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		By: Daniel in Brookline		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/10/11/camera-conference-getting-the-word-out-about-israel/#comment-193330</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Daniel in Brookline]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Oct 2010 19:33:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[pat laforce:

I believe you may be conflating two histories here.  I&#039;m not aware of  &quot;Palestinians&quot; settling in Gaza in 800 CE, but I wouldn&#039;t dispute it.  (That was about the right time for Arab settlement in the area, after the wave of conquest under Muhammad and his successors in the mid-seventh century.)

However, I doubt very much that these were &quot;sea-faring peoples&quot;, or that they spoke Greek.  The Philistines were indeed sea-faring, and were called that; and as such I wouldn&#039;t be at all surprised if they had strong connections to Greece etc.  But that was a different era entirely.  (King David&#039;s reign, when the Philistines were at their height -- pun intended -- is usually dated to approximately 1000 BCE.)

It is possible that some remnants of the earlier cultures were still hanging on in Gaza (originally a Philistine area) at the time of the Arab conquest; they would not have survived that conquest intact.

No, the people who today call themselves Palestinians have a relatively uncomplicated ancestry; they are Arabs, descended from the nomadic tribes of Arabia.  They have no blood connection to the Philistines of old, just as there is no real connection anymore between the ancient Egyptian civilization and Egypt&#039;s inhabitants today (who are likewise Arabs).

Of course, the Palestinians like to turn that on its head by claiming that there is no connection between modern-day Jews and biblical Jews.  To that I have a very simple answer.  My father-in-law and brother-in-law are Cohens (in Hebrew, &quot;kohanim&quot;), entitled to be called first to the Torah at any synagogue they attend.  This is an honorific that is passed from father to son, and &lt;b&gt;only&lt;/b&gt; from father to son; there is no other way to achieve that status.

In other words, my father-in-law is a direct descendant, through males only, of the Temple priests in the time of King David -- and thus a direct descendant of Aaron, the brother of Moses.

So far as I know, the Palestinians have no remotely equivalent claim that they can make.

respectfully,
Daniel in Brookline]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>pat laforce:</p>
<p>I believe you may be conflating two histories here.  I&#8217;m not aware of  &#8220;Palestinians&#8221; settling in Gaza in 800 CE, but I wouldn&#8217;t dispute it.  (That was about the right time for Arab settlement in the area, after the wave of conquest under Muhammad and his successors in the mid-seventh century.)</p>
<p>However, I doubt very much that these were &#8220;sea-faring peoples&#8221;, or that they spoke Greek.  The Philistines were indeed sea-faring, and were called that; and as such I wouldn&#8217;t be at all surprised if they had strong connections to Greece etc.  But that was a different era entirely.  (King David&#8217;s reign, when the Philistines were at their height &#8212; pun intended &#8212; is usually dated to approximately 1000 BCE.)</p>
<p>It is possible that some remnants of the earlier cultures were still hanging on in Gaza (originally a Philistine area) at the time of the Arab conquest; they would not have survived that conquest intact.</p>
<p>No, the people who today call themselves Palestinians have a relatively uncomplicated ancestry; they are Arabs, descended from the nomadic tribes of Arabia.  They have no blood connection to the Philistines of old, just as there is no real connection anymore between the ancient Egyptian civilization and Egypt&#8217;s inhabitants today (who are likewise Arabs).</p>
<p>Of course, the Palestinians like to turn that on its head by claiming that there is no connection between modern-day Jews and biblical Jews.  To that I have a very simple answer.  My father-in-law and brother-in-law are Cohens (in Hebrew, &#8220;kohanim&#8221;), entitled to be called first to the Torah at any synagogue they attend.  This is an honorific that is passed from father to son, and <b>only</b> from father to son; there is no other way to achieve that status.</p>
<p>In other words, my father-in-law is a direct descendant, through males only, of the Temple priests in the time of King David &#8212; and thus a direct descendant of Aaron, the brother of Moses.</p>
<p>So far as I know, the Palestinians have no remotely equivalent claim that they can make.</p>
<p>respectfully,<br />
Daniel in Brookline</p>
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		By: The Ozi Zion Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; CAMERA conference on the global campaign to delegitimize Israel&#8221;		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Oct 2010 11:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] summary of the CAMERA conference here included a powerful statement regarding the conference &#8220;Truth is powerful–if you can get [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] summary of the CAMERA conference here included a powerful statement regarding the conference &#8220;Truth is powerful–if you can get [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: pat laforce		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[pat laforce]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Oct 2010 23:49:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I did some lookup about the origins of the &quot;Palestinians&quot;. They  arrived in and settled down in what is now Gaza. Around 800-ish or so CE.  They were referred to as the sea-faring peoples. A (very) few  inscriptions they left from that era seem to be of Mycenean Greek language.  Or Cretan. Very likely they no longer exist as a separate ethnicity after the many waves of conquering and assimilating populations such as the Hittites, Assyrians, Arab Moslems, and Ottoman Moslems.  The Romans did indeed resurrect this label to rename Sudea and Sumeria as some kind of insult to the Jews after the destruction of the 2nd Temple.
Please correct any errors I may have made.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did some lookup about the origins of the &#8220;Palestinians&#8221;. They  arrived in and settled down in what is now Gaza. Around 800-ish or so CE.  They were referred to as the sea-faring peoples. A (very) few  inscriptions they left from that era seem to be of Mycenean Greek language.  Or Cretan. Very likely they no longer exist as a separate ethnicity after the many waves of conquering and assimilating populations such as the Hittites, Assyrians, Arab Moslems, and Ottoman Moslems.  The Romans did indeed resurrect this label to rename Sudea and Sumeria as some kind of insult to the Jews after the destruction of the 2nd Temple.<br />
Please correct any errors I may have made.</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo-neocon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Oct 2010 17:45:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Andrew Brehm: Genocide? Hardly.  There was no attempt to eliminate the Japanese because they were Japanese.  It was done to end the war.  You are using the word way too loosely, although it is not unusual for it to be used that way.  I first heard the term used in that manner back in college, when a friend said that the US was committing genocide in Vietnam.  I argued about it with her then, and I would argue the same way now.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew Brehm: Genocide? Hardly.  There was no attempt to eliminate the Japanese because they were Japanese.  It was done to end the war.  You are using the word way too loosely, although it is not unusual for it to be used that way.  I first heard the term used in that manner back in college, when a friend said that the US was committing genocide in Vietnam.  I argued about it with her then, and I would argue the same way now.</p>
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		By: Andrew Brehm		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrew Brehm]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Oct 2010 11:39:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sergey,

Unambigous sanction from Almighty is easy to get, since every man can easily make up their own Almighty to justify whatever he likes. The days of prophecy are over. Nobody hears the voice of the Almighty any more. But lots of people think they do.

I therefor put it to you that your reasoning is absolute bollux.

And yes, Hiroshima was an act of genocide. No, genocide is never justified.

Hiroshima was necessary, not justified.

There is no justification ever to take another&#039;s life. It is too often necessary but never justified.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sergey,</p>
<p>Unambigous sanction from Almighty is easy to get, since every man can easily make up their own Almighty to justify whatever he likes. The days of prophecy are over. Nobody hears the voice of the Almighty any more. But lots of people think they do.</p>
<p>I therefor put it to you that your reasoning is absolute bollux.</p>
<p>And yes, Hiroshima was an act of genocide. No, genocide is never justified.</p>
<p>Hiroshima was necessary, not justified.</p>
<p>There is no justification ever to take another&#8217;s life. It is too often necessary but never justified.</p>
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		By: Sergey		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/10/11/camera-conference-getting-the-word-out-about-israel/#comment-192124</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sergey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Oct 2010 08:49:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[These were Amalekites who attempted genocide first, and for this crime they deserved a symmetrical response.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These were Amalekites who attempted genocide first, and for this crime they deserved a symmetrical response.</p>
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		By: Sergey		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/10/11/camera-conference-getting-the-word-out-about-israel/#comment-192123</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sergey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Oct 2010 08:43:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Genocide as an ultimate measure of self-defence IS justified in my book. But only with unambiguos sanction from Almighty, and only when all other measures fail. Was nuking of Hiroshima an act of genocide? Yes. Was it justified? Yes.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Genocide as an ultimate measure of self-defence IS justified in my book. But only with unambiguos sanction from Almighty, and only when all other measures fail. Was nuking of Hiroshima an act of genocide? Yes. Was it justified? Yes.</p>
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		By: Bob From Virginia		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/10/11/camera-conference-getting-the-word-out-about-israel/#comment-192043</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob From Virginia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Oct 2010 00:15:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSQnfSfAsPM&#038;feature=sub

Enjoy!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSQnfSfAsPM&#038;feature=sub" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSQnfSfAsPM&#038;feature=sub</a></p>
<p>Enjoy!</p>
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		By: Assistant Village Idiot		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Assistant Village Idiot]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Oct 2010 18:47:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Completely different angle.

I am not finding any record of organisations from the religious left being in attendance at CAMERA.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Completely different angle.</p>
<p>I am not finding any record of organisations from the religious left being in attendance at CAMERA.</p>
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		By: Assistant Village Idiot		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/10/11/camera-conference-getting-the-word-out-about-israel/#comment-191985</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Assistant Village Idiot]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Oct 2010 18:46:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Palestine may stretch back further, to &lt;i&gt;Philistine.&lt;/i&gt;  The etymology is disputed, but at minimum, the Philistines were one of the tribes that occupied the area.

I will add to Daniel and Mo&#039;s comments the information that the absentee landlords were largely from Turkey and Jordan.  The myth of generalised prosperity of the (current) Palestinians in the first half of the 20th C, though widely taught and widely believed, it not supported by evidence.

There are films by the British - news reports mostly - from those times.  Try and get them shown in Palestine now.  Or Britain either, for that matter.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Palestine may stretch back further, to <i>Philistine.</i>  The etymology is disputed, but at minimum, the Philistines were one of the tribes that occupied the area.</p>
<p>I will add to Daniel and Mo&#8217;s comments the information that the absentee landlords were largely from Turkey and Jordan.  The myth of generalised prosperity of the (current) Palestinians in the first half of the 20th C, though widely taught and widely believed, it not supported by evidence.</p>
<p>There are films by the British &#8211; news reports mostly &#8211; from those times.  Try and get them shown in Palestine now.  Or Britain either, for that matter.</p>
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