You may be thinking that IF there was a significant difference between the long-form birth certificate and the short-form birth certificate, then he would pick the one that was to his advantage.

However, I have looked at samples of each and the only significant difference is that the long form shows the hospital and the doctor and the short-form doesn’t. There is nothing about religion, nor does the long form go into details on parents or anything else.

Another major difference, of course, is that the long-form birth certificate is no longer the official birth certificate. The short-form Certification is the official birth certificate.

In any case, we know that Obama asked Hawaii for a copy of his birth certificate in 2007, almost certainly because he lost or could not lay his hands on the original. And we know that Hawaii sent him the Certification, and we know that the Certification shows that he was born in Hawaii and that the officials in Hawaii have said repeatedly that the original did too. Hawaii does not send out copies of the original anymore, so that is why it sent the Certification to Obama. And Hawaii has given no indication of changing its rules on this, so that is all that it is likely to send. BUT, if it did change its rules, the original would say just what the Certification says, that Obama was born in Hawaii, as the officials and the governor, and this witness (http://www.buffalonews.com/incoming/article137495.ece) all have said.

“Answer: When people ask for copies of their birth certificates and their families had had original copies of their birth certificate, the reason in virtually all cases is because they lost or cannot lay their hands on the original. That is one of the major reasons states maintain birth certificate files, so that people who have lost their originals can get birth certificates.”

In other words, you chose a long winded way of saying you had no back up for claiming Obamboozler had lost his – if in fact he ever had it to begin with – but couldn’t bring yourself to admit it.

Answer: When people ask for copies of their birth certificates and their families had had original copies of their birth certificate, the reason in virtually all cases is because they lost or cannot lay their hands on the original. That is one of the major reasons states maintain birth certificate files, so that people who have lost their originals can get birth certificates.

Re: “For the record, at 45 years old (to be 46 next week) I still have mine. It’s one of those documents that most people realize is, ya know, kind of important.”

Answer: Well bully for you. I’m one of the people who lost my original, although I also knew that it was important. Still, no great harm, I got a copy from my state. It was a short-form birth certificate, not a photocopy of the original, but it worked fine.

LOL…believe me, I would never suggest you were an apologist for Obama.

The interview could very well have been a simple slip of the tongue, not denying that.

But I am afraid I disagree and don’t buy into the idea he was doing any self-referencing – even allowing for the possibility of it being just a method of debate or whatever – in order to make a larger point.

I think there were things bouncing around in his head and he misspoke.

Now whether he misspoke because he was trying too hard to make the point he wasn’t muslim, or if it was because in his heart he still sees himself as a muslim….well, that’s what has so many people scratching their heads.

If you look at the transcript, you’ll see that Obama is focusing on his message in that passage. He doesn’t realize the “my Muslim faith” comment will go viral (that’s his true error); he hears Stephanopoulos correct him and he just repeats after him something like “yeah, yeah whatever; but what I’m really trying to say is that McCain hasn’t suggested I’m a Muslim.”

And that was what he really was trying to say, IMHO. And believe me, I’m no apologist for Obama. But I think people read way too much into this particular exchange.

“His phrase is the same as if I were discussing the false accusations against me of racism, and I were to say, “So-and-so has never talked about my racism.” Would that mean I was conceding that I was racist? Of course not. Nor was Obama conceding (or slipping up and admitting) that he was a Muslim.”

I think I understand the point you are trying to make, but I respectfully disagree.

The reason I disagree is that Stephanopoulos corrected him on his “Christian faith” at the time and Obama quickly shifted and accepted the correction without any effort at presenting an alternative explanation for his words.

He acted as if he had simply misspoken.

Furthermore, the phase “my muslim faith” was part of a longer statement he was attempting to make, and you can see from the transcript that he had continued on with another sentence immediately afterwards, which is when Stephanopoulos interjected the correction.

It was clear from how Stephanopoulos reacted that he did not expect Obama to correct himself and was practically falling over himself to help Obama out of his latest verbal gaffe.

I’m going to give Stephanopoulos credit for knowing better what Obama was going to say than you or I would, from looking at the tape.

The reason I would say this is because I’m sure they had more time to chat and become acquainted prior to the interview, giving Stephanopoulos more insight into how Obama typically spoke and answered questions.

Had he been going down the path you suggest, I do suspect Stephanopoulos would have helped pave the way for him in the interview to clarify that point.

Obama’s answer itself is a bit tangled up, but in the end he’s actually saying the McCain campaign was not questioning his religious beliefs.

That being the case, it would be a bit odd for him to take the approach you suggested.

The transcript:

STEPHANOPOULOS: You mention your Christian faith. Yesterday you took off after the Republicans for suggesting you have Muslim connections. Just a few minutes ago, Rick Davis, John McCain’s campaign manager, said they’ve never done that. This is a false and cynical attempt to play victim.

OBAMA: You know what? I mean, these guys love to throw a rock and hide their hand. The…

STEPHANOPOULOS: The McCain campaign has never suggested you have Muslim connections.

OBAMA: No, no, no. But the – I don’t think that when you look at what is being promulgated on Fox News, let’s say, and Republican commentators who are closely allied to these folks—

STEPHANOPOULOS: But John McCain said that’s wrong.

OBAMA: Now, well, look. Listen. You and I both know that the minute that Governor Palin was forced to talk about her daughter, I immediately said that’s off limits. And—

STEPHANOPOULOS: But John McCain said the same thing about questioning your faith.

OBAMA: And what was the first thing the McCain?s campaign went out and did? They said, look, these liberal blogs that support Obama are out there attacking Governor Palin.

Let’s not play games. What I was suggesting – you’re absolutely right that John McCain has not talked about my Muslim faith. And you’re absolutely right that that has not come—

STEPHANOPOULOS: Christian faith.

OBAMA: – my Christian faith. Well, what I’m saying is that he hasn’t suggested—

STEPHANOPOULOS: Has connections, right.

OBAMA: – that I’m a Muslim. And I think that his campaign’s upper echelons have not, either.

I find the moment when the little darlings realize their dear leader has feet of clay to be so very enjoyable.

😀

His phrase is the same as if I were discussing the false accusations against me of racism, and I were to say, “So-and-so has never talked about my racism.” Would that mean I was conceding that I was racist? Of course not. Nor was Obama conceding (or slipping up and admitting) that he was a Muslim.

So the quote is not a smoking gun.

Even Snopes admits it was an error rather than a joke, and here they try to explain the reason Obama made it.

If you look at the video of the original slip-up, there is no hint of a joke:

“Re: The 57 states. It was a joke. A joke, and you are too dense to see that Obama was joking.”

If it was a joke then why did they try to backpeddle off of it and explain it away as fatigue? Hell, even snopes had to admit he’d made a mistake – and for them that’s quite a stretch.

Personally, I don’t think he’s familiar enough with US history to know such a simple fact – but he certainly can recite a muslim prayer I understand….

Hmmm, was the reference to “my muslim faith” a similar attempt at humor?