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		By: Assistant Village Idiot		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/09/23/taking-the-pledge-to-america/#comment-187893</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Sep 2010 17:46:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[njartist49 - &quot;What is needed is the recreation of the Republican Party...&quot;

You can guess how I misread that at first.  More recreation, that&#039;s what I say.

And that may indeed be the key.  PJ O&#039;Rourke claims that in America, whoever has the most fun at politics tends to win.  Because our opponents seem to enjoy their anger, actually seek it out, we forget that it&#039;s fun for them (Gad, what sickos).  Contrast that to everyone having a good time with pleasant people at Tea Parties.  Ticked? Sure.  Enraged? Hell no, we&#039;re lovin&#039; it.  

Don&#039;t hunker down angry.  Rise up cheering.  We knock off as many as we can this round.  Then we come back for more.  We should be grateful they put out as many good targets for us as they have. Pour me another Guinness.  (Or perhaps something more retro would be better, such as a stiffish brandy-and-soda or an Old Fashioned)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>njartist49 &#8211; &#8220;What is needed is the recreation of the Republican Party&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>You can guess how I misread that at first.  More recreation, that&#8217;s what I say.</p>
<p>And that may indeed be the key.  PJ O&#8217;Rourke claims that in America, whoever has the most fun at politics tends to win.  Because our opponents seem to enjoy their anger, actually seek it out, we forget that it&#8217;s fun for them (Gad, what sickos).  Contrast that to everyone having a good time with pleasant people at Tea Parties.  Ticked? Sure.  Enraged? Hell no, we&#8217;re lovin&#8217; it.  </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t hunker down angry.  Rise up cheering.  We knock off as many as we can this round.  Then we come back for more.  We should be grateful they put out as many good targets for us as they have. Pour me another Guinness.  (Or perhaps something more retro would be better, such as a stiffish brandy-and-soda or an Old Fashioned)</p>
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		By: SteveH		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Sep 2010 16:08:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;d just like to point out what a breath of fresh air it is to here people like Paul Ryan and Eric Cantor speak. My God we&#039;ve been so inundated these past two years with so many dysunctional creeps and idiots in politics, i was beginning to wonder if normal people still existed. Pound away at em boys!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d just like to point out what a breath of fresh air it is to here people like Paul Ryan and Eric Cantor speak. My God we&#8217;ve been so inundated these past two years with so many dysunctional creeps and idiots in politics, i was beginning to wonder if normal people still existed. Pound away at em boys!</p>
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		By: betsybounds		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Sep 2010 14:48:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Re: the Murkowski Crack-Up, have a look at this.  It is hilarious:

http://www.itsnotyourseatlisa.com/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: the Murkowski Crack-Up, have a look at this.  It is hilarious:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.itsnotyourseatlisa.com/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.itsnotyourseatlisa.com/</a></p>
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		By: CDM		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/09/23/taking-the-pledge-to-america/#comment-187871</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Sep 2010 13:42:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the good discussion everyone. :)

betsybounds, I truly hope that people are beginning to pine for freedom.  I know the Tea Party is.

I&#039;ve seen too much apathy in politics to have faith in the American people fighting for it, though.  I see this whole period of massive public outrage as temporary.

Terrye: &lt;i&gt;Actually, I kind of liked it and while it is true that the Republicans need to earn back the trust of the voters, it is also true that they never sucked as bad as the people running the show right now.&lt;/i&gt;

This attitude &lt;b&gt;earned&lt;/b&gt; us what we&#039;ve gotten over the past 40 years.  Sorry if I&#039;m jumping on you unfairly.  After being disappointed in 1994, and having hopes in 2000, I&#039;m afraid the &quot;they&#039;re better than the other guys&quot; attitude is really going to screw us another time.

It hurts to see all this rage and hard-won attention turning into nothing more than &quot;Meh.  It&#039;s a start.  Better than the other guys.&quot;

Who knows, I could be dead wrong, maybe we&#039;re able to sustain this kind of political pressure 2 years from now.  I don&#039;t think it&#039;s possible that far removed from Obama/Pelosi/Reid&#039;s lawmaking-spree, but I pray that my thinking is wrong.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the good discussion everyone. 🙂</p>
<p>betsybounds, I truly hope that people are beginning to pine for freedom.  I know the Tea Party is.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve seen too much apathy in politics to have faith in the American people fighting for it, though.  I see this whole period of massive public outrage as temporary.</p>
<p>Terrye: <i>Actually, I kind of liked it and while it is true that the Republicans need to earn back the trust of the voters, it is also true that they never sucked as bad as the people running the show right now.</i></p>
<p>This attitude <b>earned</b> us what we&#8217;ve gotten over the past 40 years.  Sorry if I&#8217;m jumping on you unfairly.  After being disappointed in 1994, and having hopes in 2000, I&#8217;m afraid the &#8220;they&#8217;re better than the other guys&#8221; attitude is really going to screw us another time.</p>
<p>It hurts to see all this rage and hard-won attention turning into nothing more than &#8220;Meh.  It&#8217;s a start.  Better than the other guys.&#8221;</p>
<p>Who knows, I could be dead wrong, maybe we&#8217;re able to sustain this kind of political pressure 2 years from now.  I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s possible that far removed from Obama/Pelosi/Reid&#8217;s lawmaking-spree, but I pray that my thinking is wrong.</p>
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		By: Terrye		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Sep 2010 11:01:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Needless to say the pundits just had to start complaining about it. It was too general, it was not general enough, it was too long, it was not long enough.

blah blah

Actually, I kind of liked it and while it is true that the Republicans need to earn back the trust of the voters, it is also true that they never sucked as bad as the people running the show right now.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Needless to say the pundits just had to start complaining about it. It was too general, it was not general enough, it was too long, it was not long enough.</p>
<p>blah blah</p>
<p>Actually, I kind of liked it and while it is true that the Republicans need to earn back the trust of the voters, it is also true that they never sucked as bad as the people running the show right now.</p>
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		By: betsybounds		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Sep 2010 03:02:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[CDM,  you make excellent points, and the truth is that I don&#039;t know the answers to your questions.  

I &lt;i&gt;will&lt;/i&gt; say, though, that thus has it ever been.  I&#039;m not persuaded that the Republicans&#039; solutions are in demand.  I don&#039;t think anyone, at this point, knows what those solutions even &lt;i&gt;are&lt;/i&gt;, and that&#039;s despite the new program.  But that probably doesn&#039;t matter, as I&#039;ve suggested.  

And I&#039;m pretty sure that the Democrats&#039; solutions are &lt;i&gt;NOT&lt;/i&gt; in demand. 

I&#039;m not sure that I agree that the right focus is the economy.  A couple of years ago, I went with some friends here in town to an early Tea Party rally, and people were exercised about government spending.  I said then, to a number of people at the rally, that we need to remember that it&#039;s only &lt;i&gt;incidentally&lt;/i&gt; about the spending.  The truth is, then as now, that it&#039;s about the &lt;i&gt;freedom&lt;/i&gt;. 

I think people know this, and I think that at some elemental level, they are prepared to act on it.   I think they know it goes beyond the economy.  The economy is for sure a marker, but it&#039;s only a marker.   &quot;Taxed enough already&quot; ultimately, and taken to its logical conclusion, means &quot;No longer free.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CDM,  you make excellent points, and the truth is that I don&#8217;t know the answers to your questions.  </p>
<p>I <i>will</i> say, though, that thus has it ever been.  I&#8217;m not persuaded that the Republicans&#8217; solutions are in demand.  I don&#8217;t think anyone, at this point, knows what those solutions even <i>are</i>, and that&#8217;s despite the new program.  But that probably doesn&#8217;t matter, as I&#8217;ve suggested.  </p>
<p>And I&#8217;m pretty sure that the Democrats&#8217; solutions are <i>NOT</i> in demand. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure that I agree that the right focus is the economy.  A couple of years ago, I went with some friends here in town to an early Tea Party rally, and people were exercised about government spending.  I said then, to a number of people at the rally, that we need to remember that it&#8217;s only <i>incidentally</i> about the spending.  The truth is, then as now, that it&#8217;s about the <i>freedom</i>. </p>
<p>I think people know this, and I think that at some elemental level, they are prepared to act on it.   I think they know it goes beyond the economy.  The economy is for sure a marker, but it&#8217;s only a marker.   &#8220;Taxed enough already&#8221; ultimately, and taken to its logical conclusion, means &#8220;No longer free.&#8221;</p>
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		By: J.J. formerly Jimmy J.		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Sep 2010 02:54:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[betsy bounds, I agree with you. Even if the Repubs took both the Senate and the House, it would still be difficult to enact many of the items in the  Pledge. It seems there are a lot of people who think the Repubs can just take over and cram HCR repeal, lower spending, lower taxes, reform of Medicare, reform of Social Security, etc. down the throats of the left and Obama.  Much as we would like to see that happen, short of a military coups, nothing dramatic is going to happen right away.  Obama still has the veto pen, the MSM, and the netroots in his corner. He is not helpless. This is going to be trench warfare. 

What we TEA Partiers and those of like mind have to do is keep the pressure on.  We all know the e-mail addresses of our  representatives. We know their fax numbers and their telephone numbers. We know where their local offices are and how to contact them and picket them. These have to be our weapons for keeping the pressure on. I am dreaming that in January I will be able to send  faxes or e-mails to John Koster and Dino Rossi and know that they may actually read them. 

The Pledge may not be all that people hoped for, but I don&#039;t want to make the perfect the enemy of the possible.  Gallup says there are 44% Democrats, 40% Republicans and 16% Independents. Republicans cannot govern unless at least 11% of the Independents buy into their program.  It is hard to accept but those are the statistics.  

kaba, I&#039;m with you, but all that you outline will take time and can only be done in steps. So many agencies, bureaus, and departments that need to be done away with. Each one, however, has a vocal constituency that will fight very hard against change. I  would like to see a reform of Social Security that would change the way benfits are calculated. Doing that and gradually increasing the retirement ages would make a big difference.
I don&#039;t know if Medicare has a solution other than means testing. Getting serious about stopping fraud would help, but it&#039;s not the full answer.  There are  77 years of New Deal, Great Society, and other Progressive programs to deal with. It&#039;s going to be a long slog.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>betsy bounds, I agree with you. Even if the Repubs took both the Senate and the House, it would still be difficult to enact many of the items in the  Pledge. It seems there are a lot of people who think the Repubs can just take over and cram HCR repeal, lower spending, lower taxes, reform of Medicare, reform of Social Security, etc. down the throats of the left and Obama.  Much as we would like to see that happen, short of a military coups, nothing dramatic is going to happen right away.  Obama still has the veto pen, the MSM, and the netroots in his corner. He is not helpless. This is going to be trench warfare. </p>
<p>What we TEA Partiers and those of like mind have to do is keep the pressure on.  We all know the e-mail addresses of our  representatives. We know their fax numbers and their telephone numbers. We know where their local offices are and how to contact them and picket them. These have to be our weapons for keeping the pressure on. I am dreaming that in January I will be able to send  faxes or e-mails to John Koster and Dino Rossi and know that they may actually read them. </p>
<p>The Pledge may not be all that people hoped for, but I don&#8217;t want to make the perfect the enemy of the possible.  Gallup says there are 44% Democrats, 40% Republicans and 16% Independents. Republicans cannot govern unless at least 11% of the Independents buy into their program.  It is hard to accept but those are the statistics.  </p>
<p>kaba, I&#8217;m with you, but all that you outline will take time and can only be done in steps. So many agencies, bureaus, and departments that need to be done away with. Each one, however, has a vocal constituency that will fight very hard against change. I  would like to see a reform of Social Security that would change the way benfits are calculated. Doing that and gradually increasing the retirement ages would make a big difference.<br />
I don&#8217;t know if Medicare has a solution other than means testing. Getting serious about stopping fraud would help, but it&#8217;s not the full answer.  There are  77 years of New Deal, Great Society, and other Progressive programs to deal with. It&#8217;s going to be a long slog.</p>
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		By: Daniel in Brookline		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Sep 2010 02:32:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have a feeling that the serious Tea Party organizers (I hesitate to say &quot;leaders&quot;), and candidates, will pay just as much attention to this as they have to.

Their job right now is to get elected.  The Republican leadership has offered precious little help... and I suspect the candidates know all too well who their true friends are.

No doubt we will get some weathervanes and turncoats; we always do.  But hopefully we&#039;ll get some serious, righteous people who mean it when they say &quot;Taxed Enough Already&quot;.

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Daniel in Brookline
(go, Sean Bielat!)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a feeling that the serious Tea Party organizers (I hesitate to say &#8220;leaders&#8221;), and candidates, will pay just as much attention to this as they have to.</p>
<p>Their job right now is to get elected.  The Republican leadership has offered precious little help&#8230; and I suspect the candidates know all too well who their true friends are.</p>
<p>No doubt we will get some weathervanes and turncoats; we always do.  But hopefully we&#8217;ll get some serious, righteous people who mean it when they say &#8220;Taxed Enough Already&#8221;.</p>
<p>respectfully,<br />
Daniel in Brookline<br />
(go, Sean Bielat!)</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Sep 2010 02:29:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;betsybounds Says:
Well, I don’t know. I’m in favor of gutsy and strong as much as the next person, but it occurs to me that what we need to do is think strategically. With that in mind, the first thing we need to do is stop the Democrats, get them the hell out of there. The rest will only matter if and when that is done.&lt;/i&gt;

I agree with you 100%, up until &quot;first thing we need to do...&quot; -- which, of course I agree with that, too, but here&#039;s the rub: That will happen, almost regardless of what the Republicans do.

The Democratic party is locked in with corruption.  Their policy answers end up like ObamaCare - overreach coupled with &lt;i&gt;terrible&lt;/i&gt; sausage-making.  And it misses the right focus, which is the economy.

Their economic solutions are &lt;i&gt;worse&lt;/i&gt;.  More taxes?  More bailouts?  &lt;i&gt;Seriously?&lt;/i&gt;

The only thing Americans &lt;i&gt;really&lt;/i&gt; care about right now is the economy.  And none of the traditional Democratic solutions are going to satiate that, rather, they&#039;re going to piss everyone off more.

So the Republicans are back in November, and at worse we get political deadlock.  Assuming the economy doesn&#039;t magically fix itself in 2 years, 2012 will be another wave.

So I go back to the original point.  Republicans have huge momentum right now, and their solutions are in demand.  Why are we beating around the bush?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>betsybounds Says:<br />
Well, I don’t know. I’m in favor of gutsy and strong as much as the next person, but it occurs to me that what we need to do is think strategically. With that in mind, the first thing we need to do is stop the Democrats, get them the hell out of there. The rest will only matter if and when that is done.</i></p>
<p>I agree with you 100%, up until &#8220;first thing we need to do&#8230;&#8221; &#8212; which, of course I agree with that, too, but here&#8217;s the rub: That will happen, almost regardless of what the Republicans do.</p>
<p>The Democratic party is locked in with corruption.  Their policy answers end up like ObamaCare &#8211; overreach coupled with <i>terrible</i> sausage-making.  And it misses the right focus, which is the economy.</p>
<p>Their economic solutions are <i>worse</i>.  More taxes?  More bailouts?  <i>Seriously?</i></p>
<p>The only thing Americans <i>really</i> care about right now is the economy.  And none of the traditional Democratic solutions are going to satiate that, rather, they&#8217;re going to piss everyone off more.</p>
<p>So the Republicans are back in November, and at worse we get political deadlock.  Assuming the economy doesn&#8217;t magically fix itself in 2 years, 2012 will be another wave.</p>
<p>So I go back to the original point.  Republicans have huge momentum right now, and their solutions are in demand.  Why are we beating around the bush?</p>
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		By: betsybounds		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Sep 2010 02:15:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[When I say we need to start, after winning the elections (! ?), with chucking the health-care bill down the rat-hole, I mean that to be part of letting the dust settle.  

As we used to say when I was a kid and things needed to be done again, &quot;we have to take it over.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I say we need to start, after winning the elections (! ?), with chucking the health-care bill down the rat-hole, I mean that to be part of letting the dust settle.  </p>
<p>As we used to say when I was a kid and things needed to be done again, &#8220;we have to take it over.&#8221;</p>
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