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		By: IlÃ­on		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/09/28/joe-biden-to-base-stop-whining/#comment-188975</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[IlÃ­on]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Sep 2010 02:22:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;In related news, Obama told a NY fundraiser crowd recently, “Don’t compare us to the Almighty, compare us to the alternative.”&lt;/i&gt;

I initially read that as &quot;&lt;i&gt;... compare us to the alternative ... to the Almighty&lt;/i&gt;&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>In related news, Obama told a NY fundraiser crowd recently, “Don’t compare us to the Almighty, compare us to the alternative.”</i></p>
<p>I initially read that as &#8220;<i>&#8230; compare us to the alternative &#8230; to the Almighty</i>&#8220;</p>
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		By: Artfldgr		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/09/28/joe-biden-to-base-stop-whining/#comment-188833</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Artfldgr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Sep 2010 15:51:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[perfect neo modern T-Shirt comes to mind..

the FU*K ups says BUCK UP!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>perfect neo modern T-Shirt comes to mind..</p>
<p>the FU*K ups says BUCK UP!</p>
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		By: J.J. formerly Jimmy J.		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/09/28/joe-biden-to-base-stop-whining/#comment-188751</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[J.J. formerly Jimmy J.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Sep 2010 02:57:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The Democrats are all trying to infer that the Bush tax cuts were what caused our present deep recession. Makes a nice slogan, but doesn&#039;t hold up in reality. Anyone who has looked closely knows that the recession was the result of  three converging forces. High oil prices, instability in the banking system, and the bursting of the housing market bubble all converged to cause the recession.  None of those causes were related to low tax rates.  It was the Federal Reserve that kept interest rates low for too long that created the housing bubble. High oil prices were the result of demand from China and India coupled with oil speculators who stored oil in offshore depots to hold oil off the market. It was Democratic legislators who, through the Community Reinvestment Act, pushed for sub-prime loans. Those loans were then bundled by the Wall Street banks that led to too much risk in, and the destabilization of, the banking  system.
 
Patty Murray, Rick Larsen, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi and President Obama all believe that the government can solve  our economic problems simply by spending trillions of  government dollars, much of it borrowed money, and then legislating to redistribute income in the name of fairness. In spite of evidence from such countries as Cuba under Castro, Chile under Salvador Allende, Zimbabwe under Mugabe, and others, they believe that state directed economic solutions actually work. Such solutions don&#039;t and won&#039;t unless someone figures out a way to perfect human nature. With so much evidence against state directed economic solutions, isn&#039;t it time we gave up on those tired, failed policies? 
 
The economy is not suffering from too little government spending or too little government interference. It is suffering from a lack of confidence caused by the higher taxes and bigger spending proposed by the Democrats.  

It is a faith in government solutions that is their religion. Just as we must defeat aggressive Islam, we must also defeat this faith in statism.  It is, as betsy bounds states, going to be a long road to travel. But it can be done. Chile did it. Hopefully, we won&#039;t have top resort to a militay coups. 

Five weeks to the election. Can.Not.Wait.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Democrats are all trying to infer that the Bush tax cuts were what caused our present deep recession. Makes a nice slogan, but doesn&#8217;t hold up in reality. Anyone who has looked closely knows that the recession was the result of  three converging forces. High oil prices, instability in the banking system, and the bursting of the housing market bubble all converged to cause the recession.  None of those causes were related to low tax rates.  It was the Federal Reserve that kept interest rates low for too long that created the housing bubble. High oil prices were the result of demand from China and India coupled with oil speculators who stored oil in offshore depots to hold oil off the market. It was Democratic legislators who, through the Community Reinvestment Act, pushed for sub-prime loans. Those loans were then bundled by the Wall Street banks that led to too much risk in, and the destabilization of, the banking  system.</p>
<p>Patty Murray, Rick Larsen, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi and President Obama all believe that the government can solve  our economic problems simply by spending trillions of  government dollars, much of it borrowed money, and then legislating to redistribute income in the name of fairness. In spite of evidence from such countries as Cuba under Castro, Chile under Salvador Allende, Zimbabwe under Mugabe, and others, they believe that state directed economic solutions actually work. Such solutions don&#8217;t and won&#8217;t unless someone figures out a way to perfect human nature. With so much evidence against state directed economic solutions, isn&#8217;t it time we gave up on those tired, failed policies? </p>
<p>The economy is not suffering from too little government spending or too little government interference. It is suffering from a lack of confidence caused by the higher taxes and bigger spending proposed by the Democrats.  </p>
<p>It is a faith in government solutions that is their religion. Just as we must defeat aggressive Islam, we must also defeat this faith in statism.  It is, as betsy bounds states, going to be a long road to travel. But it can be done. Chile did it. Hopefully, we won&#8217;t have top resort to a militay coups. </p>
<p>Five weeks to the election. Can.Not.Wait.</p>
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		By: SteveH		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SteveH]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Sep 2010 02:19:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I recall visiting a renaissance fair just before the 08 election. I will never forget a certain entertainer bashing conservatism and GWB while the crowd cheered. That was the first time i felt that insignificant asses like myself were actually the mature ones that would have to be in charge or America might vanish.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recall visiting a renaissance fair just before the 08 election. I will never forget a certain entertainer bashing conservatism and GWB while the crowd cheered. That was the first time i felt that insignificant asses like myself were actually the mature ones that would have to be in charge or America might vanish.</p>
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		By: betsybounds		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[betsybounds]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Sep 2010 01:21:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Lisa M, and neo too:  I agree.  Garrison Keillor lost me over just this kind of thing.  Too bad, too, because I&#039;d admired him over years.  But, I figured, why should I bother paying attention to someone who regularly insulted me?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lisa M, and neo too:  I agree.  Garrison Keillor lost me over just this kind of thing.  Too bad, too, because I&#8217;d admired him over years.  But, I figured, why should I bother paying attention to someone who regularly insulted me?</p>
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		By: betsybounds		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Sep 2010 01:18:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I agree, Tom, even if we win, the battle won&#039;t be over for a generation.  And that might be optimistic, even if we win.  I&#039;d like to think that my kids might see better times, but I wouldn&#039;t bet anything I couldn&#039;t afford to lose on it.  And that about breaks my heart--first, because they are my kids, and second, because both of them are good, honest, decent, and hard-working people who love their family and their country.

I look at Obama sometimes, on TV (with the mute on--I, like a lot of others both here and elsewhere, can&#039;t stand the sound of his voice), and I wonder to myself, &quot;Who &lt;i&gt;IS&lt;/i&gt; this guy?&quot;  Not in the sense that he&#039;s an enigma (although he is), but in the sense that he&#039;s a total stranger, I don&#039;t even recognize him, he doesn&#039;t even strike me as being a &lt;i&gt;person&lt;/i&gt;.  That may seem a bit thick, but nevertheless.  And I have an accompanying sense sometimes that here we are in this awful mess, and holy cow the presidency of the United States of America is &lt;i&gt;VACANT&lt;/i&gt;.  I tell you what, it&#039;s shudder-inducing.  

I read a piece in the NYT this evening which reported Obama talking about his Christian faith and how he came to it:  http://tinyurl.com/2dnzvdt.  

I suppose, first of all, that he&#039;s talking about it to blunt the notion so many seem to have that he&#039;s a Muslim.  His remarks were in response to a question, but we&#039;ve learned, have we not, to suspect that these questions may be planted.  The question was, &quot;Why are you a Christian?&quot;, put to him at a back-yard home meeting with some people in Albuquerque.  His answer was arresting to me, because I know something about Christianity, being a Christian myself, and having studied the canon of my faith (none of which things makes me any different from a lot of other people, of course).  He said, first, that he is a Christian by choice.  Well, everyone who is a true Christian, is a Christian by choice.  The entire fundamental point of the New Testament teachings is that people must &lt;i&gt;choose&lt;/i&gt; Jesus.  That&#039;s what the Sacrament of Baptism &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt;, the outward sign of the inward choice.  That&#039;s what the altar call is about:  No one is coerced into the statement of faith.  You step forward and you make your stand.  In the presence of witnesses, but by yourself.  Alone.  

He then said that he&#039;d been persuaded of Jesus&#039; precepts that he should be his brother and sister&#039;s keeper.  But this is not what the Christian faith is about, and the only time those words appear in the entire Bible is in Cain&#039;s scornful denial to God that he knew anything about where his brother Abel, whom he had murdered out of jealousy, was:  &quot;Am I my brother&#039;s keeper?&quot;, Cain said.  The words were not an affirmation of anything at all; they were a denial.  They denied brotherhood.  They denied responsibility for murder.  They denied care, concern, or even curiosity.

It&#039;s also important to notice the implicit arrogance in Obama, himself, thinking he is either charged with, or capable of, taking care of his metaphorical brother and sister.  

He then mentioned &quot;treating others as they would treat me,&quot; which seemed to be a sort of fractured reference to the Golden Rule, &quot;Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.&quot;  But it&#039;s not right, and if you read it as he spoke it, grammatically, you have to think he&#039;s talking about vengeance.  Think about it:  &quot;Treating others as they would treat me.&quot;  Some have advanced the possibility that he&#039;s actually motivated by an attempt to avenge European colonialism in Africa.  I do not know, but either he doesn&#039;t know how to make himself clear or he made himself perfectly clear. It&#039;s a puzzle, but in any case he did not say what he appears to have wanted people to think he meant.  

He did, either by accident or design, get it right about Jesus having died for our sins.  After everything else he said, though, I&#039;m not sure what that bit is supposed to persuade us of.  

It was, all-in-all, a strange little exchange.  It&#039;s easy to read too much into these things, but anyway one wonders what kind of con this guy might be trying to pull.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, Tom, even if we win, the battle won&#8217;t be over for a generation.  And that might be optimistic, even if we win.  I&#8217;d like to think that my kids might see better times, but I wouldn&#8217;t bet anything I couldn&#8217;t afford to lose on it.  And that about breaks my heart&#8211;first, because they are my kids, and second, because both of them are good, honest, decent, and hard-working people who love their family and their country.</p>
<p>I look at Obama sometimes, on TV (with the mute on&#8211;I, like a lot of others both here and elsewhere, can&#8217;t stand the sound of his voice), and I wonder to myself, &#8220;Who <i>IS</i> this guy?&#8221;  Not in the sense that he&#8217;s an enigma (although he is), but in the sense that he&#8217;s a total stranger, I don&#8217;t even recognize him, he doesn&#8217;t even strike me as being a <i>person</i>.  That may seem a bit thick, but nevertheless.  And I have an accompanying sense sometimes that here we are in this awful mess, and holy cow the presidency of the United States of America is <i>VACANT</i>.  I tell you what, it&#8217;s shudder-inducing.  </p>
<p>I read a piece in the NYT this evening which reported Obama talking about his Christian faith and how he came to it:  <a href="http://tinyurl.com/2dnzvdt" rel="nofollow ugc">http://tinyurl.com/2dnzvdt</a>.  </p>
<p>I suppose, first of all, that he&#8217;s talking about it to blunt the notion so many seem to have that he&#8217;s a Muslim.  His remarks were in response to a question, but we&#8217;ve learned, have we not, to suspect that these questions may be planted.  The question was, &#8220;Why are you a Christian?&#8221;, put to him at a back-yard home meeting with some people in Albuquerque.  His answer was arresting to me, because I know something about Christianity, being a Christian myself, and having studied the canon of my faith (none of which things makes me any different from a lot of other people, of course).  He said, first, that he is a Christian by choice.  Well, everyone who is a true Christian, is a Christian by choice.  The entire fundamental point of the New Testament teachings is that people must <i>choose</i> Jesus.  That&#8217;s what the Sacrament of Baptism <i>is</i>, the outward sign of the inward choice.  That&#8217;s what the altar call is about:  No one is coerced into the statement of faith.  You step forward and you make your stand.  In the presence of witnesses, but by yourself.  Alone.  </p>
<p>He then said that he&#8217;d been persuaded of Jesus&#8217; precepts that he should be his brother and sister&#8217;s keeper.  But this is not what the Christian faith is about, and the only time those words appear in the entire Bible is in Cain&#8217;s scornful denial to God that he knew anything about where his brother Abel, whom he had murdered out of jealousy, was:  &#8220;Am I my brother&#8217;s keeper?&#8221;, Cain said.  The words were not an affirmation of anything at all; they were a denial.  They denied brotherhood.  They denied responsibility for murder.  They denied care, concern, or even curiosity.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s also important to notice the implicit arrogance in Obama, himself, thinking he is either charged with, or capable of, taking care of his metaphorical brother and sister.  </p>
<p>He then mentioned &#8220;treating others as they would treat me,&#8221; which seemed to be a sort of fractured reference to the Golden Rule, &#8220;Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.&#8221;  But it&#8217;s not right, and if you read it as he spoke it, grammatically, you have to think he&#8217;s talking about vengeance.  Think about it:  &#8220;Treating others as they would treat me.&#8221;  Some have advanced the possibility that he&#8217;s actually motivated by an attempt to avenge European colonialism in Africa.  I do not know, but either he doesn&#8217;t know how to make himself clear or he made himself perfectly clear. It&#8217;s a puzzle, but in any case he did not say what he appears to have wanted people to think he meant.  </p>
<p>He did, either by accident or design, get it right about Jesus having died for our sins.  After everything else he said, though, I&#8217;m not sure what that bit is supposed to persuade us of.  </p>
<p>It was, all-in-all, a strange little exchange.  It&#8217;s easy to read too much into these things, but anyway one wonders what kind of con this guy might be trying to pull.</p>
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		By: Nolanimrod		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nolanimrod]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Sep 2010 01:16:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ogden Kaufman?]]></description>
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		By: LisaM		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LisaM]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Sep 2010 00:58:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Neo - I&#039;ve read your past post and it captured my feelings exactly.  I was reading a book and the author threw in a gratuitous insult of Republicans.  I thought to myself that it felt like being slapped across the face. I also never bought another of his books.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neo &#8211; I&#8217;ve read your past post and it captured my feelings exactly.  I was reading a book and the author threw in a gratuitous insult of Republicans.  I thought to myself that it felt like being slapped across the face. I also never bought another of his books.</p>
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		By: Mike Mc.		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Mc.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Sep 2010 20:53:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[SteveH,

Joe Biden absolutely has a sinister heart.

Ask Robert Bork. Calculated double cross.

He&#039;s no good as a human being. He&#039;s just not. He is a vicious adder. You haven&#039;t been paying attention.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SteveH,</p>
<p>Joe Biden absolutely has a sinister heart.</p>
<p>Ask Robert Bork. Calculated double cross.</p>
<p>He&#8217;s no good as a human being. He&#8217;s just not. He is a vicious adder. You haven&#8217;t been paying attention.</p>
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		By: SteveH		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SteveH]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Sep 2010 20:27:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Joe Biden has to be the most likable dem to me for some reason. Even though he&#039;s 180 degrees wrong on every single issue, I don&#039;t get the impression he has a sinister heart. Maybe his sheer stupidity triggers empathy or something.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe Biden has to be the most likable dem to me for some reason. Even though he&#8217;s 180 degrees wrong on every single issue, I don&#8217;t get the impression he has a sinister heart. Maybe his sheer stupidity triggers empathy or something.</p>
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