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		By: Sergey		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/10/11/paladino-religion-gay-rights/#comment-192119</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sergey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Oct 2010 08:21:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What actually surprize me that medical and psychological discussions of genesis of homosexuality completely ignore seminal works of Zigmund Freud on this matter. He was the first to investigate clinically and empirically a lot of cases of deviating sexuality and mechanisms of libido fixation in the course of individual development from early infancy to adulthood both in norm and pathology, and associated problem in personality development. He found that libido can attach itself to different body parts and different bechaviours during individual development, and that there are some patterns in changing this fixation. This changes can be influenced by experience and external events, and they are valid targets of therapy. Early experimentation can lead to abnormal fixation, since any bechavior producing pleasure are addictive. It is not easy to overcome such addictions, just as in case of drug addiction, but this is possible. So the main point of Paladino statesment that homosexuality creates problems both to individual and society and is dysfunctional, and that children should not be encouraged to risky experimentation but warned and restrained from it, is valid.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What actually surprize me that medical and psychological discussions of genesis of homosexuality completely ignore seminal works of Zigmund Freud on this matter. He was the first to investigate clinically and empirically a lot of cases of deviating sexuality and mechanisms of libido fixation in the course of individual development from early infancy to adulthood both in norm and pathology, and associated problem in personality development. He found that libido can attach itself to different body parts and different bechaviours during individual development, and that there are some patterns in changing this fixation. This changes can be influenced by experience and external events, and they are valid targets of therapy. Early experimentation can lead to abnormal fixation, since any bechavior producing pleasure are addictive. It is not easy to overcome such addictions, just as in case of drug addiction, but this is possible. So the main point of Paladino statesment that homosexuality creates problems both to individual and society and is dysfunctional, and that children should not be encouraged to risky experimentation but warned and restrained from it, is valid.</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/10/11/paladino-religion-gay-rights/#comment-192069</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo-neocon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Oct 2010 04:16:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Oblio: if you think that one was ugly, you should see the ones I delete immediately.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oblio: if you think that one was ugly, you should see the ones I delete immediately.</p>
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		By: Oblio		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/10/11/paladino-religion-gay-rights/#comment-192048</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Oblio]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Oct 2010 01:55:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Neo, what an ugly example of anti-Semitism, as well as utter stupidity.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neo, what an ugly example of anti-Semitism, as well as utter stupidity.</p>
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		By: Ben David		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/10/11/paladino-religion-gay-rights/#comment-192018</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ben David]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Oct 2010 21:41:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Taking neo&#039;s assumptions:

1) There is nowhere near that much genetic influence for ANY complex human behavior.

The &quot;born that way&quot; claim serves 2 purposes:
- it sidesteps moral and clinical discussion of the promiscuity that typifies the gay &quot;community&quot;
- with Big Lie propaganda techniques of repetition, it creates a sloppy association between &quot;occurring in nature&quot; and &quot;normal, well-adjusted, healthy&quot;

2) Your assertion that homosexuality cannot be cured shows that the &quot;born that way&quot; propaganda has worked - at least partially - on you.

In fact the psychological literature up until the 70s had numerous articles on successful treatment of unwanted homosexual desires. The paper trail dries up abruptly in the mid-70s because that&#039;s when the activists took over.

Homosexuality is similar to other compulsive/addictive behaviors. It can be treated using the same techniques as for drink, drugs, and eating disorders, with the same success rates.

3) Yes, I agree wholeheartedly. The prevalent patterns of behavior in the gay &quot;community&quot; sharply contradict widely held beliefs about health, adult sexual expression. They certainly have nothing to do with the commitment and intimacy that characterize marriage.

There is nothing &quot;hateful&quot; or &quot;prejudiced&quot; in pointing out the obvious.

4) and 5) Well, no. Schools have become hotbeds of PC indoctrination, and any bullying is a result of progressives forcing the issue.

From longitudinal studies, we know that 25-30 percent of teens experience &lt;b&gt;transient&lt;/b&gt; same-sex attractions (what used to be called &quot;crushes&quot; in a saner age). Since those identifying as homosexual are only 2 percent of the population - the vast majority of those kids go on to integrate a normal heterosexual identity.

Or at least they used to - now these innocents have been made grist for the mill of PC indoctrination, and what was once a minor blip of adolescence is now given the full identity-politics treatment.

I don&#039;t think significant numbers will be &quot;turned&quot; to homosexuality - but they are certainly being burdened and defiled with yet another set of hypersexual messages from the adults around them.

It is naive to think of the schools as anything like ideologically neutral ground.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Taking neo&#8217;s assumptions:</p>
<p>1) There is nowhere near that much genetic influence for ANY complex human behavior.</p>
<p>The &#8220;born that way&#8221; claim serves 2 purposes:<br />
&#8211; it sidesteps moral and clinical discussion of the promiscuity that typifies the gay &#8220;community&#8221;<br />
&#8211; with Big Lie propaganda techniques of repetition, it creates a sloppy association between &#8220;occurring in nature&#8221; and &#8220;normal, well-adjusted, healthy&#8221;</p>
<p>2) Your assertion that homosexuality cannot be cured shows that the &#8220;born that way&#8221; propaganda has worked &#8211; at least partially &#8211; on you.</p>
<p>In fact the psychological literature up until the 70s had numerous articles on successful treatment of unwanted homosexual desires. The paper trail dries up abruptly in the mid-70s because that&#8217;s when the activists took over.</p>
<p>Homosexuality is similar to other compulsive/addictive behaviors. It can be treated using the same techniques as for drink, drugs, and eating disorders, with the same success rates.</p>
<p>3) Yes, I agree wholeheartedly. The prevalent patterns of behavior in the gay &#8220;community&#8221; sharply contradict widely held beliefs about health, adult sexual expression. They certainly have nothing to do with the commitment and intimacy that characterize marriage.</p>
<p>There is nothing &#8220;hateful&#8221; or &#8220;prejudiced&#8221; in pointing out the obvious.</p>
<p>4) and 5) Well, no. Schools have become hotbeds of PC indoctrination, and any bullying is a result of progressives forcing the issue.</p>
<p>From longitudinal studies, we know that 25-30 percent of teens experience <b>transient</b> same-sex attractions (what used to be called &#8220;crushes&#8221; in a saner age). Since those identifying as homosexual are only 2 percent of the population &#8211; the vast majority of those kids go on to integrate a normal heterosexual identity.</p>
<p>Or at least they used to &#8211; now these innocents have been made grist for the mill of PC indoctrination, and what was once a minor blip of adolescence is now given the full identity-politics treatment.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think significant numbers will be &#8220;turned&#8221; to homosexuality &#8211; but they are certainly being burdened and defiled with yet another set of hypersexual messages from the adults around them.</p>
<p>It is naive to think of the schools as anything like ideologically neutral ground.</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/10/11/paladino-religion-gay-rights/#comment-191912</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Oct 2010 13:01:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Oblio: &quot;Amy&quot; is a troll of a particularly odious sort.  I kept the comment up rather than erasing it because it illustrates something.

Read what she actually says again (I don&#039;t know if it&#039;s really a &quot;she,&quot; by the way; the comment originates in India---supposedly---but that is a proxy, most likely, used to conceal its true origins, which are unknown).  &quot;Amy&quot; poses as a resident of New York, and says Paladino has lost her.  This, by the way, would be a valid point of view for a gay rights activist, although my guess is that a gay rights activist would be unlikely to be a Paladino supporter in the first place. But then she writes that New Yorkers will remember the faces surrounding him when he gave the hate speech, and that &quot;we&quot; are told to stay out of politics for a reason.

Who is &quot;we?&quot;  Take a look at the video.  Paladino is surrounded by Chasidic Jews.  The troll &quot;Amy&quot; either means Chasidic Jews or, more likely, Jews in general.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oblio: &#8220;Amy&#8221; is a troll of a particularly odious sort.  I kept the comment up rather than erasing it because it illustrates something.</p>
<p>Read what she actually says again (I don&#8217;t know if it&#8217;s really a &#8220;she,&#8221; by the way; the comment originates in India&#8212;supposedly&#8212;but that is a proxy, most likely, used to conceal its true origins, which are unknown).  &#8220;Amy&#8221; poses as a resident of New York, and says Paladino has lost her.  This, by the way, would be a valid point of view for a gay rights activist, although my guess is that a gay rights activist would be unlikely to be a Paladino supporter in the first place. But then she writes that New Yorkers will remember the faces surrounding him when he gave the hate speech, and that &#8220;we&#8221; are told to stay out of politics for a reason.</p>
<p>Who is &#8220;we?&#8221;  Take a look at the video.  Paladino is surrounded by Chasidic Jews.  The troll &#8220;Amy&#8221; either means Chasidic Jews or, more likely, Jews in general.</p>
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		By: Oblio		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/10/11/paladino-religion-gay-rights/#comment-191902</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Oct 2010 11:53:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Amy, is it that you were you positively inclined beforehand, and something about this speech tipped the scales?  Or is it that whatever you disliked about the speech (and there are a number of possibilities) is so overwhelming and disqualifying that it would overcome your otherwise strong support?  This is a long-winded way of asking whether you are a single-issue voter.

In either case, I would be interested in hearing what it means to you for you to take that position.  Obviously, you feel strongly.  Help us understand.

One more question:  who are the &quot;we&quot; who need to stay out of politics?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amy, is it that you were you positively inclined beforehand, and something about this speech tipped the scales?  Or is it that whatever you disliked about the speech (and there are a number of possibilities) is so overwhelming and disqualifying that it would overcome your otherwise strong support?  This is a long-winded way of asking whether you are a single-issue voter.</p>
<p>In either case, I would be interested in hearing what it means to you for you to take that position.  Obviously, you feel strongly.  Help us understand.</p>
<p>One more question:  who are the &#8220;we&#8221; who need to stay out of politics?</p>
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		By: Amy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Amy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Oct 2010 07:35:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[He just lost my vote. When he loses, NYers will remember the faces surrounding him when he gave this hate speech. There is a reason we are told to stay out of politics....]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He just lost my vote. When he loses, NYers will remember the faces surrounding him when he gave this hate speech. There is a reason we are told to stay out of politics&#8230;.</p>
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		By: JTR		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/10/11/paladino-religion-gay-rights/#comment-191847</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JTR]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Oct 2010 06:17:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Tom TRH @ 9:29pm &quot;They are trying to shut down free speech and it’s just about that simple.&quot;

Exactly right. They say people who are &quot;intolerant&quot; should just shut up.  Here&#039;s the problem with that:  Tolerance IMPLIES disapproval.  Tolerance is the condition of acquiescing to to something one doesn&#039;t like.  Simply expressing disapproval doesn&#039;t mean Mr Paladino is intolerant.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom TRH @ 9:29pm &#8220;They are trying to shut down free speech and it’s just about that simple.&#8221;</p>
<p>Exactly right. They say people who are &#8220;intolerant&#8221; should just shut up.  Here&#8217;s the problem with that:  Tolerance IMPLIES disapproval.  Tolerance is the condition of acquiescing to to something one doesn&#8217;t like.  Simply expressing disapproval doesn&#8217;t mean Mr Paladino is intolerant.</p>
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		By: Beverly		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/10/11/paladino-religion-gay-rights/#comment-191819</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Beverly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Oct 2010 02:12:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It might have been this sort of thing Paladino was thinking of when he said he wouldn&#039;t take his children to the gay pride parade:

http://zombietime.com/prop_8_gay_marriage_ruling/

Outside of Manhattan, P-town, etc., such a view is the norm, folks. 

He also said he wasn&#039;t interested in picking on homosexuals, and in fact, I doubt seriously he or any other Republican would persecute them. But it&#039;s not &quot;fair&quot; to make majority of the population bow to the will of 5% when it comes to defining marriage. 

I agree the State should mostly stay out of the issue, pro and con.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It might have been this sort of thing Paladino was thinking of when he said he wouldn&#8217;t take his children to the gay pride parade:</p>
<p><a href="http://zombietime.com/prop_8_gay_marriage_ruling/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://zombietime.com/prop_8_gay_marriage_ruling/</a></p>
<p>Outside of Manhattan, P-town, etc., such a view is the norm, folks. </p>
<p>He also said he wasn&#8217;t interested in picking on homosexuals, and in fact, I doubt seriously he or any other Republican would persecute them. But it&#8217;s not &#8220;fair&#8221; to make majority of the population bow to the will of 5% when it comes to defining marriage. </p>
<p>I agree the State should mostly stay out of the issue, pro and con.</p>
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		By: Tom the Redhunter		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/10/11/paladino-religion-gay-rights/#comment-191805</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom the Redhunter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Oct 2010 01:20:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Laying my cards on the table, I agree with what Paladino said.

But whether one does or not, as many commenters have pointed out, the attack on Paladino is not a criticism of what he said, but an attempt to deny him the right to say it.

The PC left/media is trying to make the subject of homosexuality off-limits to anyone not part of the leftist gay lobby.  

They are trying to shut down free speech and it&#039;s just about that simple.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Laying my cards on the table, I agree with what Paladino said.</p>
<p>But whether one does or not, as many commenters have pointed out, the attack on Paladino is not a criticism of what he said, but an attempt to deny him the right to say it.</p>
<p>The PC left/media is trying to make the subject of homosexuality off-limits to anyone not part of the leftist gay lobby.  </p>
<p>They are trying to shut down free speech and it&#8217;s just about that simple.</p>
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