes most (all/) of the essays in the book available on his rather strange web site.)</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/10/25/assange-and-ellsberg-together-at-last/#comment-195160</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo-neocon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Oct 2010 20:26:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Bill West: that&#039;s long.  I don&#039;t have time to read it now.  But I will try to look at it later, because it looks interesting.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill West: that&#8217;s long.  I don&#8217;t have time to read it now.  But I will try to look at it later, because it looks interesting.</p>
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		By: Bill West		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/10/25/assange-and-ellsberg-together-at-last/#comment-195158</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bill West]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Oct 2010 20:20:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s broader than that, as paragraph (3) notes.  Prof. John Eastment testified before congress after Lichtblau and Risen disclosed classified material in the NYT.  The case he makes in his testimoney are applicable in this case.

http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/2006_hr/052606eastman.pdf

US laws apply to foreigners as well.  Perhaps not on foreign soil.  Then our intelligence services  might be tasked with gathering information outside the country to learn the identities of collaborators inside the country.

It&#039;s a threat.  We must protect ourselves from enemies foreign and domestic.  I was angry with the Bush administration for failing to prosecute Lichtblau and Risen.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s broader than that, as paragraph (3) notes.  Prof. John Eastment testified before congress after Lichtblau and Risen disclosed classified material in the NYT.  The case he makes in his testimoney are applicable in this case.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/2006_hr/052606eastman.pdf" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/2006_hr/052606eastman.pdf</a></p>
<p>US laws apply to foreigners as well.  Perhaps not on foreign soil.  Then our intelligence services  might be tasked with gathering information outside the country to learn the identities of collaborators inside the country.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a threat.  We must protect ourselves from enemies foreign and domestic.  I was angry with the Bush administration for failing to prosecute Lichtblau and Risen.</p>
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		By: Assistant Village Idiot		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/10/25/assange-and-ellsberg-together-at-last/#comment-195151</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Assistant Village Idiot]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Oct 2010 20:14:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hiss.  Rosenbergs.

It&#039;s for a good cause and a better world, you see, so it doesn&#039;t count as treason.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hiss.  Rosenbergs.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s for a good cause and a better world, you see, so it doesn&#8217;t count as treason.</p>
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		By: Artfldgr		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/10/25/assange-and-ellsberg-together-at-last/#comment-195149</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Artfldgr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Oct 2010 20:12:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Notice what countries that they DONT release information about....


ie... the countries who disburse information to them to release that basically becomes an intelligence attack...

most never noticed that the tin hats always had info against the US, but not against Russia, china, Cuba, etc. 

its a wonderful way to release information obtained by spying agencies selectively, and cause problems among an naive and stupid population that not only believes that such battles are in the past, but that such is completely not an issue today at all



Just as the Russians giving the equivalent of every neurotic Americans dream all for spying. you can be famous, sexy, have your own show, riches too! all you have to do is spy for us!!!  and when your caught, its better than when you were spying!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Notice what countries that they DONT release information about&#8230;.</p>
<p>ie&#8230; the countries who disburse information to them to release that basically becomes an intelligence attack&#8230;</p>
<p>most never noticed that the tin hats always had info against the US, but not against Russia, china, Cuba, etc. </p>
<p>its a wonderful way to release information obtained by spying agencies selectively, and cause problems among an naive and stupid population that not only believes that such battles are in the past, but that such is completely not an issue today at all</p>
<p>Just as the Russians giving the equivalent of every neurotic Americans dream all for spying. you can be famous, sexy, have your own show, riches too! all you have to do is spy for us!!!  and when your caught, its better than when you were spying!</p>
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