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		By: Occam's Beard		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/08/18/judge-walker-and-the-evidence/#comment-181369</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Occam's Beard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Aug 2010 03:39:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Wayne, any chance that this ruling could affect you personally? Is that even remotely within the realm of possibility?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wayne, any chance that this ruling could affect you personally? Is that even remotely within the realm of possibility?</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/08/18/judge-walker-and-the-evidence/#comment-181360</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo-neocon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Aug 2010 02:49:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Wayne: It is actually &lt;i&gt;your&lt;/i&gt; twisted rendition, although unfortunately that rendition may fool quite a few people.  At any rate, this post is not about &lt;i&gt;my&lt;/i&gt; rendition, it is about the rendition of Ed Whelan, &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M._Edward_Whelan_III&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;whose credentials&lt;/a&gt; establish his bona fides as a legal authority (although I am relatively certain you will discount them, since he is a conservative).

Moreover, I happen to have worked in the field of social science research, and have a graduate level degree that required me to learn a great deal about it.  Social science research is inadequate to the task of proving or disproving what effect same sex marriage has on society, and certainly not enough time has elapsed in any country to have relevant long-term data on the question anyway.  For what it&#039;s worth, however (and I don&#039;t think any of the evidence pro or con is worth much), there is evidence (not introduced at trial, as far as I know) that gay marriage does have a negative effect on the institution of marriage in general (see &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/003/660zypwj.asp&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt;). 


Furthermore, I&#039;m not even against gay marriage.  I am for the right of each state to regulate it as it sees fit, and I&#039;ve stated that in other posts on the subject.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wayne: It is actually <i>your</i> twisted rendition, although unfortunately that rendition may fool quite a few people.  At any rate, this post is not about <i>my</i> rendition, it is about the rendition of Ed Whelan, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M._Edward_Whelan_III" rel="nofollow">whose credentials</a> establish his bona fides as a legal authority (although I am relatively certain you will discount them, since he is a conservative).</p>
<p>Moreover, I happen to have worked in the field of social science research, and have a graduate level degree that required me to learn a great deal about it.  Social science research is inadequate to the task of proving or disproving what effect same sex marriage has on society, and certainly not enough time has elapsed in any country to have relevant long-term data on the question anyway.  For what it&#8217;s worth, however (and I don&#8217;t think any of the evidence pro or con is worth much), there is evidence (not introduced at trial, as far as I know) that gay marriage does have a negative effect on the institution of marriage in general (see <a href="http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/003/660zypwj.asp" rel="nofollow">this</a>). </p>
<p>Furthermore, I&#8217;m not even against gay marriage.  I am for the right of each state to regulate it as it sees fit, and I&#8217;ve stated that in other posts on the subject.</p>
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		By: Wayne		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/08/18/judge-walker-and-the-evidence/#comment-181346</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wayne]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Aug 2010 01:30:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[.....your twisted rendition fools no one.....there was NO evidence produced by the proponents to back their claim of &quot;social and scientific studies&quot; documenting the harms associated with gay marriage and it was to that fraudulent misrepresentation made by the proponents that Walker was inquiring. While lawyers may argue Blackstone&#039;s legal precepts, those precepts are not cast in stone and do not reflect the changes and evolution described by Walker and premised upon the research and Evidence offered by the plaintiff&#039;s experts. The proponents really missed the thrust of this case.....while the challengers carefully showed the evolution which has occured in marriage, the proponents were quoting a 1750&#039;s English Jurist......really bright argument to make!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;..your twisted rendition fools no one&#8230;..there was NO evidence produced by the proponents to back their claim of &#8220;social and scientific studies&#8221; documenting the harms associated with gay marriage and it was to that fraudulent misrepresentation made by the proponents that Walker was inquiring. While lawyers may argue Blackstone&#8217;s legal precepts, those precepts are not cast in stone and do not reflect the changes and evolution described by Walker and premised upon the research and Evidence offered by the plaintiff&#8217;s experts. The proponents really missed the thrust of this case&#8230;..while the challengers carefully showed the evolution which has occured in marriage, the proponents were quoting a 1750&#8217;s English Jurist&#8230;&#8230;really bright argument to make!</p>
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		By: Richard Romano		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/08/18/judge-walker-and-the-evidence/#comment-180461</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Romano]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Aug 2010 06:05:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Read the post from &#039;mythusmage&#039; -- it is to laugh.  Principled objection is now bigotry, according to him/her.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Read the post from &#8216;mythusmage&#8217; &#8212; it is to laugh.  Principled objection is now bigotry, according to him/her.</p>
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		By: Oh Them Awful Faggots &#124; Mythusmage Opines		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/08/18/judge-walker-and-the-evidence/#comment-180443</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Oh Them Awful Faggots &#124; Mythusmage Opines]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Aug 2010 04:32:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] neo-neocon » Blog Archive » Judge Walker and the evidence. [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] neo-neocon » Blog Archive » Judge Walker and the evidence. [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Occam's Beard		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/08/18/judge-walker-and-the-evidence/#comment-180406</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Occam's Beard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Aug 2010 01:25:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Occam’s Beard: wife of the female persuasion.&lt;/i&gt;

Imagine.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Occam’s Beard: wife of the female persuasion.</i></p>
<p>Imagine.</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/08/18/judge-walker-and-the-evidence/#comment-180292</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo-neocon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Aug 2010 18:01:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Occam&#039;s Beard: wife of the female persuasion.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Occam&#8217;s Beard: wife of the female persuasion.</p>
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		By: Occam's Beard		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/08/18/judge-walker-and-the-evidence/#comment-180271</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Occam's Beard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Aug 2010 17:00:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;I also read somewhere (don’t have time to find the link right now) that his new wife is a liberal Democrat. &lt;/i&gt;

I&#039;m afraid to ask, but is that...uh...&quot;wife-wife&quot; or &quot;sorta wife, by some people&#039;s reckoning?&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I also read somewhere (don’t have time to find the link right now) that his new wife is a liberal Democrat. </i></p>
<p>I&#8217;m afraid to ask, but is that&#8230;uh&#8230;&#8221;wife-wife&#8221; or &#8220;sorta wife, by some people&#8217;s reckoning?&#8221;</p>
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		By: Occam's Beard		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/08/18/judge-walker-and-the-evidence/#comment-180268</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Occam's Beard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Aug 2010 16:59:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;It is all a manifestation of extreme narcissism.&lt;/i&gt;

expat, precisely. Think Hollywood &lt;strike&gt;scum &lt;/strike&gt; celebrities adopting Third World kids as fashion accessories for their &lt;strike&gt;kennels&lt;/strike&gt; households. 

You can imagine the phone conversation: 

&quot;Whaddya got there, Third World government official? Ah, gimme a baker&#039;s dozen. Assorted, of course. Yes, please, priority shipping, care of my agent. I need &#039;em by the time of my press conference.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>It is all a manifestation of extreme narcissism.</i></p>
<p>expat, precisely. Think Hollywood <strike>scum </strike> celebrities adopting Third World kids as fashion accessories for their <strike>kennels</strike> households. </p>
<p>You can imagine the phone conversation: </p>
<p>&#8220;Whaddya got there, Third World government official? Ah, gimme a baker&#8217;s dozen. Assorted, of course. Yes, please, priority shipping, care of my agent. I need &#8217;em by the time of my press conference.&#8221;</p>
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		By: Assistant Village Idiot		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/08/18/judge-walker-and-the-evidence/#comment-180186</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Assistant Village Idiot]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Aug 2010 12:35:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[neo - that&#039;s what happened even to Barry Goldwater in the latter stages of his career.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>neo &#8211; that&#8217;s what happened even to Barry Goldwater in the latter stages of his career.</p>
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