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		By: Artfldgr		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/10/21/juan-williams-steps-on-the-npr-third-rail/#comment-194418</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Artfldgr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Oct 2010 17:33:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[but this isnt totalirianism... right? 

its just that you havent figured out what the victim feels or experiences as it happens. 

you only know what it looks like from the outside after there is no more question of the condition]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>but this isnt totalirianism&#8230; right? </p>
<p>its just that you havent figured out what the victim feels or experiences as it happens. </p>
<p>you only know what it looks like from the outside after there is no more question of the condition</p>
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		By: A fan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[A fan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Oct 2010 17:17:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If I remember correctly, Juan Williams&#039; son is a Republican politician. I believe he ran for office in the past. Not sure if he was elected.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I remember correctly, Juan Williams&#8217; son is a Republican politician. I believe he ran for office in the past. Not sure if he was elected.</p>
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		By: Upstate Crunchy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Upstate Crunchy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Oct 2010 13:04:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What was that about a neo-con is a liberal who&#039;s been mugged by reality?

I&#039;ve always wanted to hold out some possibility for NPR since one station in upstate NY adheres to a classical music format--the only one in the area.  If it wasn&#039;t for them, the area would be utterly bereft of a musical form and cultural heritage that enlightens and liberates.  On the other hand, the more popular NPR station in my area has an ultra-left leaning talk format.  That station commits all the sins described on this thread...and more.  It would be funny to listen if it weren&#039;t so disgraceful.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What was that about a neo-con is a liberal who&#8217;s been mugged by reality?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve always wanted to hold out some possibility for NPR since one station in upstate NY adheres to a classical music format&#8211;the only one in the area.  If it wasn&#8217;t for them, the area would be utterly bereft of a musical form and cultural heritage that enlightens and liberates.  On the other hand, the more popular NPR station in my area has an ultra-left leaning talk format.  That station commits all the sins described on this thread&#8230;and more.  It would be funny to listen if it weren&#8217;t so disgraceful.</p>
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		By: johnnyquark		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[johnnyquark]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Oct 2010 05:02:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m sure a lot of muslims feel the same way Williams does when they fly.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure a lot of muslims feel the same way Williams does when they fly.</p>
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		By: Denise		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Denise]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Oct 2010 01:50:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A few years ago several members of my family caught a plane to a family event.  There were two adult males in our group, one of whom is about 6&#039; 4&quot; and maybe 250 when he&#039;s dieting.  There was a gentleman on the plane clearly Muslim and radiating a sort of sour negativity.  Our group wasn&#039;t able to sit together, but the 2 adult males signaled each other.  They were keeping an eye on this guy and did so throughout the flight.   This is called common sense where I come from.  

The last writer had it correct, Juan Williams said what most normal people think and was punished for it.   

When thinking is outlawed, only outlaws will have thoughts.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few years ago several members of my family caught a plane to a family event.  There were two adult males in our group, one of whom is about 6&#8242; 4&#8243; and maybe 250 when he&#8217;s dieting.  There was a gentleman on the plane clearly Muslim and radiating a sort of sour negativity.  Our group wasn&#8217;t able to sit together, but the 2 adult males signaled each other.  They were keeping an eye on this guy and did so throughout the flight.   This is called common sense where I come from.  </p>
<p>The last writer had it correct, Juan Williams said what most normal people think and was punished for it.   </p>
<p>When thinking is outlawed, only outlaws will have thoughts.</p>
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		By: ELC		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/10/21/juan-williams-steps-on-the-npr-third-rail/#comment-194271</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ELC]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Oct 2010 01:15:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;But when I get on the plane, I got to tell you, if I see people who are in Muslim garb and I think, you know, they are identifying themselves first and foremost as Muslims, I get worried. I get nervous.&lt;/i&gt;

I&#039;m not a psychologist. But, surely, I cannot be the only one who thinks NPR had a hair trigger about this because Williams actually said out loud what the rest of them at NPR think but dare not say.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>But when I get on the plane, I got to tell you, if I see people who are in Muslim garb and I think, you know, they are identifying themselves first and foremost as Muslims, I get worried. I get nervous.</i></p>
<p>I&#8217;m not a psychologist. But, surely, I cannot be the only one who thinks NPR had a hair trigger about this because Williams actually said out loud what the rest of them at NPR think but dare not say.</p>
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		By: Michael		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Oct 2010 01:05:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Once again, y&#039;all need to read Systems of Survival by the late Jane Jacobs.  &quot;Dissent for the sake of the task&quot; is a &quot;Commercial Syndrome&quot; value, while shouting down or silencing an opposing point of view is a Guardian practice. 

Systems presents a theory, and, just in case there are some who still confuse theory with hypothesis, a theory is a mental construct that organizes observations that are, otherwise, apparently unrelated. This thread, many others, and many Neo essays  make those observations.

The US was founded as a Republic in which Commercial (Bourgeois) values would dominate. Just read it, then let&#039;s talk.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once again, y&#8217;all need to read Systems of Survival by the late Jane Jacobs.  &#8220;Dissent for the sake of the task&#8221; is a &#8220;Commercial Syndrome&#8221; value, while shouting down or silencing an opposing point of view is a Guardian practice. </p>
<p>Systems presents a theory, and, just in case there are some who still confuse theory with hypothesis, a theory is a mental construct that organizes observations that are, otherwise, apparently unrelated. This thread, many others, and many Neo essays  make those observations.</p>
<p>The US was founded as a Republic in which Commercial (Bourgeois) values would dominate. Just read it, then let&#8217;s talk.</p>
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		By: Don Janousek		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Don Janousek]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Oct 2010 01:04:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mr. Frank:  That would be an insult to Pravada.  It is now much more objective in its reporting than the members of the Supreme Soviet at National Pinko Radio.

All Juan Williams did was give expression to a personal feeling he has had.  Nothing more.  However, in this era of thought crimes, that is enough to convict.  In order to be doubleplusgood, we must all love Big Brother, not only with our actions and words, but with our feelings, emotions and thoughts, too.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Frank:  That would be an insult to Pravada.  It is now much more objective in its reporting than the members of the Supreme Soviet at National Pinko Radio.</p>
<p>All Juan Williams did was give expression to a personal feeling he has had.  Nothing more.  However, in this era of thought crimes, that is enough to convict.  In order to be doubleplusgood, we must all love Big Brother, not only with our actions and words, but with our feelings, emotions and thoughts, too.</p>
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		By: rickl		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/10/21/juan-williams-steps-on-the-npr-third-rail/#comment-194261</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rickl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Oct 2010 00:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Great comment, Rathyen.

I haven&#039;t listened to NPR in years, and I watch very little TV.  I don&#039;t even watch Fox very much.  But I echo other commenters here:  the times I&#039;ve seen and heard Williams, he&#039;s sounded like a pretty intelligent and fair-minded liberal, not a leftist ideologue.  This just might turn out to be a big wakeup call and learning experience for him.  At some point he&#039;s bound to notice that he&#039;s getting lots of understanding, sympathy, and support from conservatives, Tea Partiers, and other assorted right-wingers.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great comment, Rathyen.</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t listened to NPR in years, and I watch very little TV.  I don&#8217;t even watch Fox very much.  But I echo other commenters here:  the times I&#8217;ve seen and heard Williams, he&#8217;s sounded like a pretty intelligent and fair-minded liberal, not a leftist ideologue.  This just might turn out to be a big wakeup call and learning experience for him.  At some point he&#8217;s bound to notice that he&#8217;s getting lots of understanding, sympathy, and support from conservatives, Tea Partiers, and other assorted right-wingers.</p>
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		By: Rathtyen		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rathtyen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Oct 2010 23:43:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Over the past year or so I have become a fairly regular viewer of Fox programmes such as O’Reilly, Hannity, and Brett Beier, on which Williams regularly appears. I had my doubts about him at first, as I find a lot of the leftist commentators too flaky (eg Alan Coombs, who adds very little to anything). 

Williams is however a reasoned and sensible commentator. I often didn’t agree with him, but he usually had an arguable point of view. He is, too a very large degree, fair, balanced, sensible and worth listening to.

Quite a few months ago, some leftist group or commentateor (I forget the details) accused Juan Williams of being an Uncle Tom. I recall seeing Williams discussing it, perhaps with O’Reilly, in a very dignified manner, and my opinion of him increased considerably. But from that time on, I thought he changed a bit, and moved his commentary further right. He had crossed the leftist brothers and sisters, been on the receiving end of totally unnecessary ugliness, and I think started to see things a little more clearly.

This episode may well complete that transition. 

The left is becoming more extreme, and it has no place for balanced thinking. Its values are now about winning; not winning anything in particular, just winning, and not much else. Older-time leftists like Williams, who did get involved in meaningful and useful social struggles, are increasingly irrelevant to the left: its not about values any more.

Here’s the bottom line: a black man in America gets fired by the left for expressing his own, moderate, thoughts. The conservative side might argue with him, but they’ll give him a voice and hear him out. The left side insists he tows the line and won’t tolerate dissent so tries to shut him down.

Firing Williams was a big mistake as it highlights just how corrupted and intolerant the left is. The vicious peer group pressure the left applies to African-Americans to stay within prescribed bounds of behaviour is akin to a type of ownership. Today, the political left are the oppressors of African-Americans, and Juan Williams has just been liberated. He’s now like Neo, and while the path ahead might be rocky, he’s escaped the nightmare.

Fortunately, he has the courage and integrity to stand up for himself (and I imagine he will find FOX very supportive) and show African Americans just how the political left keeps them oppressed. 

Juan, its time to take the Red pill.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Over the past year or so I have become a fairly regular viewer of Fox programmes such as O’Reilly, Hannity, and Brett Beier, on which Williams regularly appears. I had my doubts about him at first, as I find a lot of the leftist commentators too flaky (eg Alan Coombs, who adds very little to anything). </p>
<p>Williams is however a reasoned and sensible commentator. I often didn’t agree with him, but he usually had an arguable point of view. He is, too a very large degree, fair, balanced, sensible and worth listening to.</p>
<p>Quite a few months ago, some leftist group or commentateor (I forget the details) accused Juan Williams of being an Uncle Tom. I recall seeing Williams discussing it, perhaps with O’Reilly, in a very dignified manner, and my opinion of him increased considerably. But from that time on, I thought he changed a bit, and moved his commentary further right. He had crossed the leftist brothers and sisters, been on the receiving end of totally unnecessary ugliness, and I think started to see things a little more clearly.</p>
<p>This episode may well complete that transition. </p>
<p>The left is becoming more extreme, and it has no place for balanced thinking. Its values are now about winning; not winning anything in particular, just winning, and not much else. Older-time leftists like Williams, who did get involved in meaningful and useful social struggles, are increasingly irrelevant to the left: its not about values any more.</p>
<p>Here’s the bottom line: a black man in America gets fired by the left for expressing his own, moderate, thoughts. The conservative side might argue with him, but they’ll give him a voice and hear him out. The left side insists he tows the line and won’t tolerate dissent so tries to shut him down.</p>
<p>Firing Williams was a big mistake as it highlights just how corrupted and intolerant the left is. The vicious peer group pressure the left applies to African-Americans to stay within prescribed bounds of behaviour is akin to a type of ownership. Today, the political left are the oppressors of African-Americans, and Juan Williams has just been liberated. He’s now like Neo, and while the path ahead might be rocky, he’s escaped the nightmare.</p>
<p>Fortunately, he has the courage and integrity to stand up for himself (and I imagine he will find FOX very supportive) and show African Americans just how the political left keeps them oppressed. </p>
<p>Juan, its time to take the Red pill.</p>
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